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Gi0logy said:
Classic. I love how we go from “no one will come here” to now basically saying we have the pick of the litter and that top coaching candidates are fighting each other to be here.

That we would “pass up” Lane to get Mário is just a hilarious thought to me.
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Me too brother.
 
LustNCanes said:
I'm ALL IN on the Lane Train! He would bring a nasty offense to Miami, but he needs an DC to match his intensity on offense.

I Believe we can be a seriously good team with him at the helm.
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Having listened to a few Kiffin interviews in the last couple of days, **** it, why not.

At least it'd be funny while it all burns down around us. He's hilarious.
 
IcemanArcade said:
Don’t even bother, they’ll skip over the fact that Mario has won 2 pac 12 championships. Finished 12-2 one year and is in line to potentially finish 12-2 again, and has finished top 10 in recruiting 3 out of his 5 seasons at Oregon just to prove a point.
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I’d be perfectly fine with Mario. But a couple of things:

1. He has won during a real down PAC 12, that wasn’t exactly strong to begin with.

2. Oregon finished 15th in the S&P+ during that 12-2 season. And that’s the best Mario has done. With Justin Herbert at QB, you’d like Oregon to have done better than just a Top 15 team.
And they finished 23rd in offense with a superstar at QB. They were 31st the year before that under Taggart in offense. So marginal improvement.

It is concerning that Cristobal needed an elite QB that he inherited, to even produce a good offense. And his teams have been propped up by a bad conference.
 
ChrisLamar757 said:
Same amount as Coker or Davis or Diaz before they got the Miami jobs.

But they all had local or "insider" support that made it possible for them to get the gig. Miami's impulse is be of itself. Insular. All under the guise of maintaining some "cultural" connection, whether it be from the past or previous staff. Time has proven that whatever Miami's instinct is on this matter, more often than not, is wrong.

Give the guy that can squeeze the most out of what he has a shot. For once.

Or, we can just go hire Larry Coker. He's won some games. Plenty of experience. Even a National Championship. Butch Davis is available too.
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You have it backwards. The main reason why Mario is in serious consideration isn’t just because he’s a miami guy who oozes orange and green that the BOT favor. Otherwise Chudzinski or Dorsey would’ve already been hired. Cristobal is being pushed for the same reason why the Richt hire was initially praised. A coach who played for miami, who then left to learn to win elsewhere, and is now/will be available to come back and coach for miami. Except Mario is 10 years younger than Richt. You can hate on the man, question if he can lead us to 6. But to compare his recent resume to that of Shannon is being dishonest with yourself.
 
Not to trash a former Cane, but Mario scares me. Have you seen the schedule the next couple years? TAMU, Florida, Notre Dame and Utah gives you trouble??
 
IcemanArcade said:
You have it backwards. The main reason why Mario is in serious consideration isn’t just because he’s a miami guy who oozes orange and green that the BOT favor. Otherwise Chudzinski or Dorsey would’ve already been hired. Cristobal is being pushed for the same reason why the Richt hire was initially praised. A coach who played for miami, who then left to learn to win elsewhere, and is now/will be available to come back and coach for miami. Except Mario is 10 years younger than Richt. You can hate on the man, question if he can lead us to 6. But to compare his recent resume to that of Shannon is being dishonest with yourself.
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I don't believe that.

I think any success he's had at Oregon is used as a disingenuous justification for the beating of the drum he's received to get the Miami gig. If he didn't go to Miami, most of his supporters (administrative/booster faction) wouldn't think it plausible he'd come. They, like many other fan bases, become enamored with the idea of the prodigal son to come save the day. It's romantic.

Not to mention his name pops up in every Miami coaching search, even before the Oregon success.

Miami, needs to get away from its romantic impulses for once.
 
ben said:
lane kiffin fau football GIF
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Darth Vader
 
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mossmadness said:
I’d be perfectly fine with Mario. But a couple of things:

1. He has won during a real down PAC 12, that wasn’t exactly strong to begin with.

2. Oregon finished 15th in the S&P+ during that 12-2 season. And that’s the best Mario has done. With Justin Herbert at QB, you’d like Oregon to have done better than just a Top 15 team.
And they finished 23rd in offense with a superstar at QB. They were 31st the year before that under Taggart in offense. So marginal improvement.

It is concerning that Cristobal needed an elite QB that he inherited, to even produce a good offense. And his teams have been propped up by a bad conference.
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So you’re penalizing him for winning majority of his games in a weakened conference? Clemson usually wraps up the Atlantic midway through their season, they completely dominate and there isn’t a second team to compete with. They’ve faced 6 different coastal opponents since 2015 and only two (2015 NC & 2017 Miami) have won 10+ games. Pac-12 is weak but the ACC isn’t the SEC either.

I agree in hindsight that Herbert was 100% misused but considering the Anthony brown fiasco this year. Who’s to say Cristobal doesn’t bring in an OC to tailor fit this current offense or keep lashlee. If an elite QB is what’s needed to make Cristobal offense work, and we have one in TVD and potentially Garcia, why not? At least trench play and running game would improve.
 
Need to win for recruits to come. Especially S Fla recruits. Does Mario guarantee we keep the studs down here? I honestly don't know. We just need a winner. Bags or not.
 
IcemanArcade said:
So you’re penalizing him for winning majority of his games in a weakened conference? Clemson usually wraps up the Atlantic midway through their season, they completely dominate and there isn’t a second team to compete with. They’ve faced 6 different coastal opponents since 2015 and only two (2015 NC & 2017 Miami) have won 10+ games. Pac-12 is weak but the ACC isn’t the SEC either.

I agree in hindsight that Herbert was 100% misused but considering the Anthony brown fiasco this year. Who’s to say Cristobal doesn’t bring in an OC to tailor fit this current offense or keep lashlee. If an elite QB is what’s needed to make Cristobal offense work, and we have one in TVD and potentially Garcia, why not? At least trench play and running game would improve.
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no, I’m not penalizing for it.

I agree, the first thing you should do is beat the teams you’re suppose to beat.
He did that that year for the most part.

What I’m saying is he hasn’t yet produced a team that all the analytic models said, “remove schedule from it. This team is elite.” And that’s a concern.

If Mario produces the 15th ranked team in the FPI and S&P+ every year, we are going to win the Coastal every year. But that’s all we’re going to do.

And the concerns with Mario are that he’s only produced that level of team once. And there is some evidence that that’s his ceiling. If you can’t get right on offense in today’s game, you are never going to be elite. And Mario has yet to get right on offense. And there are indications that he is the reason why his teams can’t.
 
L A M P said:
I’m good if we went the Lane route. Definitely cheaper & would probably have the ability to win sooner.. but Cristobal isn’t Shannon. Don’t be disingenuous.
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6 mill base + incentives for winning the coastal, ACC, NY6, etc. I think he'd say yes to that.
 
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At this point, Miami is most attractive job for any driven HC looking to go to the next level within the next 4-5 years.
Lane seems to fit that .. .
Our program had the most success based on that criteria. .. we should stick to that rather than some feel good homeboy.
 
ChrisLamar757 said:
First

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Over

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Now

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Over

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"Bad gameday coach? So what?! He'll just recruit around it!"

"He'll keep the local guys home!"

"He loves the U! He'll never leave!"

"What about that guy's defense?!"

"How could that guy possibly recruit South Florida with that personality? That wouldn't fly down here!"

"We need a guy that understands what it means to be a Cane! Not some gimmicky nonsense!"

"Culture! Discipline!"









Don't play it "safe" for once, Miami.

Don't allow your fear of the unknown subsume you. Take the big swing NOW that you were always too afraid to take before.

#Campaign4Lane
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Years ago everyone here wanted Fuente, Herman, Strong…and they all bombed T their next big gig. No one knows **** on how these folks would have played out. Leach ran a **** show at each of his stops. Herman was a flash in the pan. Strong same. Fuente looked like potential Mercedes AMG and ended up being a Yaris.
 
I think you're dealing with different variables with Cristobal v. the Lane Train.

I'm cool with either.

Lane would be fun. Cristobal is a good coach.

Guys like Billy Napier or Dave Aranda might be smarter choices when we look back on this choice or decision.

With that said, this hire seems to have a lil more juice than our previous hires.
 
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