Patke as STC

He assisted a lot on special teams in the best so it's not completely new to him. He works his *** off and the players respect him a lot so I think he can get the job done on specials. And for those who think he's a jag, I'll put money down that he becomes a P5 DC within the next 10 years.

Great post!
So easy yet so silly for anyone to prematurely judge by simply saying .....show me what he has done at this position while knowing the guy hasn’t formally coached that position yet.
I briefly met him awhile ago but he seemed like a good guy with just a nice way about him.
 
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That's a bit premature IMO. He was with Diaz at Miss St / La Tech.. and coaches like to work with guys they are familiar with. Nothing new. Could we do better? Most likely. Did we feel the same way with Banda? Absolutely. Give it a year.

I'm more on this side of the fence on Patke. I've never met or had a conversation with the guy, but one thing we definitely know about Manny at this point is that he is very intelligent. If he is high on Patke, it is likely because he is also very intelligent and works his *** off.

We absolutely need to be elite as far as game planning, discipline, and having players that understand their roles and goals for every single play. This goes for every phase of the game. Obviously, Richt did not place a proper emphasis on special teams while he was here, the results speak for themselves.

There are many ways to get the job done. Time will tell if Manny has the right answers, but let's see him put a product on the field at least once before we judge.
 
Patke would’ve a grad assistant anywhere else. But here he manages to be a LB coach and have special team duties. Only at TNM.

Untrue. He was co-DC at a power 5 program before Manny made him a LB and ST coach.
 
You’re replying to one of our biggest clown posters who vomits up uninformed opinions and then skips off.

Fair enough. Honestly was just trying to trigger him.

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Hopefully we improve our kick off coverage and return blocking drastically this season. Punting improvements goes without saying
 
Taking a look around some elite teams it seems like they put an emphasis on their special teams coordinator.

Urban Meyer coached specials himself.
Saban hired Jeff Banks, a dedicated STC with experience at Texas A&M, Virginia, UTEP etc dating back to the 90s.
Georgia's dedicated STC has experience as the head guy at Auburn for four years.
LSU's has STC experience with the Saints and three prior college stints dating back decades (ECU, UNLV, Illinois)
Clemson's STC/TE has experience in ST in the 90s with Alabama, and had recent experience as the STC in Duke and Maryland before being hired.

I think Hartley proved that you can't stick anyone at STC, and if they don't know what they're doing it could be disastrous.

A guy like Saban using a coaching spot for a dedicated special teams guy proves to me a technical/experienced ST coach can make a worthwhile difference.

Does Patke have any experience at all in specials? What evidence did Manny really have to conclude that he can turn things around with Patke?

this remains a major concern. Special team problems this game.

1. We weren't ready for the fake punt. Stop it and we have the ball at the 30 after scoring a field goal and stopping Florida on a three and out. Could have gone up 10-0. Big problem.

2. Florida got real close to Hedley once or twice.

3. We had at least one delay of game on the punt team.

4. Baxa missed a costly short field goal.

5. JT4 fumbled an easy fair catch.

to put it milly, special teams lost the game.
 
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this remains a major concern. Special team problems this game.

1. We weren't ready for the fake punt. Stop it and we have the ball at the 30 after scoring a field goal and stopping Florida on a three and out. Could have gone up 10-0. Big problem.

2. Florida got real close to Hedley once or twice.

3. We had at least one delay of game on the punt team.

4. Baxa missed a costly short field goal.

5. JT4 fumbled an easy fair catch.

to put it milly, special teams lost the game.

Needs to be cleaned up for sure. Still, I'd take these type of first game mistakes instead of having fundamental issues with kick/punt coverage and return teams, and a punter that, well... you know.
 
From what people in the know have reported, Patke is one of the more knowledgeable coaches on the staff as far as X’s and O’s are concerned. Hopefully that translates to our special teams play, but no matter what...we can’t get any worse than last year.
There are significant issues on special teams. UF's punter ran untouched for about 7-8 yards (if not more) before anyone even touched him. Granted it was extremely unlikely that they would run a fake deep in their own territory but there should always be players tasked with stopping a fake punt (and positioned appropriately to do so). You simply can't let a punter run free for almost ten yards untouched. That is brutal from an X's and O's standpoint.

Our special teams aren't even close to what they need to be. TNM very much needs to get back to being the old, elite Miami where we don't accept mediocrity. In the past, our special teams were low key ELITE in every phase:

1) We always had 1-2 guys who were great at blocking punts. Remember guys like Bubba McDowell, Ed Reed, Tre Mack & many others? When was the last time we had a blocked punt against a quality opponent? Was it a decade ago? Could Rousseau be our man (with his height)?

2) Our KR & PR were devastatingly good & could turn the tide of the game on one play. Hester, Buchanan, Kevin Williams & many others. JT has potential (he's definitely shown flashes) but we want opponents to hold their breath every time our returners receive the ball.

3) Our kick coverage teams were suffocating. Guys like Jesse Armstead & the late great Sean Taylor took heads off in coverage.

4) Our PK were incredibly reliable (Huerta, Sievers & many others) and were typically clutch in the biggest moments. Miami Hurricanes refused to lose. It was a mindset that led to incredible comebacks (like down 14 against a great Michigan team in Ann Arbor). You could feel the surge in the 4th quarter and the unrelenting determination to win. That's how we won 58 straight games at home (including over many top-ranked teams). Refusing to lose. I remember when some students would cry over a loss -- that's how rare they were. Manny is trying to bring that mindset back. Our PK were a part of that. They were clutch in the biggest moments.

5) Our punters were among the best in the nation (Kalal, Feagles Sr) and had tremendous hang time on their punts which allowed our coverage units to swarm the return man. They were incredibly consistent as well.

We suffocated opponents in every phase of the game and in every aspect of special teams play. There was no let up in any aspect. We poured it on. We need to get back to that. What we saw at UF in the special teams area wasn't even close:

  • JT4 shouldn't have even fielded the muffed punt inside the 10. Unless that was a mental blunder by Jeff, that is coaching.
  • The UF punter shouldn't have run untouched for almost ten yards. There should have been players positioned properly to prevent that. That is coaching.
  • Baxa needs to figure out solutions on chip shots. He should be authorized to take a delay of game penalty if that will help him get a better angle. I root for all Canes to succeed but if he can't make clutch kicks, he will have to be replaced. We simply can't lose missing chip shots. At this level, kicks under 30 yards should be virtually automatic.
  • Fact: special teams all-around (except punting & coverage) was a huge reason we lost the UF game. It now needs to be a major point of emphasis.

Legendary coaches (even if we can't stand them or their teams) have made Special Teams a major priority. Frank Beamer (who was a great coach at Va Tech) preached the importance of special teams constantly. He understood just what a big swing factor Special Teams could be. Meyer took personal responsibility for them. After all, football is in large part a battle for field position. The odds of success (scoring & defending) go way, way up if the field position game is tilted in your favor. We need to take significant pride in our special teams & get back to being suffocating in every phase of the game. Patke should spend time with NFL special teams coordinators (if he can get invites) & others. With Baker seemingly doing a good job managing the Defense, Manny has time to give significant input too. There is much work to be done.
 
There is no question that our special teams have largely been subpar recently, and the game against UF was certainly no exception. We did used to have an advantage that helped us win games across all units (coverage, returns and blocks), and it has been some time since we've been consistent in these phases of the game.

I think it's completely fair to evaluate the special teams units this year to see if there is improvement, and whether we think Patke is the right guy. That being said, I think it's also fair to separate the special teams issues that are coaching related from the mistakes that not really things you can pin on Patke:

- The Baxa missed FG - This is totally on Baxa. This was a chip shot FG that any FBS kicker is expected to make. Yes, the angle was difficult, but still, have to make it. Not much Patke can do about this.

- The Thomas muffed punt - This is totally on JT. Any punt returner needs to cleanly field a normal punt that he has called a fair catch for, especially when that player is our most explosive guy that you trust back there. I know that people like to point to the concept of not fair catching inside the 10, but realistically, there is often some wiggle room there, and as Manny said in his presser yesterday, if JT didn't try to catch it at the 9, they probably down it inside the 5. Not sure what Patke can do here. I'd assume he's coached JT not to catch it on the 3, but otherwise, this is pure, fundamental execution.

- The punts almost getting blocked - This is something on Patke. Not sure why it seems our punt formation leads to almost getting punts blocked, but can't have that happening often.

- The inability to block punts or return kicks/punts - This is also somewhat on Patke. There are obviously certain schemes/plays that teams use to try and gain an advantage, or certain tendencies that you can identify on other teams that you can try and exploit. Seems like we should be much more effective at returning kicks and blocking punts, given the athletes we have, and it would be nice to see our coaches put our guys in position to make those plays.

Also, while the special teams blunders certainly contributed to us losing, I think it's also fair to give Patke credit for the design of the FG fake, as that was a successful play that was called back due to a pretty questionable holding call.
 
this remains a major concern. Special team problems this game.

1. We weren't ready for the fake punt. Stop it and we have the ball at the 30 after scoring a field goal and stopping Florida on a three and out. Could have gone up 10-0. Big problem.

2. Florida got real close to Hedley once or twice.

3. We had at least one delay of game on the punt team.

4. Baxa missed a costly short field goal.

5. JT4 fumbled an easy fair catch.

to put it milly, special teams lost the game.
It actually looked like we were in a defensive safe call on that first punt and AB7 got beat to the outside. The actual call on that play was correct tho, players need to execute

Baxa misses a kick....not sure that’s on the coach

JT muffs punt, not sure how that is on the coach

Players got close to Hadley. You realize this hope s just about every punt everywhere in college right?

Now the delay of game on specials IS coaching, but that is about the only gripe.

Coaches call plays, players have to execute, but I forgot this is CIS it’s never the players fault.
 
It actually looked like we were in a defensive safe call on that first punt and AB7 got beat to the outside. The actual call on that play was correct tho, players need to execute

Baxa misses a kick....not sure that’s on the coach

JT muffs punt, not sure how that is on the coach

Players got close to Hadley. You realize this hope s just about every punt everywhere in college right?

Now the delay of game on specials IS coaching, but that is about the only gripe.

Coaches call plays, players have to execute, but I forgot this is CIS it’s never the players fault.
UF didnt come close to blocking a punt. UF's Punter and kicker were better than ours, even though Hedley did fairly well.
 
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UF didnt come close to blocking a punt. UF's Punter and kicker were better than ours, even though Hedley did fairly well.
Hedley put the ball over 40 yards in the air. He was light years better than what we had their prviously. He will only get better as he gets more kicks and more comfortable. I thought he did really well.

You're probably right about the pressure on Hedley
 
There are significant issues on special teams. UF's punter ran untouched for about 7-8 yards (if not more) before anyone even touched him. Granted it was extremely unlikely that they would run a fake deep in their own territory but there should always be players tasked with stopping a fake punt (and positioned appropriately to do so). You simply can't let a punter run free for almost ten yards untouched. That is brutal from an X's and O's standpoint.

Our special teams aren't even close to what they need to be. TNM very much needs to get back to being the old, elite Miami where we don't accept mediocrity. In the past, our special teams were low key ELITE in every phase:

1) We always had 1-2 guys who were great at blocking punts. Remember guys like Bubba McDowell, Ed Reed, Tre Mack & many others? When was the last time we had a blocked punt against a quality opponent? Was it a decade ago? Could Rousseau be our man (with his height)?

2) Our KR & PR were devastatingly good & could turn the tide of the game on one play. Hester, Buchanan, Kevin Williams & many others. JT has potential (he's definitely shown flashes) but we want opponents to hold their breath every time our returners receive the ball.

3) Our kick coverage teams were suffocating. Guys like Jesse Armstead & the late great Sean Taylor took heads off in coverage.

4) Our PK were incredibly reliable (Huerta, Sievers & many others) and were typically clutch in the biggest moments. Miami Hurricanes refused to lose. It was a mindset that led to incredible comebacks (like down 14 against a great Michigan team in Ann Arbor). You could feel the surge in the 4th quarter and the unrelenting determination to win. That's how we won 58 straight games at home (including over many top-ranked teams). Refusing to lose. I remember when some students would cry over a loss -- that's how rare they were. Manny is trying to bring that mindset back. Our PK were a part of that. They were clutch in the biggest moments.

5) Our punters were among the best in the nation (Kalal, Feagles Sr) and had tremendous hang time on their punts which allowed our coverage units to swarm the return man. They were incredibly consistent as well.

We suffocated opponents in every phase of the game and in every aspect of special teams play. There was no let up in any aspect. We poured it on. We need to get back to that. What we saw at UF in the special teams area wasn't even close:

  • JT4 shouldn't have even fielded the muffed punt inside the 10. Unless that was a mental blunder by Jeff, that is coaching.
  • The UF punter shouldn't have run untouched for almost ten yards. There should have been players positioned properly to prevent that. That is coaching.
  • Baxa needs to figure out solutions on chip shots. He should be authorized to take a delay of game penalty if that will help him get a better angle. I root for all Canes to succeed but if he can't make clutch kicks, he will have to be replaced. We simply can't lose missing chip shots. At this level, kicks under 30 yards should be virtually automatic.
  • Fact: special teams all-around (except punting & coverage) was a huge reason we lost the UF game. It now needs to be a major point of emphasis.

Legendary coaches (even if we can't stand them or their teams) have made Special Teams a major priority. Frank Beamer (who was a great coach at Va Tech) preached the importance of special teams constantly. He understood just what a big swing factor Special Teams could be. Meyer took personal responsibility for them. After all, football is in large part a battle for field position. The odds of success (scoring & defending) go way, way up if the field position game is tilted in your favor. We need to take significant pride in our special teams & get back to being suffocating in every phase of the game. Patke should spend time with NFL special teams coordinators (if he can get invites) & others. With Baker seemingly doing a good job managing the Defense, Manny has time to give significant input too. There is much work to be done.

Step away from the ledge.​
JT4 tried fielding the punt at the 11 yd line .... not inside the 10. That is what he is supposed to do. Physical error by JT4 not catching the ball having nothing to do with coaching.​
The UF punter ran for 6 yds (not close to 10), barely made it, and only made it b/c Blades was caught inside. I'm sure he wasn't taught to peek inside and was supposed to keep contain. Mental error by Blades.​
Baxa missed 1 FG inside 40 yds all last season (8 of 9 on the season). He missed this one. **** happens but it was a rough angle (agree with your take a penalty suggestion if needed) and he was just running for his life 1 minute earlier on the fake punt ... maybe that effected him.​
 
If that was the first time this year JT didn’t square up and get under the ball then it’s not on the coach. If it happens again it is. If it happened in practice he should have made it so unacceptable that he’d never do it again... or out in somebody that can catch. He dropped a TD too. I’m betting it was just a bad day for JT as he’s had super hands. BaXa? He’s missed too many for me already. I say give somebody else a try. JMO
 
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