Our Glorious Athletic Director

[tokengator]

What is the harm of a feasibility study? I am sure bomb can condescendingly offer a myriad of reasons why a feasibility study is an awful idea, but anyone that doesn't jerk off to their own words on a computer screen have any reasons why a feasibility study is a bad idea?

 

[MGreen26]

Did you explore this? Don't buy the tropical park land. Build the stadium and have a 99yr lease at 1$ a year. The city/county would not say no to that. The school would also agree to let the city/county use the facility numerous times a year at no costs. It only takes a will and creative hard working minds. Saying it's too hard is unacceptable. Nothing worthwhile is easy.

A land lease would benefit everyone.

Bingo. All of 60 seconds to come up with. What grade did Double Penetration 305 get?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

i don't remember exact figures because this was 3 years ago, but tropical park would be the cost of the land, the cost of stadium construction, and somewhere around $14-20 million from the state to build direct on/off ramps to the stadium site off of the 826 to prevent bird and miller from clogging up. baylor's new stadium cost $266 million to build. it seats just under 45k and is probably the closest thing to what we need that we can judge costs from. i don't know what the construction cost index is for miami compared to waco, but it's definitely more expensive. also tropical park would come at extortion prices because the city has no reason to sell the land and we have no leverage to get it.

the other sites past the hammocks on the west side of the city were the cost of land, stadium construction costs, $125-175 million from the state alone to construct/expand new roads, and we actually ended up losing count of the property values of what would need to be demolished in order to widen the roads enough (it was in the hundreds of millions). that's all discounting the inevitable lawsuits from displaced businesses and homes if the state were to somehow claim eminent domain over those properties for highway road construction, which would also be fought tooth and nail by the city to begin with.

the biggest problem that we have isn't the fundraising, it's the politics. the lands out west would require the state to justify spending tons of money to displace homes and businesses as well as build roads to a stadium that would suit our needs, but isn't big enough to be a premier venue for shows/events. the potential for revenue at a site on the remote outskirts of the city isn't as high as it is at the existing stadium (sun life). tropical park is municipal and buying city land like that, especially that much prime property in the middle of an urban area, is a battle in itself. like i said, it's not impossible, but you'd have to find the right person to lobby to the right politicians, have the right timing, and have the business plan to make it a profitable venture.

Your posts have generally been of the ****** variety. This one however deserves it's kudos.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Did you explore this? Don't buy the tropical park land. Build the stadium and have a 99yr lease at 1$ a year. The city/county would not say no to that. The school would also agree to let the city/county use the facility numerous times a year at no costs. It only takes a will and creative hard working minds. Saying it's too hard is unacceptable. Nothing worthwhile is easy.

A land lease would benefit everyone.

Bingo. All of 60 seconds to come up with. What grade did Double Penetration 305 get?

the problem with a land lease is that the city still has the leverage and they'll still gouge. we need their cooperation more than they need ours. they could just lease us enough land for the stadium itself, but keep the controlling interest of the parking lots, which are a huge revenue generator (which is a reason why the orange bowl lease sucked so bad for us). they could (and should if they are smart) also charge a percentage of our annual revenue per terms of the lease, then collect city tax revenue on top of that. if we buy the land, we only have to pay the tax to them. they're not going to give us a lease for some negligible amount because the park is still popular with the public. if you're going to put together a capital campaign for a stadium, you play for keeps.

 

[canefanforlife1]

I loved it when he said that tennis is just as important as football.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

I loved it when he said that tennis is just as important as football.

Not surprising. They introduced a tennis player at the game last Saturday night. Blake stood alongside him and looked immensely happy and proud.

Actually I wouldn't mind if they introduced tennis players or Hooters Girls at every home game instead of that asinine Dance For Your Dinner.

 

[NVA CANE]

I loved it when he said that tennis is just as important as football.

Did he really say that?

LMAO

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

What is the harm of a feasibility study? I am sure bomb can condescendingly offer a myriad of reasons why a feasibility study is an awful idea, but anyone that doesn't jerk off to their own words on a computer screen have any reasons why a feasibility study is a bad idea?

You're assuming that they've never done a feasibility study before.


My guess is that they probably have...likely many times over.

 

[NVA CANE]

So James couldn't have done what beckham did? He couldn't explore options, talk to potential interested parties such as MLS to see if they wanted to expand to the Miami market and build a stadium together to offset some of the cost. The guy sat around and when beckham came around tried to ride on his coattails to get a stadium done. Yet he himself never thought to put an exploratory committee together to find out how it can be done?

The clown show from the athletic department to some of the people on here making excuses is mind blowing. The least he can do is be proactive and thoroughly explore the idea. But to sit around and wait for someone to do something cause you're too lazy or incompetent to do it is indefensible. At this point I'm not surprised. Between football, baseball and Blake James the sports programs are going nowhere fast. They were lucky coach L contacted them otherwise basketball would be a **** show too.

I will give him credit for a lot of the upgrades that have been done recently.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

LOL@ Pentagoncane, coming off like your typical delusional government douchebag.



Glad our country is the hands of the likes of people like you

Ive got a fist in my ***

.

Not cool dude, not cool.

 

[Classic]

This board has been insufferable, but great posts here by db.

Half the people calling for a feasibility study here have had to copy and paste the term to maintain its proper spelling. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been done. And if UM was smart, they'd have a bunch of smart, ambitious, and incentivized grad students turn in a bunch of feasibility studies -- see if any young, bright minds had any ideas they may have missed -- and at absolutely no cost to them!

/ohwait

 

[MGreen26]

Did you explore this? Don't buy the tropical park land. Build the stadium and have a 99yr lease at 1$ a year. The city/county would not say no to that. The school would also agree to let the city/county use the facility numerous times a year at no costs. It only takes a will and creative hard working minds. Saying it's too hard is unacceptable. Nothing worthwhile is easy.

A land lease would benefit everyone.

Bingo. All of 60 seconds to come up with. What grade did Double Penetration 305 get?

the problem with a land lease is that the city still has the leverage and they'll still gouge. we need their cooperation more than they need ours. they could just lease us enough land for the stadium itself, but keep the controlling interest of the parking lots, which are a huge revenue generator (which is a reason why the orange bowl lease sucked so bad for us). they could (and should if they are smart) also charge a percentage of our annual revenue per terms of the lease, then collect city tax revenue on top of that. if we buy the land, we only have to pay the tax to them. they're not going to give us a lease for some negligible amount because the park is still popular with the public. if you're going to put together a capital campaign for a stadium, you play for keeps.

This makes no sense. If the school agrees to build, it has all the leverage. It won't build and fund the project if the terms aren't right. Tropical park makes no money right now other than Sandra's enchanted. The stadium would go where the current football field there is. High schools could still use it (that would be incredible for recruiting). Miami would get all the rake for 7 games a year. The city would get all the money for every other event. There is only upside on that deal on both ends. How again would the city have leverage to say no to that? If the terms aren't right um would say pound sand find someone else to build a facility u can use to hold events and make a pile of money.

 

[dk72]

i'd love to know where you geniuses would put a stadium, even if we had the money for it. tropical park is the only place that solves the distance from campus issue along with having the infrastructure to handle stadium traffic, but you'd have to somehow pry it out of the city's hands first. and before some ****** says the land that we sold by the zoo would have worked, that land is having enough trouble getting a **** walmart put on it because of environmental reasons.

"Anything difficult is not worth doing."

- db305

"i have no intelligent answer, so i'll be a snarky **** instead."

-consigliere

i'd like to hear one reasonable/feasible solution to the problem.

My response displays the stupidity of your argument. Nobody thinks this would be easy. We expect a lot of hard work.

The zoo would have worked. Tropical park would work. It depends on the school getting serious enough to get it done and LEADING. We had a President that had enough pull and persuasion to get this done. We never tired (even when we owned the land), we never wanted it at relevant levels.

You want more land....start a feasibility study because our AD ain't doing chit.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18766259/SW-232-Street-SW-112-Avenue-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18712507/SW-204th-Avenue-and-SW-208th-Street-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18689413/miami-dade-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18455975/3565-NW-36-ST-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18413378/6950-NW-7-Street-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18396836/7800-SW-196-Cutler-Bay-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18361087/SW-157-Ave-and-SW-127-Street-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18341583/10001-SW-240th-STREET-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18230534/19500-South-Dixie-Highway-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18111617/136th-St-SW-157th-Ave-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18081918/2400-SW-157th-Ave-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18081945/Krome-Ave-SW-47th-St-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17679611/SW-133rd-Ave-232nd-St-Miami-FL/

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17144157/NW-14th-ST-and-NW-122th-AVE-Miami-FL/

first of all, sunlife and its parking lots sit on 160 acres. say we wanted to reduce everything down by 1/3, that gives us about 106 acres (give or take) to fit our stadium site. if the stadium isn't close to a highway, we would have to get the state to build a stretch in order to handle stadium traffic. in 2008, highway construction costs were $2.4-6.9 million/lane/mile. so if you go with the median of $4.65 million/lane/mile and build a minimalist 4-lane highway (2 lanes each way), that's $18.6 million/mile of road that the state of florida has to fund, not including having to purchase the properties or the demolition costs needed to make the roads. let's go down your list of proposed properties:

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18766259/SW-232-Street-SW-112-Avenue-Miami-FL/
80 acres and 17 miles from campus. could be viable. size could work in a pinch, good location off of the 821. however, it solves no distance issues.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18712507/SW-204th-Avenue-and-SW-208th-Street-Miami-FL/
13 acres (lol) and 24 miles from campus. solves no issues with distance and would require building at least 10 miles of highway to handle traffic (~$186 million from the state to build highway).

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18689413/miami-dade-Miami-FL/
all of the properties on this link add up to 100 acres, but they're spread around miami-dade and are not a single plot of land.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18455975/3565-NW-36-ST-Miami-FL/
10 acres. half of a stadium wouldn't fit on the land.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18413378/6950-NW-7-Street-Miami-FL/
7 acres on an irregularly-shaped piece of land. stadium won't fit.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18396836/7800-SW-196-Cutler-Bay-FL/
38 acres (properties around it could conceivably be purchased so i won't discount property space) but would require building a 4 mile stretch of highway over/through a densely-populated area (~$74.4 million from state to build highway). google directions from that property to the nearest highway. not a chance.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18361087/SW-157-Ave-and-SW-127-Street-Miami-FL/
10 acres (same exception for space as the cutler bay area since it's all fields around it). 13 miles from campus but would also require building a 4 mile stretch of highway over/through a densely-populated area (~$74.4 million from state to build highway). refer to problem with cutler bay.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18341583/10001-SW-240th-STREET-Miami-FL/
40 acres. 26 miles away from campus. solves nothing.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18230534/19500-South-Dixie-Highway-Miami-FL/
10 acres surrounded by businesses and residential property. stadium won't fit. if you're talking about the plot that sits slightly to the northwest of the address in the link, fiu's stadium would barely squeeze into that space. won't work.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18111617/136th-St-SW-157th-Ave-Miami-FL/
same as the other property that you listed next to tamiami airport.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18081918/2400-SW-157th-Ave-Miami-FL/
10 acres (same exception for space as the cutler bay area since it's all fields to the north and west). 11 miles from campus. would also require building a 5-6 mile stretch of highway over/through a densely-populated area (~$102.3 million from state to build highway). refer to problem with cutler bay.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/18081945/Krome-Ave-SW-47th-St-Miami-FL/
plenty of land around it, so space is not an issue. but, it's 16.3 miles from campus, 9 miles from the nearest highway. solves no problems of distance.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17679611/SW-133rd-Ave-232nd-St-Miami-FL/
35 acres on 2 plots. won't fit.

http://www.loopnet.com/Listing/17144157/NW-14th-ST-and-NW-122th-AVE-Miami-FL/
10 acres with room to expand if surrounding properties are purchased. could be viable but is still 14 miles from campus, so distance issues are not solved. on the end of the 836 so no issues with the highway.

so there's a rundown of the properties that you posted. out of 14 properties, you've given 2 potentially viable options: 1 that might work as-is, but is 17 miles from campus, and another that would require purchasing 10 times more land and is 14 miles from campus. so, again, please give a feasible solution that solves the problems of distance, infrastructure, and size.

The amusing thing is they act as if the stadium issue hasn't been discussed and examined internally for many years now. The only semi-possible site is Tropical Park, and that would require the city giving up a prized piece of park land and cutting a fair deal with the University, neither scenario which is realistic given the popularity of the park, the economics of it, and the city's attitude towards the school.

 

[dk72]

i don't remember exact figures because this was 3 years ago, but tropical park would be the cost of the land, the cost of stadium construction, and somewhere around $14-20 million from the state to build direct on/off ramps to the stadium site off of the 826 to prevent bird and miller from clogging up. baylor's new stadium cost $266 million to build. it seats just under 45k and is probably the closest thing to what we need that we can judge costs from. i don't know what the construction cost index is for miami compared to waco, but it's definitely more expensive. also tropical park would come at extortion prices because the city has no reason to sell the land and we have no leverage to get it.

the other sites past the hammocks on the west side of the city were the cost of land, stadium construction costs, $125-175 million from the state alone to construct/expand new roads, and we actually ended up losing count of the property values of what would need to be demolished in order to widen the roads enough (it was in the hundreds of millions). that's all discounting the inevitable lawsuits from displaced businesses and homes if the state were to somehow claim eminent domain over those properties for highway road construction, which would also be fought tooth and nail by the city to begin with.

the biggest problem that we have isn't the fundraising, it's the politics. the lands out west would require the state to justify spending tons of money to displace homes and businesses as well as build roads to a stadium that would suit our needs, but isn't big enough to be a premier venue for shows/events. the potential for revenue at a site on the remote outskirts of the city isn't as high as it is at the existing stadium (sun life). tropical park is municipal and buying city land like that, especially that much prime property in the middle of an urban area, is a battle in itself. like i said, it's not impossible, but you'd have to find the right person to lobby to the right politicians, have the right timing, and have the business plan to make it a profitable venture.

"also tropical park would come at extortion prices because the city has no reason to sell the land and we have no leverage to get it."

Exactly, and that is a huge, key issue. Baylor and other such schools that got their mid-sized stadiums built have one large advantage over us. Their cities or metro areas actually work with them and view them as partners. Miami-Dade is an extremely corrupt government and business atmosphere that would ***** over their grandmothers when cutting a deal. They have no loyalty to, or interest in, UM unless they can skim a lot off the top. The OB issue was fully and completely on the city. There's no reason to believe they would be any less cut throat when it comes to any other land they own.

 

[Hegemon]

Are people really saying the Renovations at Sunlife are good for Miami football?

Dumb is dumb.

Tulane is about to play their first game at their NEW STADIUM in arguably a tougher spot to put a stadium. We need a place of our own. Period point blank.

 

[dk72]

Not just a stadium issue. This eunuch sucks dck tip to sack.

Examples. Needed coach L to beg for job.
Extends Morris prior to post season
Hasn't fired Gorlden.

Complete incompetent Dck bag

Wow, you whiny mopers have a serious fascination with ****s and sucking. I've never seen it brought up as frequently as when you guys post. You know, I'm sure the internet has special sites where you can expound on your fantasies on more appropriate boards...and maybe you'll even pick someone up that way.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Are people really saying the Renovations at Sunlife are good for Miami football?

Dumb is dumb.

Tulane is about to play their first game at their NEW STADIUM in arguably a tougher spot to put a stadium. We need a place of our own. Period point blank.

Groundbreaking comments. Cutting edge. Now, do you have a plan for getting that place of our own?

 

[Hegemon]

Are people really saying the Renovations at Sunlife are good for Miami football?

Dumb is dumb.

Tulane is about to play their first game at their NEW STADIUM in arguably a tougher spot to put a stadium. We need a place of our own. Period point blank.

Groundbreaking comments. Cutting edge. Now, do you have a plan for getting that place of our own?

Why should I have plans? Explain this to me. Everyone else in the country is moving forward and we're not even ATTEMPTING it. In fact our AD is so ***** made he thinks someone is going to walk up to his door with a pre-made stadium to be built.

I take it your a Golden support as well.

That's ok he'll fail all by himself.

 

[The Franchise]

Are people really saying the Renovations at Sunlife are good for Miami football?

Dumb is dumb.

Tulane is about to play their first game at their NEW STADIUM in arguably a tougher spot to put a stadium. We need a place of our own. Period point blank.

Groundbreaking comments. Cutting edge. Now, do you have a plan for getting that place of our own?

Why should I have plans? Explain this to me. Everyone else in the country is moving forward and we're not even ATTEMPTING it. In fact our AD is so ***** made he thinks someone is going to walk up to his door with a pre-made stadium to be built.

I take it your a Golden support as well.

That's ok he'll fail all by himself.

In dopey cane fan land, it's your job as the fan to get the stadium issue solved while Fake waits for the stadium fairy to drop $40M on him. The fans got stadiums for Tulane, UCF, Baylor, FAU and all the others. The athletics departments at those schools played no role.

 

[dk72]

Are people really saying the Renovations at Sunlife are good for Miami football?

Dumb is dumb.

Tulane is about to play their first game at their NEW STADIUM in arguably a tougher spot to put a stadium. We need a place of our own. Period point blank.

Groundbreaking comments. Cutting edge. Now, do you have a plan for getting that place of our own?

Why should I have plans? Explain this to me. Everyone else in the country is moving forward and we're not even ATTEMPTING it. In fact our AD is so ***** made he thinks someone is going to walk up to his door with a pre-made stadium to be built.

I take it your a Golden support as well.

That's ok he'll fail all by himself.

No, you're just so ignorant you think the university hasn't already looked into this issue. Blake's comments about the stadium and being open to someone presenting one to them was a semi-sarcastic remark aimed at people like you who keep bringing up the stadium issue as if it hasn't already been looked into.