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CreamCityCane said:
Jon Feliciano is a recent Hurricane that I think compares well to the kind of player Wisconsin might recruit. Only a 3* by the recruiting services but had a solid college and pro career so far.
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And he was definately not a 3 star level ol but only one because of offer list. And like th wisky ol he craved a um offer got it and thats was it. Kid wasnt camping and in search of big time offers
 
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gogeta4 said:
This is a myth. They land 5 star OL's in that 5 class span. There 3 star RECRUITS are IN STATE Wisconsin kids who are 4 stars+ out of state..but get the wisky offer and commit. Its like the same saying we have when we speak of a s.fla 3 star. The recruiting services wont be able to justify the state of wisconsin having multiple 4 star-5 star ol recruits.

But they do have a body type that they want and get. I agree. They recruit the Zion Nelson/Chris Washington types over the bigger fat ol.
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I went back to 2015 and didn't see a single 5 star recruit.
 
gogeta4 said:
Their walk ons are power 5 OL i dont know which part you guys dont get about that?. Their 3 star guys are IN STATE wisconsin kids..they(recruiting websites) cant just justify having alot of 4-5 star in state wisconsin Ol so alot of guys will be underrated in state. Saying a guy was a 3 star means what exactly when were talking about an in coming 6'6 280-290 pound kid?. Is Zion Nelson better than Kai Herbert out the gate?. Herbert had a Mich offer,,uf offer and i told folks he wouldnt play here for at minimum 2 years based off me seeing him play 5+ games in high school

They have been recruiting the position better than Bama pass a decade...again like i said if an ol gets a bama offer he is automaticlaly a 4 or 5 star regardless of how good he really is..the star rating is based off of subscriptions/fan base.
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Lmao the difference is they can develop their players not that they have some magical well of highly talented players the recruiting services wont give 5 star ratings to. They have a guy starting on their line that literally didnt have a single scholarship offer.
 
NorthFloridaCane said:
Lmao the difference is they can develop their players not that they have some magical well of highly talented players the recruiting services wont give 5 star ratings to. They have a guy starting on their line that literally didnt have a single scholarship offer.
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No sh*t and he probably is an instate wisconsin kid.

*They are bringing in Highly Talented players. The recruiting services have a hard time evaluating OL these are facts.

* Just went an checked...who's the guy starting without a scholarship offer?.
 
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AUcane said:
I went back to 2015 and didn't see a single 5 star recruit.
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Shoulda looked at this year to start. They have 3 OT's committed all above 6'7 and 275 pounds with 1 being a 5 star and the other 2 4 stars.

2020 they signed this IN STATE:
https://247sports.com/player/trey-wedig-46048454/
https://247sports.com/player/jack-nelson-46049650/

2019: They signed the #1 Tackle in America. https://247sports.com/player/logan-brown-45572566/
He's currently fighting to be on their 2 deep. A 5 star recruit
Along with this 4 star https://247sports.com/player/joe-tippmann-46041037/
 
Out of curiosity who would be in a short list for Meeeechigan?

I would figure Matt Campbell would be a blank check which would suck for us because he’ll definitely will be down here recruiting.

Fickell and Napier?

Lance Leipold because he has experience in the Great Lakes area?
 
gogeta4 said:
Shoulda looked at this year to start. They have 3 OT's committed all above 6'7 and 275 pounds with 1 being a 5 star and the other 2 4 stars.

2020 they signed this IN STATE:
https://247sports.com/player/trey-wedig-46048454/
https://247sports.com/player/jack-nelson-46049650/

2019: They signed the #1 Tackle in America. https://247sports.com/player/logan-brown-45572566/
He's currently fighting to be on their 2 deep. A 5 star recruit
Along with this 4 star https://247sports.com/player/joe-tippmann-46041037/
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Duly noted - I was looking at rivals.
 
gogeta4 said:
2019: They signed the #1 Tackle in America. https://247sports.com/player/logan-brown-45572566/
He's currently fighting to be on their 2 deep. A 5 star recruit
Along with this 4 star https://247sports.com/player/joe-tippmann-46041037/
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I forgot about Logan Brown since he took a shirt last year but some of his hudl highlights I just laughed at how badly he would wreck kids.



He's behind Cole Van Lanen at LT this year (2019 Second Team All Big Ten, 2020 preseason on a few first / second team AA lists)
 
gogeta4 said:
No sh*t and he probably is an instate wisconsin kid.

*They are bringing in Highly Talented players. The recruiting services have a hard time evaluating OL these are facts.

* Just went an checked...who's the guy starting without a scholarship offer?.
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They are developing Highly Talented players. Its the exact same thing we could be doing here but our guys play 4 seasons and dont get any better.

Josh Seltzner, the starting LG was a 2 star recruit with no D1 offers, Wisconsin took him as a walk on. Did the entirety of D1 football conspire to make sure Wisconsin could get this highly talented player as a walk on, or did Wisconsin develop an essential nobody in to a starting power 5 lineman?
 
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NorthFloridaCane said:
They are developing Highly Talented players. Its the exact same thing we could be doing here but our guys play 4 seasons and dont get any better.

Josh Seltzner, the starting LG was a 2 star recruit with no D1 offers, Wisconsin took him as a walk on. Did the entirety of D1 football conspire to make sure Wisconsin could get this highly talented player as a walk on, or did Wisconsin develop an essential nobody in to a starting power 5 lineman?
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EXCEPT IT ISNT THE EXACT SAME THING WE WOULD BE DOING HERE. **** its a reason its not even being done every where in there own conference let alone here.



*He was a 2 star recruit, essentially what Zion Nelson was before we offered him...so im just gonna say we developed an essential nobody into a starting power 5 ol as a true freshman as well. Kid is from 30 mins away from campus. Kid is/was likely at minimum a group of 5 player but likely had no interest in going anywhere but wisconsin.

* Its already been stated that Wisconsin has a pretty decent walk on program...something we could NEVER have here and only dream of. They will always be able to get 2 and even border line 3 star kids to come there and walk on as in state kids. Our walkons for the most part are kids that barely even started in high school...or if they did played at sh*t programs.

Imagine us being able to have a kid like Tim Burns walk on instead of going to an fau or a kid like T.Y. Hilton. Its essentially what they get up there in the walk on program.

They develop guys....ive already agreed to that..but the base was and has been set there for over 2 decades....AND THEY ARE RUNNING THE SAME OFFENSIVE SCHEME FOR THAT LONG. We barely can run the same offense year to year. They likely will have like 30 years of Wisconsin guys as HC's as Leonard likely is head coach in waiting currently. Lot of stability up there and i like tht about them.

Another thing i can only think of maybe 2 kids that we have gotten on the OL that they even recruited. Seantrel Henderson (who is from up there way and recruiting region) and Danny Isadora. We dont even recruit the same guys. Our area seldom produces the frames they covet. Just like there isnt any quick twitch athletes up there. They come down here for it. We recruited one of the starters on their ol...and had NO CHANCE of getting him
 
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Seltzner was all state as a football and track & field athlete, also played basketball in HS.

Was not a camp circuit kid, but was known within the state. That’s true of lots of in-state kids here. They dream of playing OL at Wisconsin, they do the UW camp to get their offer and they don’t care to do any more.

How many college coaches are going out to the middle of no where Wisconsin to see a HS game with only a single D1 prospect that they would then have to convince not to go to Wisconsin? That’s like pulling a Louisiana DB from LSU...

Do scouting services put in as much time watching tape on guys who don’t camp and don’t play for college feeder HS? That’s a legit question, I don’t know...

I don’t think there is a conspiracy to underrate these kids, but there are reasonable explanations why talented players could be under the radar nationally.
 
At UW, you will get, as a normal part of the student body, at least a fair percentage of 6'3+ 280 pound OL dudes. They are everywhere in that area, and it's not surprising that some can function as walk-ons. It's 43,000+ undergrads, 50% instate (most are from the surrounding states anyway, i.e. Michigan, IL, Minnesota). So at worst they have ~10,000 males from Wisconsin to find talent from in the student body.

At UM, we don't have that luxury. Only 30% of our student pop is even from Florida, not exactly a hotbed of OL body types. We have 11,000 undergrads, and 47% males, so at best 1500 males to find talent from, and most are likely Hispanic/wealthy/nerds etc, not the 6'5 300lb cornfed boys or 6'1 CBs...
 
gogeta4 said:
They develop guys....ive already agreed to that..but the base was and has been set there for over 2 decades....AND THEY ARE RUNNING THE SAME OFFENSIVE SCHEME FOR THAT LONG. We barely can run the same offense year to year. They likely will have like 30 years of Wisconsin guys as HC's as Leonard likely is head coach in waiting currently. Lot of stability up there and i like tht about them.
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The continuity of the scheme is huge up here. Wisconsin is the only D1 team in the state... where do you think all the HS coaches go for clinics? The HS coaches are teaching their players what Wisconsin teaches them. Guys get on campus with the fundamentals in place which helps with that development aspect.

For Basketball fans the same thing happened with Bo Ryan’s swing offense at Wisconsin. It’s basically the default HS basketball scheme in the state now.
 
dstuart4 said:
DC Don Brown gone be lookin' for job come the late December. Worth kickin'
the tires on? How much of the blame does he shoulder for Michigan's performance? The wolverines HC looks like Mork in 2018, Zombified.
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Every Michigan fan wants Don Brown fired. He's over the hill at this point and is making Blake Baker look like Nick Saban.

Plus he doesn't recruit. No thanks, we can find someone with more upside than him
 
CreamCityCane said:
Seltzner was all state as a football and track & field athlete, also played basketball in HS.

Was not a camp circuit kid, but was known within the state. That’s true of lots of in-state kids here. They dream of playing OL at Wisconsin, they do the UW camp to get their offer and they don’t care to do any more.

How many college coaches are going out to the middle of no where Wisconsin to see a HS game with only a single D1 prospect that they would then have to convince not to go to Wisconsin? That’s like pulling a Louisiana DB from LSU...

Do scouting services put in as much time watching tape on guys who don’t camp and don’t play for college feeder HS? That’s a legit question, I don’t know...

I don’t think there is a conspiracy to underrate these kids, but there are reasonable explanations why talented players could be under the radar nationally.
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if college recruiters dont really go out there ...the scouting services definately wont even know much about a kid like that.

You understand what im trying to say...that state is loaded with 3 and 4 star OL that will be severely underrated and who only care about going to wisky. For whatever reason alot of fans are thinking wisconsin are recruiting avg ol players and creating those monsters. They are bringing in MONSTERS yearly...and bringing in guys like Jakai Clark and Corey Gaynor as walk ons.
 
futurecane said:
At UW, you will get, as a normal part of the student body, at least a fair percentage of 6'3+ 280 pound OL dudes. They are everywhere in that area, and it's not surprising that some can function as walk-ons. It's 43,000+ undergrads, 50% instate (most are from the surrounding states anyway, i.e. Michigan, IL, Minnesota). So at worst they have ~10,000 males from Wisconsin to find talent from in the student body.

At UM, we don't have that luxury. Only 30% of our student pop is even from Florida, not exactly a hotbed of OL body types. We have 11,000 undergrads, and 47% males, so at best 1500 males to find talent from, and most are likely Hispanic/wealthy/nerds etc, not the 6'5 300lb cornfed boys or 6'1 CBs...
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Not just that...THE COST OF UM is where the problem lies as well. We arent a state school...are walk ons have to have like 4.0 gpa's and 1200 sat's an sh*t.
Add to it we got like 6-7 div 1 teams in state that would kindly offer a scholie or walk on spot. Being able to mine ol talent here through walk on program is extremely difficult. At Wisconsin its very easy to complete
 
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CreamCityCane said:
The continuity of the scheme is huge up here. Wisconsin is the only D1 team in the state... where do you think all the HS coaches go for clinics? The HS coaches are teaching their players what Wisconsin teaches them. Guys get on campus with the fundamentals in place which helps with that development aspect.

For Basketball fans the same thing happened with Bo Ryan’s swing offense at Wisconsin. It’s basically the default HS basketball scheme in the state now.
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Im gonna need you to mind and post some class of 2022 and beyond OL talent and post em on this board @CreamCityCane. Some DL talent as well
 
gogeta4 said:
Not just that...THE COST OF UM is where the problem lies as well. We arent a state school...are walk ons have to have like 4.0 gpa's and 1200 sat's an sh*t.
Add to it we got like 6-7 div 1 teams in state that would kindly offer a scholie or walk on spot. Being able to mine ol talent here through walk on program is extremely difficult. At Wisconsin its very easy to complete
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That's why I mentioned the wealthy/nerd bit at the end, on top of the sheer demographics issues (our pool of football talent doesn't really reflect in our student body), UM is so **** expensive that the 1* WR from Liberty City isn't coming here.
 
I'm 6'2" and weigh about 190. In Miami when I walk into a bar or restaurant I'm usually one of the tallest guys in the room. A couple of years ago when we went to Chicago, it felt like half the chicks were my size and i fit in the shirt pocket of the dudes they were with.

Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa and the rest have offensive line size guys every where you look. It's completely different than here.
 
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