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Paying Players (per BJ's latest piece)

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
A hundred dollar bill and a refurbished iPhone in a paper sack is not a “bag”, genius.

Not when the family one of the coveted DBs we wanted last cycle got 6 figures.

Your response shows you remain clueless.
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You sound like you have a lot of pent up homosexual aggression

They have support groups for that kind of stuff...maybe you should look into it

You know nothing
 
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RBhurricane87 said:
You sound like you have a lot of pent up homosexual aggression

They have therapy groups for that kind of stuff...maybe you should look into it

You know nothing
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You’re projecting your ***gutry.

I’m talking dollars and you’re talking your ghey boi fantasies.

Of course you make a hard left turn into ***gitry when there was no prior hint.

Go fix your prolapse, pole smoker.

Another clueless dolt that can’t handle facts and the truth.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
You’re projecting your ***gutry.

I’m talking dollars and you’re talking your ghey boi fantasies.

Of course you make a hard left turn into ***gitry when there was no prior hint.

Go fix your prolapse, pole smoker.

Another clueless dolt that can’t handle facts and the truth.
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Does your boyfriend know that you're a homophobic ****ant?

I'll shed a tear for you and your pathetic existence.
 
The problem, in my humble opinion, is a market inefficiency.

There is no effective pricing mechanism due to monopolistic behavior (schools) and unnecessary, antiquated regulatory regimes that protect and perpetuate the practice (NCAA) . This causes unnecessary individual hardship, expensive compliance measures, and most critically, robs individuals of capitalizing on their potentially highest value use of service that for many, has a incredibly small window of opportunity and for some, may in fact be there single highest value point in time for their projected lifetime earnings.

Ive said it before, for the good of American football, the NFL and other commercial interests need to step up and create a club system like European football.

I will take a Miami based club's chances - based on simple economic fundamentals - over an Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Indiana (Domers), etc. any day.
 
BBBBB said:
Thats why we are getting trooper on staff soon guys be patient
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It's amazing that UM alumni can't figure out the simple bag game - and instead idiots like Shapiro screws everything up.

We need Trooper - he knows the bag game - he could be our bag game architect. Two or more Alumni take on the financial burden necessary for one recruit - others take on the financial burden for a second top recruit - and so on.

One group doesn't know the other group - but you get just twenty committed groups - NO ONE will be fading our top players out from under us.

Kids will sometimes get a new car, momma gets her rent paid and an allowance - and momma being taken care of is critical as that's the motivation to stay their senior year - momma's gotten used to that money, and that security.

I know one Auburn player that got a brand new Corvette - and his family came from money -

Used to, guys were given "summer jobs," but the NCAA took that away - but look the other way when it comes to major teams behind the scenes recruiting efforts.

You want to compete - compete. Compete smart, compete completely.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
Still don’t get it, do you?

WE DON’T DROP BAGS.

Hundred dollar handshakes from boosters and fans, gifts here and there of small electronics, phones, and the like. Sure, quite likely.

But us compete at a Bama or UGA level, LOL - no. It ain’t happening. For the various reasons already discussed bysome of the smarter posters in this thread.

That’s just the way it is.

If you don’t get it, you don’t understand the financial picture of college football, and where Miami will typically sit in the pecking order of revenue and overall worth. Additionally, we have the absolute lowest number of interested wealthy boosters of any major P5 program - that’s just a fact.
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Sorry long.....Everything you're saying is true. Lived in Alabama from 2005 to 2012 during Saban's early years. Every Alabama fan knows their "duty" with regard to the $50 and $100 handshakes players receive after games and as they filter through the community during the week.... One thing I'd like to say with respect to players going to Alabama, players come there from all over the country not just from South Florida.... To your face everyone is nice to you in Alabama regardless of race, creed and anything else... especially if you're a churchgoer... seriously. Not to make Alabama or the University of Alabama seem like the greatest thing since sliced bread, but the environment definitely is enticing to an 18 year old African American student athlete and other student-athletes. For example, on any given day U of Alabama probably has upwards of 3,000 African Americans on their campus counting students, staff, Administration, Etc. Versus say University of Miami which may have upwards of 500. Players coming from South Florida and other types of environments very rarely experience that type of culture and environment where everything they see, everywhere they go, everyone they meet, it's all about love that feels genuine, or at least very well practiced and 100% Alabama. It's hard not to fall in love with that environment when you are an 18 year old.... Besides the winning.
 
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Crazy how all the Bama players push Camaros and Saban owns several Chevy dealerships. It’s laughable how obvious it is and we need to get creative with it as well.
 
Hard numbers prove that by far the biggest ROI you get in college football is paying recruits. The reality is that for the cost of getting a major 5 star kid on your team probably pays for itself 3X/4X easily.

Assume you have $1.5M annually to spend on illicit recruiting activity. You pay 200k/300k to get 4 or 5 highly ranked kids, you spend the rest on the mid tier 4 star guys. Do this for a few years and your team is top to bottom 4/5 star kids. This has been proven statistically to significantly increase your chances of success. So for the price of a good coordinator you have stocked your roster. This in turn probably generates $20M to $30M in incremental revenue through ticket sales, sponsorship, marketing, and philanthropy. If this was a true free market these kids could demand million dollar contracts like futures contracts in soccer, but it's not and they are essentially "free" labor.

Everyone in the SEC has figured this out. Back in the 90's and before it was about school pride, so the dollar figures aren't what they are now. it's a business now for these schools. They turn a blind eye to what their alumni/boosters are doing because it is generating millions. The NCAA is completely complicit btw. Their only goal is to catch the most blatant cheaters to keep appearances up.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
Hear what you're saying but it's a mistake to conflate the two things. Most people look at IRS issues as NCAA issues, and they're completely different. For example, you sell a $500K house from a booster to a recruit's uncle. Might not necessarily be an NCAA violation (just using as an example, I don't know), bu the IRS sure would want some info on that.

On the flipside, a prominent player gets a meal at Fogo de Chao. Probably worth around $150. Does the IRS care? Not one bit. But the NCAA (if it's Miami) wants to shut down the program.
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I am pretty sure it would be an NCAA violation for a booster of a school to directly or indirectly provide a benefit to a recruit or his family. Buying a house far above value is a clever way to obfuscate what is going on, but it doesn’t necessarily cleanse it.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
To me it's not so much "sketchy" as the way things are. It's not terribly far from pork-barrel spending or hiring a litany of coaches as "analysts" getting paid $1.5 million a year.

Philip Frost is a huge trustee. His optometry practice/patents/products got so big he created his own investment bank, Ladenburg Thalmann. He knows what to do.

I used to work (indirectly) for David Epstein. He was a part owner of the Panthers. He knows what to do.

Stuart Miller, Jorge Perez, Paul DiMare and Leonard Abess know what to do.

But they also can't have their fingerprints anywhere near it, for good reason.

There can be a better mousetrap.
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Oh for sure. I am not saying the practice of paying players is sketchy. I was more so saying some of our BOTs who are experts at gaming the system in the real world would be PROS at figuring out ways to pay the players and not put up any red flags.
 
Most fans with knowledge of the game know the $EC, Clemson, Texas ... drop bags. The NCAA does not care about those programs dropping bags. UM is held to a totally different standard. One that will cost you scholarships
 
Let me start this off by saying when you blow you're recruiting wad on kids in Gator country, or elsewhere, at the expense of local talent, you missed out because of stupidity, not because you weren't dropping bags.

When you're scrambling down the stretch to steal recruits from the likes of Appalachian State, the difference has nothing to do with the fact you weren't paying recruits either. That too has to do with you being a ******* moron.

When you're playing a substandard and boring brand of football that puts people in the stands to sleep, what do you think the recruits in the stands think? "Okay, all these people must be narcoleptic?"

Much of recruiting is using your strategic advantage.

For certain schools, that means utilizing a large and extremely well-funded booster network to funnel cash into the pockets of recruits, or their handlers.

Now, for certain schools which shall remain nameless, that's not the only reason they're winning recruiting battles, but it definitely helps them secure their must have players who are willing to play that game.

Unfortunately, while it's a nice academic exercise to mentally ********** to this image of Tony Montana in his turnover chain flying around South Florida throwing suitcases in front of houses, that's not realistic for the U.

For starters, we are one of the most watched and monitored programs there is. It will not take long before somebody around one of these recruits rolls over on us for their own payday from one of our competitors.

I went to the Orange bowl game. There were tons of local people there all decked out in their Alabama gear. They have replaced us in this area as the program everyone aspires to get in with in some fashion. They'll burn our asses in a second.

Secondly, we don't have the funds or the localized booster base to even attempt this, much less win at it.

While it's true that we're not going to win certain battles where hands are out, the bigger reason we've been ******** up is that we've blown our strategic advantage.

That advantage is the depth of talent in the pool down here is sufficiently deep. There's plenty of kids who aren't getting paid to go elsewhere who we should be cultivating a relationship with in recruiting from the onset instead of ******** around with pipe dream recruits with a very low probability of success.

I'm not saying you don't think big and go after the best players, but too often all we do is go after plan A and ignore plan B and C. The result is you settle for plan D. Falling from plan A to plan D is not because you're not paying recruits.
 
Walsh5 said:
It's absolutely nuts what these SEC teams and Clemson are able to get away with. Honestly, what're they doing that everyone else isn't? **** even Ohio State got busted for free tattoos.
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Mark Emmert still in charge of NCAA? We should do something to expose that crooked $EC sucking clown. Sick of him and his cracker loving ways!
 
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Walsh5 said:
https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/barry-jackson/article223482355.html

"Privately, UM people from the past two regimes said they can’t get a few of the top players who are inclined to take illegal payments in the corrupt world of college athletics."

I say we start paying guys because it's the only way you can compete. And by paying, I mean through creative means, not outsourcing it to loose cannons like Nevin Shapiro. That's why we got caught.

Clemson straight up pays their players on recruiting visits (they joke about it to my buddy who coaches at Michigan when they come on visits). Clemson and Georgia will also pay those expensive insurance policies (which I think is a reason why they got guys to stay). At Texas, every single starter gets 350 in cash from the boosters after every game. At Georgia, they'll go into a recruit's neighborhood and buy their home for double the sale prices of homes in the same neighborhood (kind of genius if you ask me). And of course Alabama will move your whole family out to Tuscaloosa and give them six figure no show jobs like the mob does in NYC.

Another side note on Texas... they make so much effing money that every year they have around 50 million dollars in cash just sitting there every year after their operating expenses are paid. I know this because my brother's hedge fund specifically manages the UT athletic cash endowment.

Unfortunately, that's the reality of today's game... Clemson went from 7-6 to a powerhouse overnight because of paying players.
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Maybe we should all start a “go fund me” campaign and when we have about $2 million higher a great PI firm to investigate the SEC and Mark Emeritt at the NCAA. Nothing would please me more than the impact those two bull**** organizations.
 
Thommy30w said:
I am more worried about paying coaches than I am paying players. In my opinion this is what has set Miami back - not enough money to attract top flight assistants.
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Mark Richt was making 4 mill and that doesn’t include any of the imenities this schools provides.

Thomas brown and Dugans were 850,000.

We have the ****** money to pay top dollar.

Do you know much more we will have when the acc network kicks in? We are fine.

The main concern is: are we willing to spend it? Pretty soon you will see lower tier schools in our conference go out and Pay high dollar.

Hopefully Manny had this conversation that good assistants cost big bucks.

We need to start winning big bowl games though and recoup that money
 
M3N said:
Mark Richt was making 4 mill and that doesn’t include any of the imenities this schools provides.

Thomas brown and Dugans were 850,000.

We have the ****** money to pay top dollar.

Do you know much more we will have when the acc network kicks in? We are fine.

The main concern is: are we willing to spend it? Pretty soon you will see lower tier schools in our conference go out and Pay high dollar.

Hopefully Manny had this conversation that good assistants cost big bucks.

We need to start winning big bowl games though and recoup that money
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Having the money or willing to spend its the same point. 4 million a year is not top money for a coach. Purdue is paying Brohm 6 million a year.
 
LPK2006 said:
My guess is that we do have rogue boosters dropping bags, but that it's nowhere near competitive with the Alabagas and Clemsons. I bet it happens, but in a small-time, inconsequential manner. If we are doing it, I'm sure it's small potatoes. I don't see Miller, Soffer, or Frost dropping bags for players.
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This makes sense. And it's appropriate to differentiate boosters from Trustees here. Seriously doubt Trustees are the ones dropping bags anywhere.
 
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