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hoops156 said:
its never marios fault. he can do no wrong even tho he nearly ruined Herbert
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JHC. He never ‘nearly ruined Herbert’. Underutilized, fine.

Herbert was so ruined he was only the 6th overall pick and ready to ball in NFL from Day One.
 
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TemplarCane said:
JHC. He never ‘nearly ruined Herbert’. Underutilized, fine.

Herbert was so ruined he was only the 6th overall pick and ready to ball in NFL from Day One.
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herbert was a top 10 pick before the season began. it was the year he had at Oregon where people questioned him (there was a whole hes just tannehill debate) In miami (Im a fins fan). he under utilized him bc he doesn't know how to run an offensive scheme that takes advantages of his talent. everyone across the country can score and were laughing stocks.
 
GoCanes!! said:
I said earlier a coach can fire up his team by yelling in the locker room or whatever it takes. But it's up to the ones with the cleats in the ground to lock-in and do their job on the field. can't blame coaching for everything when we lose. Every single game we lose its all coaching faults on this board. When are we going to hold the kids on the field accountable and realize the ones we have aren't good enough to get it done.. You can bring in the best staff in the nation tomorrow and if we lost the UNC game it would be the coaches fault..
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It can be both, coaches and players, in fact it always is both.

Evidence, the team got fired up when Garcia came in. They aren't dumb, they knew what was going on and that'll wear on a team, forcing mistakes. It was both sides of the ball that got some renewed energy and focus. The fans got excited.

Ultimately it was too little too late. I don't know what we were doing in some aspects of the game. I know they faced a team that was on their biggest stage of their year. We gave them hope right off the first whistle. They weren't playing for NIL checks, all they get is a free education and to keep playing a game they love. They didn't expect to win until we showed them we weren't special and maybe not entirely into the game.

They wanted it more. Simple as that. Our coaches didn't help and continued playing a QB who looked less interested than anyone else on the field. Two picks, they should've sat him right then and there to compose himself. Garcia doesn't score, you bring TVD back in.

You don't see everything on television, but these coaches are stubborn. The players, tired and looking for something to believe in. Is that Garcia offensively?

It's both, but ultimately it's on the coaches. Never forget that and nobody forgets poor play by our players either.
 
hoops156 said:
herbert was a top 10 pick before the season began. it was the year he had at Oregon where people questioned him (there was a whole hes just tannehill debate) In miami (Im a fins fan). he under utilized him bc he doesn't know how to run an offensive scheme that takes advantages of his talent. everyone across the country can score and were laughing stocks.
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If he was a potential Top 10 pick before his senior year (and he was), Mario and staff were still his coaches. No one questioned Herbert’s talent. He had a 61-14 TD-INT ratio and 65% completion percentage his last two seasons.

Could Oregon have run a more wide-open offense? Sure, no argument, but that is meaningless to the NFL. Herbert wasn’t going 3rd overall if he had thrown 8 more TDs.

GMs and scouts that stupid draft QBs like Dwayne Haskins in the first round. He threw 50 TDs his last season at Ohio State. Awful, wasted pick from Day One.
 
TemplarCane said:
If he was a potential Top 10 pick before his senior year (and he was), Mario and staff were still his coaches. No one questioned Herbert’s talent. He had a 61-14 TD-INT ratio and 65% completion percentage his last two seasons.

Could Oregon have run a more wide-open offense? Sure, no argument, but that is meaningless to the NFL. Herbert wasn’t going 3rd overall if he had thrown 8 more TDs.

GMs and scouts that stupid draft QBs like Dwayne Haskins in the first round. He threw 50 TDs his last season at Ohio State. Awful, wasted pick from Day One.
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well here we are now - we have a prehistoric coach who can't scheme anything up himself bc all he knows is me talk tough on a 10 year deal and a **** offensive scheme everyone on here tried to defend
 
hoops156 said:
well here we are now - we have a prehistoric coach who can't scheme anything up himself bc all he knows is me talk tough on a 10 year deal and a **** offensive scheme everyone on here tried to defend
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I’m not defending the scheme.

I think a poor job has been done transitioning from Lashlee’s offense to whatever it is we’re seeing now. Play calling has been terrible, especially in the red zone. Execution by the players, namely TVD and the WR/TEs, not worthy of more playing time. But someone has to play…

Another poster mentioned TVDs mechanics look off, different than last season.

OL did look improved, until today.

And I like our RBs, if they can stay healthy. Too bad we won’t get to see Citizen until next year.
 
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TemplarCane said:
I’m not defending the scheme.

I think a poor job has been done transitioning from Lashlee’s offense to whatever it is we’re seeing now. Play calling has been terrible, especially in the red zone. Execution by the players, namely TVD and the WR/TEs, not worthy of more playing time. But someone has to play…

Another poster mentioned TVDs mechanics look off, different than last season.

OL did look improved, until today.

And I like our RBs, if they can stay healthy. Too bad we won’t get to see Citizen until next year.
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I said the mechanics part but I think c way did too. lashlee was the QB coach. ponce, gattis, Mario all stink. OL sucked against southern miss though too.

the issue is that we just dont look well coached at all. thats not a player thing its a coaching thing. we've looked bad since week 1
 
SayWhat said:
It can be both, coaches and players, in fact it always is both.

Evidence, the team got fired up when Garcia came in. They aren't dumb, they knew what was going on and that'll wear on a team, forcing mistakes. It was both sides of the ball that got some renewed energy and focus. The fans got excited.

Ultimately it was too little too late. I don't know what we were doing in some aspects of the game. I know they faced a team that was on their biggest stage of their year. We gave them hope right off the first whistle. They weren't playing for NIL checks, all they get is a free education and to keep playing a game they love. They didn't expect to win until we showed them we weren't special and maybe not entirely into the game.

They wanted it more. Simple as that. Our coaches didn't help and continued playing a QB who looked less interested than anyone else on the field. Two picks, they should've sat him right then and there to compose himself. Garcia doesn't score, you bring TVD back in.

You don't see everything on television, but these coaches are stubborn. The players, tired and looking for something to believe in. Is that Garcia offensively?

It's both, but ultimately it's on the coaches. Never forget that and nobody forgets poor play by our players either.
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garcia looked better but he didnt look all that special either. this offense will always waste the talent we have and underperform no matter who we recruit. now we know why WR recruits said **** you. also, all those former players on here who defend Mario, nah man your boy sucks ****. idgaf who you played under or played with. youre all part of the problem at this point by propping another fraud up
 
hoops156 said:
herbert was a top 10 pick before the season began. it was the year he had at Oregon where people questioned him (there was a whole hes just tannehill debate) In miami (Im a fins fan). he under utilized him bc he doesn't know how to run an offensive scheme that takes advantages of his talent. everyone across the country can score and were laughing stocks.
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Ehhhh, I know ur on a h8 Mario tip right now, but u’re completely misremembering Herbert.

Mario took over in 2018, Herbert’s Jr yr. Herbert’s Sophomore yr, he played in 8 games, completed 67.5% of his passes for 1983 yrds & 10 TDs / 5ints

His 1st yr under Mario, he played in 13 games, completing 59.4% of his passes for 3151 yrds & 29 TDs / 8 ints

His 2nd yr under Mario, he played in 13 games, completing 66.8% of his passes for 3471 yrds & 32 TDs / 6 ints.

So I’m not getting ur argument on this one. Herbert absolutely enjoyed his best two yrs under Mario, but especially that Sr yr.
 
Rellyrell said:
Ehhhh, I know ur on a h8 Mario tip right now, but u’re completely misremembering Herbert.

Mario took over in 2018, Herbert’s Jr yr. Herbert’s Sophomore yr, he played in 8 games, completed 67.5% of his passes for 1983 yrds & 10 TDs / 5ints

His 1st yr under Mario, he played in 13 games, completing 59.4% of his passes for 3151 yrds & 29 TDs / 8 ints

His 2nd yr under Mario, he played in 13 games, completing 66.8% of his passes for 3471 yrds & 32 TDs / 6 ints.

So I’m not getting ur argument on this one. Herbert absolutely enjoyed his best two yrs under Mario, but especially that Sr yr.
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I think he was under utilized based on his talent due to the scheme they run which was my whole point I guess just poorly worded
 
hoops156 said:
I think he was under utilized based on his talent due to the scheme they run which was my whole point I guess just poorly worded
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How was he under utilized when he threw the ball more than he ever had? He avg. 31 & 33 attempts/game his last two yrs. I didn’t even include the extra 6 TDs he put up rushing the rock his last 2 yrs.
 
hoops156 said:
I said the mechanics part but I think c way did too. lashlee was the QB coach. ponce, gattis, Mario all stink. OL sucked against southern miss though too.

the issue is that we just dont look well coached at all. thats not a player thing its a coaching thing. we've looked bad since week 1
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I’m not counting week 1. Scored on all but one possession against BCC. Scrimmage.

The first half vs Southern Miss was bad. Came on late to score. Then took over second half. But we didn’t win by 40, so we suck. OL looked good last week. Ran the ball well, TVD wasn’t sacked. Couldn’t hit wide open receivers. And if he did, they dropped it.

As another name poster said, TVD throws a nice deep ball but was bailed out last season by Rambo quite often, and Harley. They’re gone and no one is taking their place. X is the best on the roster, but not elite WR1 good.

TVD is not only not taking the next positive steps in his development, he’s regressed.
 
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Rellyrell said:
How was he under utilized when he threw the ball more than he ever had? He avg. 31 & 33 attempts/game his last two yrs. I didn’t even include the extra 6 TDs he put up rushing the rock his last 2 yrs.
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I saw a dude who was a completely diff player w the chargers in game 2 (I think Taylor played in game 1 nd then got stabbed by the team doc). I was down on him as a pick when the fins went w tua. based on what I saw in the Oregon games I watched, he didnt look like the same player as he does in LA. now Im prolly wrong since you watch more pac 12 games, but in hindsight he looked like a much more elite talent than he did at Oregon
 
TemplarCane said:
I’m not counting week 1. Scored on all but one possession against BCC. Scrimmage.

The first half vs Southern Miss was bad. Came on late to score. Then took over second half. But we didn’t win by 40, so we suck. OL looked good last week. Ran the ball well, TVD wasn’t sacked. Couldn’t hit wide open receivers. And if he did, they dropped it.

As another name poster said, TVD throws a nice deep ball but was bailed out last season by Rambo quite often, and Harley. They’re gone and no one is taking their place. X is the best on the roster, but not elite WR1 good.

TVD is not only not taking the next positive steps in his development, he’s regressed.
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agreed. ponce apparently doesn't do anything. gattis doesn't w the Wrs.
 
hoops156 said:
garcia looked better but he didnt look all that special either. this offense will always waste the talent we have and underperform no matter who we recruit. now we know why WR recruits said **** you. also, all those former players on here who defend Mario, nah man your boy sucks ****. idgaf who you played under or played with. youre all part of the problem at this point by propping another fraud up
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He looked special on that first series.

You know what MTSU did? They said woah, this kid can sling it and they backed up, dropping two safeties after that. They quit crowding the line and when it looked like they would, they backed off from the pre snap alignment. They mixed in a couple of blitzes, but they played to stop his passing. They didn't do that with TVD in.

That's coaching, glad one side was doing it, just wish it was us. They had the lead, they had that luxury as we had to play catchup with a clock winding down. Should've come in after the second INT.

I agree on the rest, but Garcia's hand was forced and throwing into the heart of their defense. Just like Gattis ran into it or had TVD sitting back waiting on slow developing routes with guys bearing down on him.

What a mess.
 
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