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Liberty City El said:
Weren't there 3 players that got suspended for the national championship game for Clemson & Bama for failing tests?

I know Jimmy Smith for my Ravens got a 4 game suspension for banned substances last season, so did Julian Eddelman, so did Lane Johnson for the Eagles. I remember Laron Landry used to get suspended multiple times for roids lol. In fact there's been quite a few guys over the years that have been suspended for banned substances.

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Yes both Clemson and Bama had 3 each. And that's despite each to being fully aware they were going to have players randomly tested by the NCAA before the game.

**** Dabo even admitted it was the S&C program that "inadvertantely" provided the PEDs.

So I'm not really sure what's controversial about the OP. I'm dubious about the specific roids in the OP (since I think these programs are a lot more sophisticated) but it seems like just a reality that this type of cheating is taking place
 
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Liberty City El said:
Weren't there 3 players that got suspended for the national championship game for Clemson & Bama for failing tests?

I know Jimmy Smith for my Ravens got a 4 game suspension for banned substances last season, so did Julian Eddelman, so did Lane Johnson for the Eagles. I remember Laron Landry used to get suspended multiple times for roids lol. In fact there's been quite a few guys over the years that have been suspended for banned substances.

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But see, they’re only catching the guys that are using. Nobody else uses.

Because it never works like this: only a small percentage of people get caught.

They catch virtually hundred percent of the people that are using. Derp.

Right?
 
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Coach Macho said:
In general.
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Yeah, I couldn’t imagine an entire team getting away with it. No way it stays quiet. I’ve heard some kids blame their school for not making it to league. Lol if anyone thinks they wouldn’t snitch if it meant money for a news story. I’ve heard first hand stories of getting money from a booster, how they would pass exams in some programs, etc...never anything about PEDs. Most of these dudes wouldn’t touch creatine because they’re misinformed thinking they’re going to pull a hamstring or they call it roids.


These “twitchy” kids are naturally strong and put on muscle, a lot easier than most people. I coached a rb that went to Ohio st who was benching 315 at 15 years old, while weighing 165 lbs. That was with 1 year of lifting and the programming at his school wasn’t something that would gain praise from any experienced lifter. He ran the fastest 40 in FL at all of the state combines before his senior year.
 
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I don’t know about the last couple of years.

But I know there was a shlt ton of HGH and anabolic steroids being sold to NFL players.

How do I know this? I’m not going to give specifics of where, who and when, but there are several operators that run “rejuvenation centers“ - I knew one. And they had quite the lengthy “NFL” list. I put NFL in quotes because they usually sold to relatives. Or friends. Rarely directly to the player. Brothers, etc. Not all of them obviously and this was just one center, one of many, but they sold about 20 NFL players. One non-national, regional center.

LOL - NFL players don’t dope.

Jesus..I’ve heard it all now.
 
Coach Macho said:
I have 2 kids in the NFL. (neither of which took PED's)
Kids scattered all throughout D1 college football.

Never once have I heard anything about juicing.

I don't have any kids at Bama or Clemson, but I coach kids who have offers from Bama and/or Clemson. And guess what, THEY'RE FREAK ATHLETES. They're rare specimens of human beings.

It's safe to say when you take a kid who's that kind of athlete and put him in an elite S&C program (+ nutrition that he's never had) he's going to grow into an even bigger, faster and stronger freak...NATURALLY.

I had a DT leave high school benching 375, squatting 605 and dead-lifting 605. Never touched a drug in his life. That's a SPECIAL teenager. Now WTF do you think his strength numbers would be after 3/4 years of a college S&C program. Pretty "juice ball" like I'd say.
Had a DT last year who was 6'3" 267lbs with pecs and abs. And could run! This is the type of kid that teams like Clemson recruits. He'll go to college and turn into a 290lb freak who people will think is juiced up.
The **** kid at STA, Sapp. He's a fvckin' 10th grader who is already built like a brick ****house. He's going to go to UF/Bama/Clemson/wherever and end up looking/performing like a "juiced up" athlete. BUT HE'S BEEN LIKE THIS NATURALLY SINCE 9TH GRADE!
I had a Linebacker who signed with Michigan State who was 6'1" 220lb chiseled, power cleaned 335, benched 335 and ran a legit 4.5 forty. Had he not flunked out this kid would've ended up being a 240lb animal with retarded strength numbers and a 4.5-4.6 forty.
Fabian Moreau ran a 4.38 in high school at 185lbs and could dunk a basketball in a pair of slides.
Jon Feliciano could power clean 335 and was a starter on the basketball and football team.
My Junior Strong Safety just squatted 405 x 10 last week.

Maybe some of yall have never actually known any legit D1 athletes.
These kids COME INTO 9TH GRADE already 100 steps ahead of their peers. ****, ahead of most human beings period. I got teenage football players who lift more than the grown men at the gyms I go to.

These type of kids don't need juice.
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Not to sound like a d!ck, but the only people that I ever see accuse football players of using PEDs are guys who are (genetically) average and can't seem to fathom how his fellow man could be so big/strong/athletic without drugs.

I work/coach with a ton of former college football players. We never talk about it.
I coach a ton of kids who play/played D1 ball. They never talk about.

But the guy at LA Fitness who walks around with his water jug, takes every supplement known to man and has a subscription to BodyBuilding.com (yet can't get his bench over 350 despite going to the gym 6 times a day) knows with conviction that all football players are on roids! They just have to be!
 
Coach Macho said:
Not to sound like a d!ck, but the only people that I ever see accuse football players of using PEDs are guys who are (genetically) average and can't seem to fathom how his fellow man could be so big/strong/athletic without drugs.

I work/coach with a ton of former college football players. We never talk about it.
I coach a ton of kids who play/played D1 ball. They never talk about.

But the guy at LA Fitness who walks around with his water jug, takes every supplement known to man and has a subscription to BodyBuilding.com (yet can't get his bench over 350 despite going to the gym 6 times a day) knows with conviction that all football players are on roids! They just have to be!
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My sentiments to this.
I played with the #1 or #2 cb in the nation when i was in high school...and dude was benching 300 for reps. Couple of our guys like Allen Bailey and Tavares Gooden were built like freaks in high school.

Sapp at STA was built like that in Optomist.
You recruit big guys guess what they become in s&c...got**** Joe Jack looked like Robo Cop coming in here at DE...and guess what dude is a svelt 275 at the combbine right now. You recruit guys like that...
 
Coach Macho said:
I knew this would be someone's rebuttal.

My point is...

What these guys TURN INTO while at Bama/Clemson/etc...is on par with what their NATURAL GROWTH would be.
These guys aren't going to these programs for 3/4 years and turning into totally different athletes.
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Anabolics and HGH enhances an athlete past genetic limitations, no matter how freakish. Phil Heath is a genetic freak of a bodybuilder butnhe would be nowhere near his current size without PEDs.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Not to sound like a d!ck, but the only people that I ever see accuse football players of using PEDs are guys who are (genetically) average and can't seem to fathom how his fellow man could be so big/strong/athletic without drugs.

I work/coach with a ton of former college football players. We never talk about it.
I coach a ton of kids who play/played D1 ball. They never talk about.

But the guy at LA Fitness who walks around with his water jug, takes every supplement known to man and has a subscription to BodyBuilding.com (yet can't get his bench over 350 despite going to the gym 6 times a day) knows with conviction that all football players are on roids! They just have to be!
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Also not trying to sound like a ****, but I guess your experience and mine are just different. I worked with D1 and D2 athletes for 6 yrs before rejoining the AF on special assignment where I work with special forces personnel. PED use is def alive and well in the college game. I know this for a fact. It’s also used for our military. NOT everyone. But u can bet Uncle Sam wants the good guys the biggest fastest strongest and most focused on the battlefield.

Yes Bama recruits freak athletes from the gate but they encourage their players to get any edge. The Deer Antler story a few years back was just the tip of the iceberg
 
CaniacOnTheDanceFloor said:
Also not trying to sound like a ****, but I guess your experience and mine are just different. I worked with D1 and D2 athletes for 6 yrs before rejoining the AF on special assignment where I work with special forces personnel. PED use is def alive and well in the college game. I know this for a fact. It’s also used for our military. NOT everyone. But u can bet Uncle Sam wants the good guys the biggest fastest strongest and most focused on the battlefield.

Yes Bama recruits freak athletes from the gate but they encourage their players to get any edge. The Deer Antler story a few years back was just the tip of the iceberg
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I'll consider what you're saying and continue to be on the look-out for it with my players. But in my 12 years of coaching I've never seen/heard it. I've got 2 kids in the league, about to be 3 pretty soon after Rashad Weaver gets drafted, and none of these kids ever touched it.
 
Coach Macho said:
I already shared my point of view on it. Scroll up. What more do you want?

I played college with guys who went to the NFL.
I coached kids who went to the NFL.
Never heard of PED's being a wide spread issue.
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That is why I said thank you for sharing and moved on. I down know as many NFL players as you do. I stated this in the past, but I do know a couple guys currently in the NFL and I am still very good friends with them. They told me PED use is rampant in the NFL. Both of them have used PEDs through their careers(but not in college).

Obviously, different sport, but I know a lot of the big boxing coaches in NYC and PED use is rampant in boxing as well. This I know for a fact. The only reason I bring it up is because boxing is very strict with their tests(more so than the NFL) yet guys are easily able to cheat the tests. The only guys that pop are the ones that skimp out and don't buy the "designer PEDs", mess something up in the process, or get very unlucky.

Also, living in NYC, I grew up with quite a few guys who have spent some time in the NBA. Everyone has told me that when players get injured they almost all hop on PEDs to improve and speed up the recovery process.



Now obviously this does not take anything away from the athletes. You give juice to pretty much anyone not in the NFL and they still wouldn't make the NFL.
 
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