Patke as STC

I'm at a little bit of a loss about ST. There was no significant yds against the kick off team. A muffled punt on punt return team (are you really blaming the team for that). And no significant yards on the punt coverage team. And a missed field goal (again are you blaming the FG team too)
 
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I said all off season Patke needs help as a STC coach an Manny should have hired this guy as an ST Analyst. Now he is Dir of Recruiting at La Tech.



2018 Utah St Bio
Jason Shumaker is in his first season with Utah State’s football program as the Aggies’ special teams analyst.

Shumaker comes to Utah State after spending the previous five seasons at Idaho, where he served as the Vandals’ running backs coach, special teams coordinator and recruiting coordinator.

In 2015, running back Elijhaa Penny, who is entering his second season in the NFL with the Arizona Cardinals, became the first Vandal since 2007 to rush for 1,000 yards.

Idaho’s special teams also excelled under Shumaker’s watch as the Vandals had a unit in the top-five of the Football Bowl Subdivision (FBS) during the 2014, 2015 and 2016 campaigns. All-American punter Austin Rehkow led the effort, as he became Idaho’s first four-time first-team all-conference choice.

Shumaker also coached Cade Coffey at Idaho. Coffey was tabbed a USA Today Freshman All-American after finishing ninth in the country in punting in 2017.

Blocking punts became a trademark of Shumaker’s special teams as the Vandals were third in the FBS in that category in 2014 and were second in 2016.

Shumaker joined the staff at Idaho after serving one year as Arkansas’ Director of High School Relations. Prior to joining the Razorbacks’ staff, he spent seven years at small colleges ranging from Eastern New Mexico to Midland University.

Shumaker was hired as the head coach of Dana College in December of 2009 and served in that role until the school closed in June of 2010.

Prior to his time at Dana, he was at the University of Saint Mary at Leavenworth, Kan., for three seasons and was tabbed the 2008 KCAC Assistant Coach of the Year.

Shumaker went to USM from Eastern New Mexico, where he coached three All-Lone Star Conference players. Prior to his time at ENMU, he was a teacher and a coach at Rowlett, Texas.

Shumaker was born in Salina, Kan., and went to high school in Grand Prairie, Texas. From there, he attended Kansas, where he played fullback for the Jayhawks. He was a five-time Jayhawk Scholar and was on the Big XII Commissioner’s Honor Roll five times. Shumaker graduated from Kansas in 2003 with a degree in education and earned a master’s degree in sports administration from Eastern New Mexico University in 2007.

He is married to the former Kate Klepper. They have two children – a son, Davis (6), and a daughter, Elliette (5)
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Go hire the greatest special teams coach ever, but Thomas' muff and Baxa's miss are on them. Hard to blame coaching. Also, ST coach should get credit for what should have been a successful fake field goal. Is he to blame for Mallory's holding call, which was minimal impact on the play and also a borderline call?
 
Go hire the greatest special teams coach ever, but Thomas' muff and Baxa's miss are on them. Hard to blame coaching. Also, ST coach should get credit for what should have been a successful fake field goal. Is he to blame for Mallory's holding call, which was minimal impact on the play and also a borderline call?
You can give him credit for the fake FG but then he deserves blame for giving up a first down on UFag's fake punt. It works both ways.
 
I'm at a little bit of a loss about ST. There was no significant yds against the kick off team. A muffled punt on punt return team (are you really blaming the team for that). And no significant yards on the punt coverage team. And a missed field goal (again are you blaming the FG team too)

When did you start watching Miami?

Watch the special teams of the Butch squads. Watch how every return team was a threat to house one at any time. Watch how all the coverage teams were dominant. Watch how all the specialists were elite. Watch how we were able to pressure kicks.

UM has a long legacy of strong special teams play. It used to literally win games for us(West Virginia, Lousiville)

I remember watching the first Bowl Game against Alabama when we beat the Alabama team with Siran Stacey at tailback. I remember the announcers saying that we had allowed -1 return yards ALL SEASON or something ridiculous like that.

I remember Special teams demons like Tremain Mack.

We've lost our legacy of strong special teams play and it correlates with the downturn of this program.
 
DeViN HeStEr

Devin Hester was relegated to special teams and bounced back and forth between wide receiver, as well as defensive back—while never thriving outside of special teams in NFL—because the kid could never understand the playbooks.

What Hester had couldn't be taught—and what could be taught, he couldn't learn.

Enough with our fan base thinking that past greats—especially ones with zero coaching experience—should come back to UM in some coaching fashion. Laughable premise.
 
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UM has a long legacy of strong special teams play. It used to literally win games for us(West Virginia, Lousiville)

... also loved how Butch wanted all those special teams guy running track. Santana Moss had to as he was on a track scholarship, but it opened the door and guys like Daryl Jones, Roscoe Parrish, Devin Hester, etc. to follow suit.

Would love to see more current Canes' football special team / wide outs / defensive backs gravitating towards track in the off-season.
 
On the muffed punt jt4 shouldn’t have been the returner. These was no chance of a return so put your most sure handed receiver back there. Probably Osborne.
 
Go hire the greatest special teams coach ever, but Thomas' muff and Baxa's miss are on them. Hard to blame coaching. Also, ST coach should get credit for what should have been a successful fake field goal. Is he to blame for Mallory's holding call, which was minimal impact on the play and also a borderline call?

They dont rep it enough in practice prolly. Reporters were saying hedley was outside kicking by himself during practice
 
Hester couldn’t grasp the offensive playbook, yet you think he can coordinate special teams? Because he was uber fast?

I think he was joking.

Anyway, on punts, I’m not convinced on the wide splits. Alf tried that and it did not work well. Maybe there’s some sort of analytics behind it
 
Watch the special teams of the Butch squads. Watch how every return team was a threat to house one at any time. Watch how all the coverage teams were dominant. Watch how all the specialists were elite.

I get what you’re saying. But didn’t Andy Crosland play for Butch?
 
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What Manny should do....Is call the best STs & DB coach in UM History (Chuck Pagano)....
Chuck would be more than happy to help out...Nobody knows STs and DBs better...both in CFB & the NFL....Proof is in the pudding...ask @dsddcane if Chuck isn't the one to call...
 
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Go hire the greatest special teams coach ever, but Thomas' muff and Baxa's miss are on them. Hard to blame coaching. Also, ST coach should get credit for what should have been a successful fake field goal. Is he to blame for Mallory's holding call, which was minimal impact on the play and also a borderline call?
Our STs have been Horrid for 10+ yrs, both offensively & defensively...
 
Taking a look around some elite teams it seems like they put an emphasis on their special teams coordinator.

Urban Meyer coached specials himself.
Saban hired Jeff Banks, a dedicated STC with experience at Texas A&M, Virginia, UTEP etc dating back to the 90s.
Georgia's dedicated STC has experience as the head guy at Auburn for four years.
LSU's has STC experience with the Saints and three prior college stints dating back decades (ECU, UNLV, Illinois)
Clemson's STC/TE has experience in ST in the 90s with Alabama, and had recent experience as the STC in Duke and Maryland before being hired.

I think Hartley proved that you can't stick anyone at STC, and if they don't know what they're doing it could be disastrous.

A guy like Saban using a coaching spot for a dedicated special teams guy proves to me a technical/experienced ST coach can make a worthwhile difference.

Does Patke have any experience at all in specials? What evidence did Manny really have to conclude that he can turn things around with Patke?

Friendship hire
 
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