Pat Ivey frontrunner for S&C

Sounds outdated

Is outdated. Olympic style lifts working the whole body > isolating muscles.

I would imagine the guy isn't that dense though.

Want to train football players? Cleans, jerks, squats, deads, snatches, etc


all of which don't do sh*t for me besides deadlifts

I srsly get zero pump from them AND see twice the results from HIT style

everyone's body is different tho

LMAO!

You're the defeintiion of a guy who has zero knowledge on building strength and muscle.

If you cannot get big on a bench press, squats, jerks, cleans, deads....any oolmypics YOU ARE NOT DOING THEM CORRECTLY OR NOT EATING. Simple.

Thoose compunds lifts are what EVERY SCHOOL is doing...PERIOD.

THere is no special workout, no special COACH, that is all a lie and scam for all you fanboys into believing some guy can put 20 lbs of muscle on you.

What? Are you saying all S&C coaches are created equal? We don't need anyone special just do those lifts and all is good?

I am a stregnth coach I teach olympic lifting!!

first of all american olympic lifting is NO good, majority of americans do not know how to properely do olympic lifts (i'm talking about snatches, cleans, etc) but I do not coach athletes I coach people who want to learn how to do them.

Anyway YES, all SC cocahces you see are doing BASICALLY THE SAME THING. I can promise you this. I can also promise you that it all revolved around HEAVY COMPOUNDS/OLYMPIC LIFTING. PERIOD. Thats what the program revolves around, the base of the program.

Everything else is secondary.

If SC coaches are so diffrent, what's the diffrence between college and nfl SC coaches? are you trying to say NFL coaches are diffrent or....better? if so, what makes them better? THERE IS NO SECRET.

If you think SC coaches are diffrent, that would mean only the alabama, or elite teams have a special routine? what does special mean? is it a secret?

and don't even give me a "better weight room"...lmao...all you need is a bench press, and a squat rack and a platform to do cleans.....you think some fancy machine is going to do anything?

like I said i said 99% of you have zero clue on weight lifting in general and it shows, just like the fella here who said he does like cleans because it doesdn't give him a pump....LOL
 
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I seriously cannot believe for the life of me people complaing about a SC coach. We just fired a SC coach that former players and current NFL players VOUCHE for, and here a bunch of atough guys who never lifted a weihgt in their life want to talk bout about a SC coach. these same people who say they dont like snatch and cleans because they "don't give them a pump" we have a bunch of low IQ fans here, and it's disgraceful.

If what you say is true, why don't they all make 500K a year?

Educate yourself and you won't come across as such a douche.

These highly paid strength and conditioning coaches carry plenty of weight in college football

IF these guys are so great, why not be in the NFL?

if your logic is correct, then that would mean NFL guys have "Better programs" like you guys call it?

can you tell me the difference between the programs? no you cant?

if there was one specific program that works, why isn't everyone doing the SAME EXACT ONE.? or is that top secret classified info? LOL!

I'm not discredting anyone, I'm saying all these SC coaches are qualified and basically the exact same thing.
 
I seriously cannot believe for the life of me people complaing about a SC coach. We just fired a SC coach that former players and current NFL players VOUCHE for, and here a bunch of atough guys who never lifted a weihgt in their life want to talk bout about a SC coach. these same people who say they dont like snatch and cleans because they "don't give them a pump" we have a bunch of low IQ fans here, and it's disgraceful.

If what you say is true, why don't they all make 500K a year?

Educate yourself and you won't come across as such a douche.

These highly paid strength and conditioning coaches carry plenty of weight in college football

IF these guys are so great, why not be in the NFL?

if your logic is correct, then that would mean NFL guys have "Better programs" like you guys call it?

can you tell me the difference between the programs? no you cant?

if there was one specific program that works, why isn't everyone doing the SAME EXACT ONE.? or is that top secret classified info? LOL!

I'm not discredting anyone, I'm saying all these SC coaches are qualified and basically the exact same thing.

Because teaching, leading, motivating and molding college kids is a lot different than the NFL. A college S&C coach is more than just someone throwing some workouts down on paper and teaching technique. I'm sure most "do" the same thing. That doesn't mean all SC coaches and created equal. As been pointed out 1000 times on this and other boards, the S&C coach is with these kids more than their position coaches. It's an important hire and if you can't see that then please promptly exit the keyboard area.

*Also there wasn't a SINGLE poster here agreeing with the "give me a pump" guy. He was universally reprimanded.
 
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I seriously cannot believe for the life of me people complaing about a SC coach. We just fired a SC coach that former players and current NFL players VOUCHE for, and here a bunch of atough guys who never lifted a weihgt in their life want to talk bout about a SC coach. these same people who say they dont like snatch and cleans because they "don't give them a pump" we have a bunch of low IQ fans here, and it's disgraceful.

If what you say is true, why don't they all make 500K a year?

Educate yourself and you won't come across as such a douche.

These highly paid strength and conditioning coaches carry plenty of weight in college football

IF these guys are so great, why not be in the NFL?

if your logic is correct, then that would mean NFL guys have "Better programs" like you guys call it?

can you tell me the difference between the programs? no you cant?

if there was one specific program that works, why isn't everyone doing the SAME EXACT ONE.? or is that top secret classified info? LOL!

I'm not discredting anyone,I'm saying all these SC coaches are qualified and basically the exact same thing.


Well apparently not. Cause ours couldn't pass the **** certification test. So he's not ACTUALLY qualified in anything. Dude couldn't even go in the weight room with his players. Embarrassing!
 
Is outdated. Olympic style lifts working the whole body > isolating muscles.

I would imagine the guy isn't that dense though.

Want to train football players? Cleans, jerks, squats, deads, snatches, etc


all of which don't do sh*t for me besides deadlifts

I srsly get zero pump from them AND see twice the results from HIT style

everyone's body is different tho

LMAO!

You're the defeintiion of a guy who has zero knowledge on building strength and muscle.

If you cannot get big on a bench press, squats, jerks, cleans, deads....any oolmypics YOU ARE NOT DOING THEM CORRECTLY OR NOT EATING. Simple.

Thoose compunds lifts are what EVERY SCHOOL is doing...PERIOD.

THere is no special workout, no special COACH, that is all a lie and scam for all you fanboys into believing some guy can put 20 lbs of muscle on you.

What? Are you saying all S&C coaches are created equal? We don't need anyone special just do those lifts and all is good?

I am a stregnth coach I teach olympic lifting!!

first of all american olympic lifting is NO good, majority of americans do not know how to properely do olympic lifts (i'm talking about snatches, cleans, etc) but I do not coach athletes I coach people who want to learn how to do them.

Anyway YES, all SC cocahces you see are doing BASICALLY THE SAME THING. I can promise you this. I can also promise you that it all revolved around HEAVY COMPOUNDS/OLYMPIC LIFTING. PERIOD. Thats what the program revolves around, the base of the program.

Everything else is secondary.

If SC coaches are so diffrent, what's the diffrence between college and nfl SC coaches? are you trying to say NFL coaches are diffrent or....better? if so, what makes them better? THERE IS NO SECRET.

If you think SC coaches are diffrent, that would mean only the alabama, or elite teams have a special routine? what does special mean? is it a secret?

and don't even give me a "better weight room"...lmao...all you need is a bench press, and a squat rack and a platform to do cleans.....you think some fancy machine is going to do anything?

like I said i said 99% of you have zero clue on weight lifting in general and it shows, just like the fella here who said he does like cleans because it doesdn't give him a pump....LOL

People like you are just pitiful

typical know it all who assumes it must work for everyone regardless of circumstances

n/m the fact that I put on 20lbs of muscle DISREGARDING your very advice years ago
 
Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?
 
Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?
That would be my guess. It would be consistent with the comments he made when Swasey was let go.
 
Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?

Maybe, which would explain the delay in naming someone.
 
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Smart also hasn’t announced if he’s keeping Hock at UGA, although the 2 worked together at Bama for many years, so you’d think he might.

Just speculating, but one name to keep in mind might be John Thomas, who has been the assistant SC coach at Georgia for 4 years. Even though he works under the 36-yr-old Hock, he is a long-time SC vet, having been Penn State’s SC coach for 20 years, and was the 1997 SC coach of the year (and once was the SC coach for the US military academy).

He is known for the HIT (high intensity training) method of strength training, which in the SC world is about the exact polar opposite of the Moffitt/Hatch/etc style (but is also what Miami used back under Daryl Hewlett). (In a nutshell, the HIT method likes to isolate muscles and then work them to exhaustion with high reps—more pure muscle building, where Hatch et al prefer Olympic-style lifts that work on total body explosion—more focus on athletic power, and less on pure muscle building)

Anyway, no idea whatsoever about him, but maybe Richt likes him and maybe he’s itching to be the boss again.

Sounds outdated

Is outdated. Olympic style lifts working the whole body > isolating muscles.

I would imagine the guy isn't that dense though.

Want to train football players? Cleans, jerks, squats, deads, snatches, etc

To train football players/dynamic athletes you need to take an integrated approach that consists of functional strength, balance, flexibility, mobility, core work, HIIT, diet (hugely important), AND Olympic lifting. In a nutshell, you need all of it to burn fat, build muscle, increase endurance (muscle endurance and lung capacity), increase flexibility/balance, and to develop both fast and slow twitch muscles.

Also, I notice everyone here is writing "HIT", but it is 'HIIT' --it is spelled with two "I's", not one. It means "High Intensity Interval Training." And I am not trying to come across as a know it all, but I've been doing Olympic lifting for 16 years, and I've been a competitive CrossFitter for the last 5 years. In short, I work out a sh*t ton, and I've seen everything.

All that said, HIIT is extremely important to developing football players, especially given the nature of the sport (i.e., explosive movements, quick burst, lots of sprinting in game). To understand that, you need to have a clear understanding of what a HIIT workout is and what it is not.

HIIT will accomplish two goals: it will help accelerate fat loss and improve aerobic and anaerobic endurance. When you do a cardio session at the same pace, your body goes into what is called "steady state." This means that your body has adjusted itself to the speed of your movements and tries hard to conserve energy (calories). HIIT stimulates the body in a way that cannot be paralleled by other methods of cardio. Constant change which allows for higher intensity is the key to HIIT.

The main aim of HIIT, like many other methods, remains to be an overall reduction in bodyfat and to improve endurance, but here are the keys: Aerobic exercise enhances respiratory and circulatory efficiency by improving oxygen consumption. Aerobic movements require oxygen to generate force, and enlist slow-twitch muscles for activity over sustained periods of time (minutes to hours). Examples of aerobic exercise includes cardio, jogging, cycling, and running marathons.

Anaerobic exercise, on the other hand, does not require oxygen to generate force. Anaerobic movements use fast-twitch muscles for short bursts of intense activity lasting only brief durations of time (ranging typically from a few seconds to up to a minute). Examples of anaerobic exercises includes isometric holds, burpees/up and downs, tabata circuits (20 seconds on/all-out and 10 seconds off/rest, for 8 intervals) sprinting, and high-intensity weightlifting. I underline this fact, because the HIIT workout CAN incorporate Olympic lifting (snatches, deads, clean and Jerks, etc.,). CrossFit does a great job integrating Olympic lifts into many WOD’s (which are HIIT workouts to the core)

Lastly, you can live in the gym and work out all day long, but your genetics are key. If you have ****ty genes then all the working out in the world won’t turn you into an elite level athlete. In short, recruiting! Find the recruits with the right genetic makeup, and then you pour all this Godly goodness (i.e., what I wrote about) into him.
 
I've been in the iron game for quite some time myself.

HIIT and HIT are two different things.
HIIT is what you described, High Intensity Interval Training.
HIT is High Intensity Training, as popularized by Arthur Jones.
 
I've been in the iron game for quite some time myself.

HIIT and HIT are two different things.
HIIT is what you described, High Intensity Interval Training.
HIT is High Intensity Training, as popularized by Arthur Jones.

Ahhh, got it. Jones, from the 70's. Forgot all about that dude
 
Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?

Hmm. If the UGA team comes here, should we be concerned that Kirby chose not to keep Hocke, when he and Kirby worked together for 6 years?

Looked up Sinclair and Ellis and they are both long-time SC vets, and worked together for a long time at UCF. But neither appear to have any previous Smart or 'Bama ties, and so if true, it looks like Smart just thought they were better and more qualified than Hocke. Interesting that Sinclair would be willing to give up the head job at Marshal for that.

On the other hand, I like that Hocke has been at a Bama for 6 years, watching and learning what they do. And then having a 20-year SC as his assistant gives some nice experience to back up the 36-yr-old Hocke.

If Hock, Thomas,and Felder (10+ years in SC) all come together, I think that's probably OK, if not a home run.
 
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Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?

Hmm. If the UGA team comes here, should we be concerned that Kirby chose not to keep Hocke, when he and Kirby worked together for 4+ years?

On the other hand, I like that Hocke has been at a Bama for 4 years, watching and learning what they do. And then having a 20-year SC as his assistant gives some nice experience to back up the 36-yr-old Hocke.

If Hock, Thomas,and Felder (10+ years in SC) all come together, I think that's probably OK.

I don't like the idea of bringing in too many guys from a failed staff ---that were just recently fired (UGA's staff). It should be new blood all the way around, and Richt should surround himself around a lot of new talent/different voices. I hope for Ivey, or some other S & C stud out there and his team.
 
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---It looks like the University of Georgia may have found its new strength and conditioning coach.

Per Football Scoop, Kirby Smart intends to hire Scott Sinclair for the position. Sinclair has held the same title at Marshall for the past three seasons. He previously spent nine years at UCF, with three at Georgia Tech and three at Wake Forest before that.

Mark Hocke held the title at Georgia since being hired away from Alabama in Dec. 2014. Football Scoop is also reporting that former UCF director of strength and conditioning Ed Ellis will also join the staff at Georgia. Sinclair worked under Ellis at UCF, where Ellis was the head of strength and conditioning for 13 seasons. The two also spent time together at Wake Forest and Georgia Tech, with Ellis being the head strength and conditioning coordinator at both stops from 1994-2004.

Both have earned the title of master strength and conditioning coach (MSCC) at the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Coaches Association's national conference, with Sinclair earning it in May of 2012 and Ellis in May of 2003. . . .

Ellis was also named the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Professional of the Year for the Atlantic Coast Conference by the National Strength and Conditioning Association, and oversaw strength, speed and conditioning efforts for UCF's 16-sport athletics program during his tenure. Ellis sits on the Board of Directors for the Collegiate Strength and Conditioning Coaches Association.---
 
Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?

Hmm. If the UGA team comes here, should we be concerned that Kirby chose not to keep Hocke, when he and Kirby worked together for 4+ years?

On the other hand, I like that Hocke has been at a Bama for 4 years, watching and learning what they do. And then having a 20-year SC as his assistant gives some nice experience to back up the 36-yr-old Hocke.

If Hock, Thomas,and Felder (10+ years in SC) all come together, I think that's probably OK.

I don't like the idea of bringing in too many guys from a failed staff ---that were just recently fired (UGA's staff). It should be new blood all the way around, and Richt should surround himself around a lot of new talent/different voices. I hope for Ivey, or some other S & C stud out there and his team.

UGA wasn't exactly and failed staff, had 10 wins this year and were a dropped TD v Tenn away from possible 11
 
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Saw on twitter that UGA is bringing in Scott Sinclair from Marshall and Ed Ellis from UCF for their strength staff. Think Richt brings along his old guys from UGA?

Hmm. If the UGA team comes here, should we be concerned that Kirby chose not to keep Hocke, when he and Kirby worked together for 4+ years?

On the other hand, I like that Hocke has been at a Bama for 4 years, watching and learning what they do. And then having a 20-year SC as his assistant gives some nice experience to back up the 36-yr-old Hocke.

If Hock, Thomas,and Felder (10+ years in SC) all come together, I think that's probably OK.

I don't like the idea of bringing in too many guys from a failed staff ---that were just recently fired (UGA's staff). It should be new blood all the way around, and Richt should surround himself around a lot of new talent/different voices. I hope for Ivey, or some other S & C stud out there and his team.

UGA wasn't exactly and failed staff, had 10 wins this year and were a dropped TD v Tenn away from 11

Failed staff is probably a little harsh, but I'll just say it was a staff that could never get over the hump. I would hope Richt will take the opportunity to make a splash and hire the best available talent with different voices/ideas/perspectives than what he may have been used to or surrounded by. Change can be a good thing
 
I seriously cannot believe for the life of me people complaing about a SC coach. We just fired a SC coach that former players and current NFL players VOUCHE for, and here a bunch of atough guys who never lifted a weihgt in their life want to talk bout about a SC coach. these same people who say they dont like snatch and cleans because they "don't give them a pump" we have a bunch of low IQ fans here, and it's disgraceful.

If what you say is true, why don't they all make 500K a year?

Educate yourself and you won't come across as such a douche.

These highly paid strength and conditioning coaches carry plenty of weight in college football

IF these guys are so great, why not be in the NFL?

if your logic is correct, then that would mean NFL guys have "Better programs" like you guys call it?

can you tell me the difference between the programs? no you cant?

if there was one specific program that works, why isn't everyone doing the SAME EXACT ONE.? or is that top secret classified info? LOL!

I'm not discredting anyone, I'm saying all these SC coaches are qualified and basically the exact same thing.
Can't you say the same for practically any profession? But that simply isn't true. Maybe there are different philosophies and different paths to get the same end results. Maybe there's new research or new tech. S&C training like any other profession has its nuances. If it were as simple as you're making it out to be then might as well go hire the high school coch down the street cause it's all compound movements bro.

If you really are an Olympic lifting trainer then you really need to reasses how you view your own profession. There isn't a single industry or profession that is cookie cutter. Not if you want to excel.
 
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