Pat Ivey frontrunner for S&C

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I can see how this can be perceived both ways. As much as many fans don't want to acknowledge this, these students are really just supersized kids. They are in college, an epicenter for learning and growth, and it's important that they begin to understand the greater implications of life and not just the game of football. If a PhD helps to facilitate that growth, that's okay. If, on the other hand, he's not facilitating growth but actually orchestrating protests and imposing his own moral standards in an attempt to get them to do his bidding, that's not okay.

So, for ex, if players come to him to gain a better understanding of the social protests occuring and he answers questions and tries to explain what's going on, that's okay. If through the process of understanding the social implications of the protests, the players say they want to take a stand, gain an understanding of the pros and cons, and still choose to protest, then that's okay as well.

If, for ex, the same scenario occurs, and Ivey starts to state his own personal feelings on the matter, then he goes from being a teacher to being an activist which isn't fair to the kids imo. He isn't allowing for personal growth and is, for all intents and purposes, brainwashing the kids who then will do his bidding. That would start a very dangerous cycle where he might become the most powerful coach on the team because of his access.

It will be extremely important for Richt to understand whether Ivey is the former or the latter. He's the one coach who could lead a mutiny through social activism. On the other hand, he could be the best coach on the staff outside of Richt.

The guy produces....bring him in....they other stuff is irrelevant

This. He could be having dinner parties with Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, and Louis Farrakhan on Sunday's for all I care as long as he is building savages the rest of the week.

 

[wushah]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

 

[WhatTheHell]

The guy just produces -- true. He also just incites race riots, shuts down entire athletic programs, and encourages student athletes to hold universities hostages.

I'd hope Richt will do some intense digging into the situation, but acting like it's not cause for concern seems foolish.

 

[52CANES]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

I'm sure there are plenty of professors that talk in the ear of the stupids in opposite of your politics too, should we fire all them from the University? Sounds like you afraid to get them little boys riled up with opinions and beliefs of their own. shame on them and him for supporting his players.

 

[52CANES]

The guy just produces -- true. He also just incites race riots, shuts down entire athletic programs, and encourages student athletes to hold universities hostages.

I'd hope Richt will do some intense digging into the situation, but acting like it's not cause for concern seems foolish.

Yeah buddy, got to make sure those boys mind their place and don't find out they have American rights.

 

[weownfsu]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

Exactly. It's why he got fired. My concern with Ivey is that he wouldn't function as a lieutenant for the HC, but instead would have his own cult of personality. Which might work and it's something Richt will have to evaluate.

 

[The Svengali]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

I'm sure there are plenty of professors that talk in the ear of the stupids in opposite of your politics too, should we fire all them from the University? Sounds like you afraid to get them little boys riled up with opinions and beliefs of their own. shame on them and him for supporting his players.

Many of these guys with this anti-Ivey stance view these players as animals - they have dehumanized them completely - so they are unable to rationalize what you just wrote. It's only about what these kids can do for them (i.e., feeling euphoria from wins).

They don't get that these guys are real people, on college campuses, being influenced / challenged by professors or other social issues that's front and center in the world. Racial issues we've seen cutting a swath across the United States in recent years are being discussed in classrooms and among themselves every day. It's the job of the professors to discuss these matters and to push the envelop so students (and student athletes) can critically think.

I have no problem with Ivey standing with the players. Coach Pinkle stood with and supported the players and Coach Craig Kuligowski (who we just hired)

What I find interesting is the vocal minority that's afraid to death of Ivey so called role in supporting the Mizzou players in their plight, have found no reason to panic over Craig Kuligowski's stance. He supported the players also, so why does he get a pass while Ivey is vilified? Is it because he's white? I can't think of any other reason.

 

[WhatTheHell]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

 

[The Svengali]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

Exactly. It's why he got fired. My concern with Ivey is that he wouldn't function as a lieutenant for the HC, but instead would have his own cult of personality. Which might work and it's something Richt will have to evaluate.

Why do you have such angst about Ivey's support for the Mizzou players, but you've given Coach Craig Kuligowski (who also supported the players) a free pass? Play with that thought in your own mind.

Do you not find that dichotomy a bit strange?

 

[weownfsu]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

 

[The Svengali]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Where is your evidence of this? Are you parroting rumors / innuendo you've read or can you produce some hard evidence that shows he was actively encouraging and provoking? Show some evidence please.

 

[weownfsu]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

Exactly. It's why he got fired. My concern with Ivey is that he wouldn't function as a lieutenant for the HC, but instead would have his own cult of personality. Which might work and it's something Richt will have to evaluate.

Why do you have such angst about Ivey's support for the Mizzou players, but you've given Coach Craig Kuligowski (who also supported the players) a free pass? Play with that thought in your own mind.

Do you not find that dichotomy a bit strange?

It's not his "support," dip****. Ivey was the one who encouraged players to "take action" and then went on a national radio show to tell everyone about the private on goings of the Missouri football team. Something like that is concerning.

If you're incapable of understanding the difference, sorry.

 

[Thommy30w]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Kind of like spelling is too.

 

[The Svengali]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Evidence...produce it. Show the hard evidence to this mongoloid. I challenge you

 

[The Svengali]

Agree with you in concept- just produces savages. However, it's clear that Ivey takes on a bigger role. He did at Mizzou, and there is no reason to suspect he wouldn't do the same at UM. That's why I said it would be important to note whether he's a teacher or someone different because of the implications it could have on the rest of the team and coaches.

Exactly. It's why he got fired. My concern with Ivey is that he wouldn't function as a lieutenant for the HC, but instead would have his own cult of personality. Which might work and it's something Richt will have to evaluate.

Why do you have such angst about Ivey's support for the Mizzou players, but you've given Coach Craig Kuligowski (who also supported the players) a free pass? Play with that thought in your own mind.

Do you not find that dichotomy a bit strange?

It's not his "support," dip****. Ivey was the one who encouraged players to "take action" and then went on a national radio show to tell everyone about the private on goings of the Missouri football team. Something like that is concerning.

If you're incapable of understanding the difference, sorry.

Produce the evidence. I challenge you.

I am extremely versed on Mizzou case, and I listened to Ivey on the radio a while back. He was not actively provoking and encouraging; he was providing insight into what was happening and why

 

[WhatTheHell]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Evidence...produce it. Show the hard evidence to this mongoloid. I challenge you

Last month, the Missourian reported that during this semester’s Men4Men seminar, which centered around race, Ivey told athletes to take action when it came to inequality they experienced on campus. About two weeks later, the Missouri football team announced its boycott, standing in solidarity with hunger-striking graduate student Jonathan Butler, who demanded that then-University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe resign.

Strength coach Pat Ivey done at Missouri | Mizzou Football | columbiamissourian.com

"I was wrong" will work.

 

[weownfsu]

LMAO at "produce the evidence." I could link you to the articles, but you will just discount them and come up with some different interpretation. So, have fun.

Ivey going on the radio to discuss anything and providing any "insight" was extremely inappropriate.

 

[weownfsu]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Evidence...produce it. Show the hard evidence to this mongoloid. I challenge you

Last month, the Missourian reported that during this semester’s Men4Men seminar, which centered around race, Ivey told athletes to take action when it came to inequality they experienced on campus. About two weeks later, the Missouri football team announced its boycott, standing in solidarity with hunger-striking graduate student Jonathan Butler, who demanded that then-University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe resign.

Strength coach Pat Ivey done at Missouri | Mizzou Football | columbiamissourian.com

Wow what a tough challenge that was.

The newest CIS mongoloid will claim that's not "evidence."

 

[WhatTheHell]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Evidence...produce it. Show the hard evidence to this mongoloid. I challenge you

Last month, the Missourian reported that during this semester’s Men4Men seminar, which centered around race, Ivey told athletes to take action when it came to inequality they experienced on campus. About two weeks later, the Missouri football team announced its boycott, standing in solidarity with hunger-striking graduate student Jonathan Butler, who demanded that then-University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe resign.

Strength coach Pat Ivey done at Missouri | Mizzou Football | columbiamissourian.com

Wow what a tough challenge that was.

The newest CIS mongoloid will claim that's not "evidence."

Of course.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

I guess we're going to ignore the difference between "standing with" and "actively encouraging and provoking."

Understanding something like taht is above the CIS mongoloid's intellectual capability.

Evidence...produce it. Show the hard evidence to this mongoloid. I challenge you

Last month, the Missourian reported that during this semester’s Men4Men seminar, which centered around race, Ivey told athletes to take action when it came to inequality they experienced on campus. About two weeks later, the Missouri football team announced its boycott, standing in solidarity with hunger-striking graduate student Jonathan Butler, who demanded that then-University of Missouri System President Tim Wolfe resign.

Strength coach Pat Ivey done at Missouri | Mizzou Football | columbiamissourian.com

"I was wrong" will work.

brb deleting "The Svengali" and quickly making a new handle now