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PEDs in Football

TOcane said:
Could this be why their players don't do as well once they get to the league where there is stricter rules for this stuff?
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The NFL guys are on tons of juice as well. The reason they might not do as well. Is because they are juicing up heavily in college and then when they get to the pros and everyone is juiced up they no longer have that advantage.
 
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Are players at Clemson and elsewhere doping? Absolutely yes! Are the real S&C coaches involved? Only the ones that want to be out of the game permanently and face legal action.
 
Just catching up. Clemson's players are on 'roids or they arent, but everyone is. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And theres an all natural "substance" that improves everything by 10%. And the same guy has a brain booster.

Did I miss anything?
 
gogeta4 said:
wanna know how clemson and bama players are so big and ripped...?

They recruit them BIG AND RIPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL....They arent recruiting Tecory Couch's of the world. (though i like him).

Also at the end of the day...check the combine results....those are usually the best of the best from these schools who have dedicated weeks or months for this event...some of these big SEC SEC SEC schools yall d*ckride have guys put up the most avg combine results.
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But that’s part of the point. The nfl tests. And has to, for liability reasons. So kids have to clean up for the nfl. Levels the playing field.

I’m old and don’t know how it works these days. But from what I think I used to know, the way it used to work was every school had a guy to see (not on staff), and most players (linemen, e.g.) were told to see the guy, and if they didn’t, well, their scholarship was only an annual agreement.
 
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NCAA doesnt even test for HGH. Not sure I believe widespread D-bol, Tren, Test use but I'm sure HGH and SARMs are prevelant at Bama, Clemson, etc.

You cant even deny SARMS anymore given that's what both those schools had guys test positivefor
 
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I have 2 kids in the NFL. (neither of which took PED's)
Kids scattered all throughout D1 college football.

Never once have I heard anything about juicing.

I don't have any kids at Bama or Clemson, but I coach kids who have offers from Bama and/or Clemson. And guess what, THEY'RE FREAK ATHLETES. They're rare specimens of human beings.

It's safe to say when you take a kid who's that kind of athlete and put him in an elite S&C program (+ nutrition that he's never had) he's going to grow into an even bigger, faster and stronger freak...NATURALLY.

I had a DT leave high school benching 375, squatting 605 and dead-lifting 605. Never touched a drug in his life. That's a SPECIAL teenager. Now WTF do you think his strength numbers would be after 3/4 years of a college S&C program. Pretty "juice ball" like I'd say.
Had a DT last year who was 6'3" 267lbs with pecs and abs. And could run! This is the type of kid that teams like Clemson recruits. He'll go to college and turn into a 290lb freak who people will think is juiced up.
The **** kid at STA, Sapp. He's a fvckin' 10th grader who is already built like a brick ****house. He's going to go to UF/Bama/Clemson/wherever and end up looking/performing like a "juiced up" athlete. BUT HE'S BEEN LIKE THIS NATURALLY SINCE 9TH GRADE!
I had a Linebacker who signed with Michigan State who was 6'1" 220lb chiseled, power cleaned 335, benched 335 and ran a legit 4.5 forty. Had he not flunked out this kid would've ended up being a 240lb animal with retarded strength numbers and a 4.5-4.6 forty.
Fabian Moreau ran a 4.38 in high school at 185lbs and could dunk a basketball in a pair of slides.
Jon Feliciano could power clean 335 and was a starter on the basketball and football team.
My Junior Strong Safety just squatted 405 x 10 last week.

Maybe some of yall have never actually known any legit D1 athletes.
These kids COME INTO 9TH GRADE already 100 steps ahead of their peers. ****, ahead of most human beings period. I got teenage football players who lift more than the grown men at the gyms I go to.

These type of kids don't need juice.
 
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Barboni said:
Sure looks like renfro’s body rejected everything except for maybe anavar. 8 years of juicing at Clemson and he looks like a wr from Belen. That’s a lot of juice. Not saying you’re lying, op. However, after being around a bunch of kids from coaching, it seems unlikely.

I coached kids that went to all the big programs and I’ve never heard of the strength staff recently (since I was coaching) giving out PEDs. ****, bama caught heat for giving some players deer antler extract, which you can pick up online or the vitamin shoppe for $50-$150. I’ve used it, and it doesn’t get you bigger or stronger. It’s not a prohoromone. Just helps with joint paint. Also, most of d1 kids that I coached wouldn’t even touch a protein shake in hs, much less creatine. They called it steroids lol.


I do know that at Ohio st their former strength coach was sponsored by a supplement company and would give them a stack of...protein, aminos, and I think creatine. That’s if they wanted to take it.


I do know a few players that have taken hgh/hgh peptides stacked with test. It was recommended by either a player that everyone knew was on it or they wanted to ball out for their last season in college. Never heard it recommended from
A coach. It’s a small amount of players who have taken it, relative to the total number that I’ve coached.
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Don’t buy it. It’s beyomd obvious that Bama juices.

And Clemson got busted before playoffs. You think that was a lone juicer?

It’s administered and tracked by the staff. We did the same thing in the 90s.
 
Coach Macho said:
I have 2 kids in the NFL. (neither of which took PED's)
Kids scattered all throughout D1 college football.

Never once have I heard anything about juicing.

I don't have any kids at Bama or Clemson, but I coach kids who have offers from Bama and/or Clemson. And guess what, THEY'RE FREAK ATHLETES. They're rare specimens of human beings.

It's safe to say when you take a kid who's that kind of athlete and put him in an elite S&C program (+ nutrition that he's never had) he's going to grow into an even bigger, faster and stronger freak...NATURALLY.

I had a DT leave high school benching 375, squatting 605 and dead-lifting 605. Never touched a drug in his life. That's a SPECIAL teenager. Now WTF do you think his strength numbers would be after 3/4 years of a college S&C program. Pretty "juice ball" like I'd say.
Had a DT last year who was 6'3" 267lbs with pecs and abs. And could run! This is the type of kid that teams like Clemson recruits. He'll go to college and turn into a 290lb freak who people will think is juiced up.
The **** kid at STA, Sapp. He's a fvckin' 10th grader who is already built like a brick ****house. He's going to go to UF/Bama/Clemson/wherever and end up looking/performing like a "juiced up" athlete. BUT HE'S BEEN LIKE THIS NATURALLY SINCE 9TH GRADE!
I had a Linebacker who signed with Michigan State who was 6'1" 220lb chiseled, power cleaned 335, benched 335 and ran a legit 4.5 forty. Had he not flunked out this kid would've ended up being a 240lb animal with retarded strength numbers and a 4.5-4.6 forty.
Fabian Moreau ran a 4.38 in high school at 185lbs and could dunk a basketball in a pair of slides.
Jon Feliciano could power clean 335 and was a starter on the basketball and football team.

Maybe some of yall have never actually known any legit D1 athletes.
These kids COME INTO 9TH GRADE already 100 steps ahead of their peers. ****, most human beings period. I got teenage football players who lift more than the grown men at the gyms I go to.

These type of kids don't need juice.
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Steriods help everyone.

A 5* athlete from UGA and a 5* athlete from Bama are both 100 steps ahead naturally. But everything else being equal, if one is juicing and the other isnt, the one on PEDs will have an athletic advantage.

Nobody is saying steroids alone can just make someone elite, or that you need them to be elite.
 
bacane said:
Don't doubt that kids individually do **** & may get advice from strength/conditioning types, but programs would be crazy to have in place a system-wide program. Stuff you're describing is out of the old East Germany playbook & would be detectable in the system for months.
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Huh. Seems to me that Lance armstrong and US Postal did this stuff for a decade without getting caught. I think you underestimate the desire to win.
 
TheRichtShow said:
Steriods help everyone.

A 5* athlete from UGA and a 5* athlete from Bama are both 100 steps ahead naturally. But everything else being equal, if one is juicing and the other isnt, the one on PEDs will have an athletic advantage.

Nobody is saying steroids alone can just make someone elite, or that you need them to be elite.
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I knew this would be someone's rebuttal.

My point is...

What these guys TURN INTO while at Bama/Clemson/etc...is on par with what their NATURAL GROWTH would be.
These guys aren't going to these programs for 3/4 years and turning into totally different athletes.
 
iLoveTDs said:
Don’t buy it. It’s beyomd obvious that Bama juices.

And Clemson got busted before playoffs. You think that was a lone juicer?

It’s administered and tracked by the staff. We did the same thing in the 90s.
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I can see players using injectable steroids with short esters compared to the long esters. That way, they’re in and out of your system rather quickly. I feel taking any orals would put you at a higher risk of testing positive.
 
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Weren't there 3 players that got suspended for the national championship game for Clemson & Bama for failing tests?

I know Jimmy Smith for my Ravens got a 4 game suspension for banned substances last season, so did Julian Eddelman, so did Lane Johnson for the Eagles. I remember Laron Landry used to get suspended multiple times for roids lol. In fact there's been quite a few guys over the years that have been suspended for banned substances.

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UMFarArcher said:
No, and I think you mean pyrroloquinoline quinone.

It's not on the market yet - a number of body builders, mountain bikers, - the endurance and strength guys - have been taking this stuff and their feedback is well beyond the 10%, but it's better to keep the numbers conservative. Former lifting champs, former top athletes, accustomed to measuring their performances. They say their absolute best - their absolute maximum - is increased at least by a factor of 10%. I'm using the mountain biker's numbers of at least 10%. One guy's a weightlifter - a former record holder - and he said he could reach his max once a week - and that was the best he could do - but with this - he can do that three times a week.

Any athlete - if he can extend his stamina by just 10%? That's major!

This is just natural formulations that strictly enhance the mitochondria to maximize efficiency.

The key to cellular performance - in all cells - is found in the mitochondria. Oh, and he's got another product just for the brain - students taking tests? They have reported unbelievable results. Clarity, concentration, recall, focus, everything. Again, to maximize cellular function without none-natural formulations that always come with side effects.

There's a product certification to ensure that no prohibited ingredients are in a product - and I think it costs like $30K - and that has to be done before they want to release it - just to prove its safe for athletes. Clean performance.
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You sound like a mona vie saleman.
 
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