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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
This isn’t right, otherwise Burrow would be a pedestrian pro and he was looking like one of the more promising rookies before his injury. Burrows growth … is something I’ve never seen before — anywhere. The only more miraculous QB development I can think of is Kurt Warner.

SEC west is hard and it won’t get easier. I expect Orgeron to keep pulling these “crazy Ivan’s“.
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Bro, Burrow was one of the talented personnel that I was talking about. He was looking like a late rounder before Brady arrived.
 
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DTP said:
They may be serious about buying players but they're not serious about hiring head coaches. No head coach in modern history has wasted more first round talent than Les Miles did at LSU. They should be Bama but they're really just a good, not great program. Since their 2011 title (the only two loss champion in my lifetime) they have averaged 9.7 wins a year. That includes 2019 when they won 15 games. Ed O will be gone after next season unless he pulls another miracle and somehow wins the SEC.
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But how many programs not named Alabama, Clemson, & OSU have averaged more than 9.7 wins a year since 2011? Now Miles underachieved in proportion to the talent He had, but Orgeron, with the exception of a few games that you can say He should've won, has exceeded expectations for the most part...**** even this year they've exceeded expectations with all the attrition they had.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
He looked like a studious Malik Rosier before Brady … completing less than 60% of his passes (2894- 57.8%; 16/5). No one could’ve predicted he would become SUPER MAN (5671- 71.3%; 60/6).
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Now don't get me wrong, He showed flashes in 2018, but it was the TAMU game that year where you thought wow, this kid could be something if you put Him in a more wide open O.
 
Pretty sure LSUs defense was worse in just about every category compared to Miami..I’m just throwing that out there..also, I’m starting a go fund me for baker’s removal
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
He looked like a studious Malik Rosier before Brady … completing less than 60% of his passes (2894- 57.8%; 16/5). No one could’ve predicted he would become SUPER MAN (5671- 71.3%; 60/6).
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That boy was a top recruit..don’t compare that pedigree to a 2 star utility baseball recruit
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
We don’t have that kind of money to burn. Not even close. No chance Miami could burn money like LSU. It is one thing to justifiably criticize decision making, hiring, etc. it’s beyond unrealistic to hold up passed out drunk profligate spenders as beacons or examples. You should know that better than anyone. Miami is literally incapable of doing what LSU does monetarily.
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I agree with you in almost any other year.

Buuuuut...as of right now...the pursestrings are tight at LSU. They may get back to their profligate ways in the future, but maybe not this year.
 
RVACane said:
In military power terms, these big SEC schools are like the US, Russia, China, England... We’re never going to be that but we can be more like Israel - Small but smart, efficient and powerful. Instead we’re like Costa Rica on deer antler spray.
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Good analogy. Much easier said than done. For example, Costa Rica could never in a million years match Israel. But I get the analogy. Your responses deserve more time than I can give them right now.
 
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canesdogo said:
Take away Burrow, and Coach O would be looking for a job......Burrow saved his ***.
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See this is the mind frame I can’t understand, who cares! It equaled a national title and that’s all that ******* matters!! I don’t understand why some people can’t get that, he freaking won, end of story. Regardless of how he did it, he still did it!
 
RVACane said:
Of course. That’s not the argument here. All I said was that they’re serious about winning. Money is how they show it in their case. There are things we could have done to show that we are serious about winning having nothing to do with LSU type money.

We could have hired a qualified AD. We could have had a real coaching search. We could’ve never let Mork make Jorn the QB coRch. We could’ve said no way when he made Banda and Patke the DC’s right before retiring.

We don’t care like these other places do. We’ll never spend like them, and that’s fine - we’ll never win that way anyhow - but we can still be more competent in the things we control and we’re not.
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I couldn’t have said it better my self RVA. Paging @Go Canes!! please read above and see the difference.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
But how many programs not named Alabama, Clemson, & OSU have averaged more than 9.7 wins a year since 2011? Now Miles underachieved in proportion to the talent He had, but Orgeron, with the exception of a few games that you can say He should've won, has exceeded expectations for the most part...**** even this year they've exceeded expectations with all the attrition they had.
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They’ve been arguably the most talented team not named Alabama the last decade. Given the talent, they’ve underachieved. The 15 win season bumps that average up quite a bit. Miles badly underachieved and got fired. Orgeron has been slightly better and the 2019 season bought him some leeway but they should be in the playoffs every year given the players they have. It’s not that they’re bad. They just should be a lot better given their players
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Yes and no. But I just don’t want to go into it right now
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For real? Go into it, what’s there to hide because I can’t see a single thing incorrect about @RVACane post. He hit all the nails on the head and I’d genuinely like to hear what you disagree with? Because I can’t pick on thing out of his post that isn’t true based on the last 16 plus years of incompetence out of the Hecht.
 
NicKane said:
I couldn’t have said it better my self RVA. Paging @Go Canes!! please read above and see the difference.
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I’m actually hoping that he can put down his 7-11 Slurpee and agree that it’s a reasonable goal and it should be the expectation. Not competing $ for $ with Alabama and LSU but being competent with what we have to work with.
 
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DTP said:
They’ve been arguably the most talented team not named Alabama the last decade. Given the talent, they’ve underachieved. The 15 win season bumps that average up quite a bit. Miles badly underachieved and got fired. Orgeron has been slightly better and the 2019 season bought him some leeway but they should be in the playoffs every year given the players they have. It’s not that they’re bad. They just should be a lot better given their players
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They have won two national titles in that time fram and played for another! How in the **** is that underachieving? Do you know hard it is to win a National title? You should as a Canes fan seeing our predicament during that same time frame! And the only reason they don’t have 3national titles in that time frame is because they had to play the greatest coach to ever coach the game twice in one season, people seem to forget they beat that same alabama squad in bama earlier in the year. You know how ******* hard it is to beat the same team twice in year especially when the teams are fairly evenly matched? Ask notre dame how hard it was this past weekend? Ask FSU how hard it was in the 1996 national title game? Smh
 
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NicKane said:
For real? Go into it, what’s there to hide because I can’t see a single thing incorrect about @RVACane post. He hit all the nails on the head and I’d genuinely like to hear what you disagree with? Because I can’t pick on thing out of his post that isn’t true based on the last 16 plus years of incompetence out of the Hecht.
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I’m not even trying to argue championships and money and Bama level shît. I’m looking at UAB, Appy State and Cincy and asking why can’t we do that in the CoRstal with what we have. Like when Boise State was a hot team too.

These places aren’t flush with cash. They’re just making good hiring decisions and then the people they hire are running competent departments and programs. Doing what they do gets us to the ACCCG every year. From there we look to scale up.
 
NicKane said:
They have won two national titles in that time fram and played for another! How in the **** is that underachieving? Do you know hard it is to win a National title? You should as a Canes fan seeing our predicament during that same time frame! And the only reason they don’t have 3national titles in that time frame is because they had to play the greatest coach to ever coach the game twice in one season, people seem to forget they beat that same alabama squad in bama earlier in the year. You know how ******* hard it is to beat the same team twice in year especially when the teams a fairly evenly matched? Ask notre dame how hard it was this past weekend? Ask FSU how hard it was in the 1996 national title game? Smh
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Do you think LSU fans are happy right now with their coaches? Are they OK with being 5-5? Do they feel that the talent they consistently get is playing up to their standards? They have vastly underachieved relative to their talent. They should, given the average talent on hand be the second best program in the nation. Maybe you could argue third behind Bama and OSU. But they’re not.

Larry Coker averaged 10 wins a season at Miami back when they only played 11 game seasons and didn’t have conference championship games to add to their win totals. He won a national championship and played for another. Given the talent on hand, I would say he underachieved.
 
NicKane said:
See this is the mind frame I can’t understand, who cares! It equaled a national title and that’s all that ******* matters!! I don’t understand why some people can’t get that, he freaking won, end of story. Regardless of how he did it, he still did it!
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It's a relevant point when you realize that LSU got very lucky with a Portal QB for 2 years, and that, by comparison, all the money they've spent on other things has not really been the best use of money (except for Joe Brady for 1 year).

I respect the championship year. But without Brady and Burrow, it might prove to be unsustainable.
 
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