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edge said:
First I assume in your opening statement you meant "had injuries, not "head injuries".

A broken ankle has nothing to do with S&C. Looks like Seantrel Henderson broke his ankle yesterday. He got rolled up on by a 300 pound man. Falling on your ankle has something to do with physics not S&C. I have no idea what happened to Rossueau but you cannot blame that one on Gus.

Walton injury, see above. 2 guys fell on his leg.

Richards - meniscus injuries have nothing to do with S&C. You possibly could make an argument for S&C for his hamstring issues.

Wilder - Neck injury. Nothing to do with S&C.

Irvin - S&C is a mute point with him. Clearly he has never taken off season workouts seriously.

Herbert? That dude was injured in HS.

Evidence - There has never been one shred of proof that an ACL has anything to do with S&C. NFL teams lose a couple players a year to ACL's. They have the best S&C programs that money can buy.

If you want to point to S&C issues look at the OL. Much more of a solid argument there.
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dude even mentioned young in that list, which was just an extremely unfortunate freak accident.
 
SayWhat said:
No idea on our S&C head, but it is concerning when our OL cannot push a SSU DL backwards on strength alone. They should've been mauled as they were a lot smaller than typically defensive lines at this level.

Yes, injuries will happen and seem magnified when its the team you follow. I remember a bunch of people being injured in Bama's defense last year, in fact all of their starting linebackers at one point, as it was a talking point if you watched a game of theirs.

Gus is new to the business. I'll admit I was concerned that he is so overweight as you're trying to teach fitness and strength, the first he's obviously not. That doesn't mean he doesn't know his stuff, but injuries do happen.

Typically if an injury could've been avoided, there's usually only two things that went wrong. One, they were worked too hard without enough recovery time between that time and the injury. Secondly, an issue was missed that was brought to attention. I don't see them being overworked and the second wouldn't be on Gus's plate if he directed them to the trainers that start the identifying process when someone says something doesn't feel right.
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That's all technique though, not strength. The lower man always wins, and our guys were playing with too high of a pad level.
 
RightSaidFred said:
That's all technique though, not strength. The lower man always wins, and our guys were playing with too high of a pad level.
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If that were true then OL would always lose as DL's are typically shorter and it's easier to get lower. Yes, pad level does matter, but when you have 30 to 40 poounds on a guy which means more muscle mass, then you should get more push than we saw. This was the equivalent of an elite high school team and that might be giving them too much credit.
 
SayWhat said:
If that were true then OL would always lose as DL's are typically shorter and it's easier to get lower. Yes, pad level does matter, but when you have 30 to 40 poounds on a guy which means more muscle mass, then you should get more push than we saw. This was the equivalent of an elite high school team and that might be giving them too much credit.
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It's science.

 
5XNC said:
No one around the program is questioning s and c. Stop.
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yes they are question this "twitch" style gus likes but you have to keep in mind swasey was very popular so
it could just be that they are still learning to trust hte new guy
 
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edge said:
S&C is a mute point with him.
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The only thing i see from a medical standpoint talking to some guys that do training for a living is that The team looks stiff.
I literally think the running backs need to limber up.
If you look at the great backs they were all very flexible. Barry Sanders AP and now Barkley have huge legs but very very flexible. It improves he explosiveness pad level and change in direction.
Mark Walton was also very flexible.
If it was me I would implement some yoga.
A lot of mma guys swear buy it and it’s getting more and more popular in the military.
 
Every dam time the team goes through some bs somebody wants to bring up S&C. Most have zero clue what Miami's S&C program intels and have never even been in one. Guys were blaming swasey for dumb chit not it's this guys turn I guess. Dumb.
 
DemCanesByke said:
Strength and Conditioning is fine to me. Big Gus was an offensive lineman. The problem is Stacy Searels. The line has poor technique and can't pick up blitzes.
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Or we just value ****** upperclassmen over younger maulers for some reason
 
RightSaidFred said:
It's science.

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NO ****, but the point is an FCS DT is not going to bulldoze Taylor Lewan just because he got lower. It makes a big difference, but leverage can only do so much when the lineman are that much bigger and stronger. Flowers got by off strength alone at Miami. That is why he is straight garbage in the league.
 
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I’m not a doctor but I seriously doubt strength and conditioning can stop bones from breaking.

The fact our OL couldn’t push Savv State is more of a reflection to our S/C.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
NO ****, but the point is an FCS DT is not going to bulldoze Taylor Lewan just because he got lower. It makes a big difference, but leverage can only do so much when the lineman are that much bigger and stronger. Flowers got by off strength alone at Miami. That is why he is straight garbage in the league.
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Of course size and strength help, but good technique and athleticism help a lot more.

And by "getting lower" I'm talking about hip level, which takes quite a bit of athleticism and lower body strength to do.

If you're grappling with someone and you get your hips underneath theirs along with a solid base, you ARE going to be able to drive them back.

That's why bend, flexibility, and a quick getoff are so important in an OL.

Add to that, hand position and a good "punch" are also extremely important.

There's a lot that goes in to it, man. It's not just about who is the tallest and the heaviest, or even the strongest.
 
pumbaa said:
So everyone busts nuts all over Bama S&C right? What about least year when half the defense was hurt? **** they are missing 3 right now with injuries that need surgery. The oline being weak, guys putting on too much mass and losing speed, and other issues sure, but injuries that happen at every school and in the NFL, doesn't have some magical S&C fix.
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Except they win all the time so everyone assumes all their sht is the best. We lost to lsu so obviously our sht is 3rd rate. All of it.
 
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