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Number1CanesFan said:
WTF are you talking about? They DON'T recruit better. Not according to recruiting rankings and evaluations. They don't recruit anywhere close to Alabama. A full star difference. From 2015-2020, Wisconsin has had on 6 4-star offensive linemen and 4 of them were in the last 2 years. Meanwhile, Alabama has had 3 5-star and 18 4-star offensive linemen over the same period. Yet, Wisconsin puts nearly as many offensive linemen into the NFL as Alabama.

What Wisconsin does do is identify the traits that they can develop into top linemen. That can be duplicated.
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Numbnut THEY recruit OL better than....US

And can you stop with the stars in regards to OL. The scouts that are supposedly making them HAVE NO CLUE what to look for in OL. tHEY GIVE THEM STARS based off of their offer list (Hence any OL offered by Bama will be at minimum a 4 star) or if they may have seen them in one on ones in camp setting.

We suck...and we STILL are putting OL in the NFL. We just dont have cohesive units.

OL coming out of high school are the TOUGHEST to evaluate. Wisconsin does a better job than most in evaluations and development but they arent landing chop suey yearly...They are bringing in behemoths EVERY d*ckin class...and have their pick instate of whomever is the best year in year out.
 
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gogeta4 said:
They recuit better offensive lineman AND develop them. Im not sure whats your point.

They are in a part of the country where kids that size grow on trees, just like we are smack dab in the skill position capital in the country.

Under my analogy we should/would have a solid offensive line...but would be their 2nd year in this offensive system.

Wisconsin has been running the same offensive system for over 20 years....literally
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He legitimately thinks Wisconsin starting oline is full of 2 stars and boarderline 3 stars..that’s rarely if ever the case up there. They pull highly regarded linemen annually
 
JeddTheFisch said:
Bo Schembechler coached under Woody Hayes and was a GA at O$U. Gary Moeller played at O$U.

Didn't stop them from taking the Michigan job. If Michigan doubles Fickell's salary, he goes.
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Yeah, I know, but that was a long time ago.

Fickell makes $3.4M at Cincinnati. Michigan State offered him the job before they hired Mel Tucker, and Tucker makes $5.5M. Tells me Fickell turned down quite a lot of money and stayed in Cincinnati. But yes, the MSU job is not Michigan.

Many assume Dabo leaves a dynasty he built at Clemson for Alabama, just because he played there. I’ll assume Fickell waits for OSU unless Day clearly is staying there for the long run. Just because he played (and coached) there.
 
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305to954 said:
He legitimately thinks Wisconsin starting oline is full of 2 stars and boarderline 3 stars..that’s rarely if ever the case up there. They pull highly regarded linemen annually
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I mean and just says ...why dont we replicate that. Dont you think every program in the country wants that?. lol

I mean we could say the same thing like why doesnt Wisky produce TE'S like we do....they need to come down here and see what we are doing with TE's that make us forever have a big play te.

Their OL class right now is amazing....and going through their classes of the last 4 is a who's who of talent. I dont think they have even recruited an ol under 6'4 in like 5 +years.
 
TemplarCane said:
Yeah, I know, but that was a long time ago.

Fickell makes $3.4M at Cincinnati. Michigan State offered him the job before they hired Mel Tucker, and Tucker makes $5.5M. Tells me Fickell turned down quite a lot of money and stayed in Cincinnati. But yes, the MSU job is not Michigan.

Many assume Dabo leaves a dynasty he built for Alabama, just because he played there. I’ll assume Fickell waits for OSU unless Day clearly is staying there for the long run. Just because he played (and coached) there.
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He's gone when they want it. Their big time boosters will be all over him to be there. i think Fickell will sit at Cincy until osu opens as well, but i think Day gonna be there awhile
 
305to954 said:
He legitimately thinks Wisconsin starting oline is full of 2 stars and boarderline 3 stars..that’s rarely if ever the case up there. They pull highly regarded linemen annually
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I posted a pic with the 2021 OL commits for Wisconsin... far from 3*s lol.

The RB/OL groups at Wisconsin recruit at a higher level than other positions due to the history.

Undersized SoFla 3* DBs though... Wisconsin really likes them, and they seem to play well there. That 2020 SoFla class for Nebraska killed me because why not Wisconsin then? But then they all transferred out and the world made sense again.
 
gogeta4 said:
He's gone when they want it. Their big time boosters will be all over him to be there. i think Fickell will sit at Cincy until osu opens as well, but i think Day gonna be there awhile
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We’ll see. I don’t think Dabo leaves for money. He did grow up in Alabama, and I forgot that part of the equation.
 
TemplarCane said:
Yeah, I know, but that was a long time ago.

Fickell makes $3.4M at Cincinnati. Michigan State offered him the job before they hired Mel Tucker, and Tucker makes $5.5M. Tells me Fickell turned down quite a lot of money and stayed in Cincinnati. But yes, the MSU job is not Michigan.

Many assume Dabo leaves a dynasty he built at Clemson for Alabama, just because he played there. I’ll assume Fickell waits for OSU unless Day clearly is staying there for the long run. Just because he played (and coached) there.
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O$U will make it really, really hard for Day to leave.

We agree on Dabo. As long as Clemson matches whatever Baga offers, he's not leaving the house he built.

But money is still the most important thing in the world.
 
TemplarCane said:
We’ll see. I don’t think Dabo leaves for money. He did grow up in Alabama, and I forgot that part of the equation.
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It aint just money. All the big boosters want him...over 2 years ago a guy i know was already saying thats the main guy. Its basiclaly his job if he wants it after Saban
 
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Wisconsin's current starting O-line is 2 4*, 2 3*, and a walk on. Sure they have been pulling some highly rated linemen lately but its not like they have been recruiting the position like Bama for the past decade or anything.
 
gogeta4 said:
I mean and just says ...why dont we replicate that. Dont you think every program in the country wants that?. lol

I mean we could say the same thing like why doesnt Wisky produce TE'S like we do....they need to come down here and see what we are doing with TE's that make us forever have a big play te.

Their OL class right now is amazing....and going through their classes of the last 4 is a who's who of talent. I dont think they have even recruited an ol under 6'4 in like 5 +years.
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Exactly. I remember when Brett B killed us in the champs bowl and as soon as Shannon got fired ppl in our fan base wanted us to go grab him. He went to arky and tried to bring that whisky blueprint there. SEC wasn’t having it lol. That’s because he wasn’t able to get the same oline type of talent dwn there that was available in his backyard at Wisconsin.

The idea that we or anyone can look at a school from specific region that has success producing well at a position group that ties directly to what that region produces annually is utterly ridiculous
 
JeddTheFisch said:
O$U will make it really, really hard for Day to leave.

We agree on Dabo. As long as Clemson matches whatever Baga offers, he's not leaving the house he built.

But money is still the most important thing in the world.
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Yes, with today’s salaries. Day isn’t an OSU guy, he was just hired by Meyer. He’s coached in the NFL, and that exposure might lure him back. He’ll get offers annually until he takes one or the NFL gives up.

Alma Mater does pull at some people. Kirby Smart could have left Saban’s side any number of times but UGA was his dream job.
 
gogeta4 said:
Numbnut THEY recruit OL better than....US

And can you stop with the stars in regards to OL. The scouts that are supposedly making them HAVE NO CLUE what to look for in OL. tHEY GIVE THEM STARS based off of their offer list (Hence any OL offered by Bama will be at minimum a 4 star) or if they may have seen them in one on ones in camp setting.

We suck...and we STILL are putting OL in the NFL. We just dont have cohesive units.

OL coming out of high school are the TOUGHEST to evaluate. Wisconsin does a better job than most in evaluations and development but they arent landing chop suey yearly...They are bringing in behemoths EVERY d*ckin class...and have their pick instate of whomever is the best year in year
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gogeta4 said:
Numbnut THEY recruit OL better than....US

And can you stop with the stars in regards to OL. The scouts that are supposedly making them HAVE NO CLUE what to look for in OL. tHEY GIVE THEM STARS based off of their offer list (Hence any OL offered by Bama will be at minimum a 4 star) or if they may have seen them in one on ones in camp setting.

We suck...and we STILL are putting OL in the NFL. We just dont have cohesive units.

OL coming out of high school are the TOUGHEST to evaluate. Wisconsin does a better job than most in evaluations and development but they arent landing chop suey yearly...They are bringing in behemoths EVERY d*ckin class...and have their pick instate of whomever is the best year in year out.
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Evaluating and developing is not the same as recruiting talent.

For the record, from 2015-2020, Wisconsin has had 6 4-star offensive linemen. U of Miami has had 7 4-star offensive linemen.
 
gogeta4 said:
It aint just money. All the big boosters want him...over 2 years ago a guy i know was already saying thats the main guy. Its basiclaly his job if he wants it after Saban
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I agree, he won’t leave for money. I forgot he was born and raised in Birmingham, AL. Returning home would be the lure.
 
Wisconsin does not have 4 star OL classes. Look at the last 5 classes - about 1 per year. Most of their OL recruits are 3 star and very few of them are game ready day 1. Their success comes from understanding what body type they want (typically in the 270/280 range) and then gradually build them up. Their ideal is to field them their 3rd year after a few years of S&C and development. They have a great model and its effective.
 
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NorthFloridaCane said:
Wisconsin's current starting O-line is 2 4*, 2 3*, and a walk on. Sure they have been pulling some highly rated linemen lately but its not like they have been recruiting the position like Bama for the past decade or anything.
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Their walk ons are power 5 OL i dont know which part you guys dont get about that?. Their 3 star guys are IN STATE wisconsin kids..they(recruiting websites) cant just justify having alot of 4-5 star in state wisconsin Ol so alot of guys will be underrated in state. Saying a guy was a 3 star means what exactly when were talking about an in coming 6'6 280-290 pound kid?. Is Zion Nelson better than Kai Herbert out the gate?. Herbert had a Mich offer,,uf offer and i told folks he wouldnt play here for at minimum 2 years based off me seeing him play 5+ games in high school

They have been recruiting the position better than Bama pass a decade...again like i said if an ol gets a bama offer he is automaticlaly a 4 or 5 star regardless of how good he really is..the star rating is based off of subscriptions/fan base.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
Evaluating and developing is not the same as recruiting talent.

For the record, from 2015-2020, Wisconsin has had 6 4-star offensive linemen. U of Miami has had 7 4-star offensive linemen.
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For the record....You dont base ol talent off of star ratings. Thats the part YOU dont get. Star ratings are based off of fan base/subscriptions.

If you think we are recruiting the same type of OL your gravely mistaken. Kai Herbert was like a 4 star and I came on here and told everyone he wouldnt play here for a minimum of 2 years after seeing him play 5+ games. The rating was purely based off of supposed offers.

Wisconsin walk on players are power 5 or group of 5 level OL.
 
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AUcane said:
Wisconsin does not have 4 star OL classes. Look at the last 5 classes - about 1 per year. Most of their OL recruits are 3 star and very few of them are game ready day 1. Their success comes from understanding what body type they want (typically in the 270/280 range) and then gradually build them up. Their ideal is to field them their 3rd year after a few years of S&C and development. They have a great model and its effective.
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This is a myth. They land 5 star OL's in that 5 class span. There 3 star RECRUITS are IN STATE Wisconsin kids who are 4 stars+ out of state..but get the wisky offer and commit. Its like the same saying we have when we speak of a s.fla 3 star. The recruiting services wont be able to justify the state of wisconsin having multiple 4 star-5 star ol recruits.

But they do have a body type that they want and get. I agree. They recruit the Zion Nelson/Chris Washington types over the bigger fat ol.
 
Jon Feliciano is a recent Hurricane that I think compares well to the kind of player Wisconsin might recruit. Only a 3* by the recruiting services but had a solid college and pro career so far.
 
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