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(OT)... What schools produce the worst NFL talent other than ohio st. At the QB position??? (It can be any postion besides QB)

TerragonSix said:
The only Gator NFL standouts I can think of are Emmitt Smith and Aaron Hernandez. Tim Tebow was not an NFL standout; and could've stayed in the league as a FB or TE if he checked his ego.

I'm not trying to be anti-gator; I think those are the two best NFL prospects the Florida Gators ever put in that were all-pro, and correct me if I'm wrong.

I can think of way more FSU guys that turned out to be pretty good. Two of whom are HOF's.
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Aaron Hernandez would have been a borderline all-pro if not for his brain.

Dude had stage 3-4 CTE. That means, you have the brain of an 80-year old at minimum.
 
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Every college offense is “gimmicky” compared to NFL offenses because the rules are different. Colleges run a ton of screens and swing passes because the rules on linemen downfield are different. NCAA football allows ineligible receivers up to three yards downfield on a passing play before the ball is thrown. The NFL only allows one yard. When your linemen are allowed to essentially run block on a pass play, it only makes sense to use the horizontal passing game as much as possible. If you can get blockers out in front of your receiver before you even have to throw the ball, it’s simple pitch and catch. It’s why RPOs are much more common in college. The line ALWAYS run blocks on an RPO so the QB can hold the ball at the mesh point longer since his guys can go up to three yards downfield if he decides to pull it out and pass. Defense in the NFL is easier because the lines cannot fire out on a pass play. If the lineman is going forward at the snap, it’s a run. If the lineman drops backwards at the snap it’s a pass or draw.
 
canes732 said:
I’m so happy he failed only for one reason only when my giants picked Daniel Jones some considered the pick Racist for picking DJ over that Bumass Haskins. Love it knew he was a bum. Saw that from a mile away
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Lol as shocking as it was, you guys made the right decision.
 
Dwinstitles said:
I would not touch him if I'm an NFL franchise. OSU at calling is elite so those qbs look amazing and they are superior to their whole conference in terms of talent.
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I agree. He actually probably would've benefited if he opted out and just rode his success from last yr lol. But we all could see it was mostly because of the talent around him.
 
DTP said:
Every college offense is “gimmicky” compared to NFL offenses because the rules are different. Colleges run a ton of screens and swing passes because the rules on linemen downfield are different. NCAA football allows ineligible receivers up to three yards downfield on a passing play before the ball is thrown. The NFL only allows one yard. When your linemen are allowed to essentially run block on a pass play, it only makes sense to use the horizontal passing game as much as possible. If you can get blockers out in front of your receiver before you even have to throw the ball, it’s simple pitch and catch. It’s why RPOs are much more common in college. The line ALWAYS run blocks on an RPO so the QB can hold the ball at the mesh point longer since his guys can go up to three yards downfield if he decides to pull it out and pass. Defense in the NFL is easier because the lines cannot fire out on a pass play. If the lineman is going forward at the snap, it’s a run. If the lineman drops backwards at the snap it’s a pass or draw.
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I actually didn't know the ineligible receiver rule was different in college from the nfl. That's interesting and I always wondered why pro teams don't use RPOs as much seeing how successful it works in college.
 
Liberty City El said:
BYU & Cal have a better track record of putting good QB’s in the NFL than Oh St.

USC is QB Bust U IMO though, most people will say Carson palmer was their only saving grace, but IMO Palmer was supremely overrated, but even so still, Palmer is miles ahead of any Oh St QB I can even think of in recent memory that was halfway decent in the league.

I suppose you could count Joe Burrow for them even though he was a LSU transfer, but otherwise I can’t think of a school that’s produced worse QB’s historically.

Poor Troy Smith, if the league was more QB run friendly back during his time like it is now he might’ve been solid in a scheme that catered more to his skill set, as a Ravens fan I remember when we drafted him in the 5th round, we had actually planned on giving him shot because he was coming in after Steve McNair had just retired & the trash *** Kyle Boller era was coming to an end, but then after we hired Harbaugh & drafted Flacco he got diagnosed with some kinda rare disease & had to sit out for awhile, then Flacc played as a rookie & the rest was history. Plus Troy, while being a good runner was pretty awful as a passer.

Same with Terrelle Pryor, very good athlete with no arm talent, hence why he got moved to WR.
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It aint just recent with osu* its historically. they've never produced anything at QB. the only qb they've produced that warranted multi year starts in the NFL was mike tomczak and he was basically a back up. They had the gambler in the early 80's but he was a POS and ended up in prison.

Sticking with the big ten and Michigan...when have they ever produced a S worth anything? I remember when people were saying tripp welborne would be an NFL star I would laugh my *** off. dude was flat trash, one of the most overrated players Ive ever seen.
 
canes732 said:
I’m so happy he failed only for one reason only when my giants picked Daniel Jones some considered the pick Racist for picking DJ over that Bumass Haskins. Love it knew he was a bum. Saw that from a mile away
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I always said to myself if Daniel jones was OSU QB they would of been a better team. U put Haskins on Duke they prolly don't even win a game.
 
TerragonSix said:
The only Gator NFL standouts I can think of are Emmitt Smith and Aaron Hernandez. Tim Tebow was not an NFL standout; and could've stayed in the league as a FB or TE if he checked his ego.

I'm not trying to be anti-gator; I think those are the two best NFL prospects the Florida Gators ever put in that were all-pro, and correct me if I'm wrong.

I can think of way more FSU guys that turned out to be pretty good. Two of whom are HOF's.
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they've had more than that. fred taylor, pretty sure jack youngblood is HOF, Jevon Kearse, Pouncy brothers and lomad brown come to mind. prolly some others too.
 
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Miami Nights said:
they've had more than that. fred taylor, pretty sure jack youngblood is HOF, Jevon Kearse, Pouncy brothers and lomad brown come to mind. prolly some others too.
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Forgot about "The Freak" Jevon Kearse & the Pouncey boys...didn't know Lomas Brown went to UF, thought He went to OSU for some reason.
 
JaxonCane said:
"Maybe I don't watch enough Clemson games but when I do always come away with the impression that they run a somewhat gimmicky offense."

What makes it gimmicky? I have been hearing this term on this board for years and think we just have a lot of individuals who don't know squat about offense or defense philosophies. But they like to throw terms out like gimmicky because they don't understand what they are seeing.
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What makes it gimmicky is what I said immediately following that sentence. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to make our offense that simple for our QB.

And yes, gimmicky is an inaccurate word to describe the Clemson offense. I was just trying to demonstrate that a lot of what Lawrence does in the Clemson offense will not be done in the NFL. Which was the point of that convo -- trying to gauge Lawrence's transition to the NFL.
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Yeah but which College QB does though? Every College OC "schemes their WRs open", even Clemson's, I've seen Lawrence throw to wide open WRs.
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The difference is arm strength and accuracy. Lawrence has both. Plus, excellent pocket presence, good wheels and extremely long. For him, it will be how does he adjust to getting hit every third pass as a Jag. A guy like Fields is going to struggle in the NFL. Maybe he has an epiphany like Josh Allen in his 3rd year with a team built around him.
 
OSU is notorious for running a lot of concepts that are 1-read or half-field at best. Haskins threw pretty much nothing but crossers at OSU.

Fields has thrown more diverse routes but has a lot of separate issues. Processing and pocket movement is the big bugaboo for him. He's very slow to react when his initial read is taken away or a coverage shifts post-snap. He's athletic but he doesn't have the footwork to slide and reshuffle in the pocket. He just stands like a statue and gets enveloped by the rush. He also doesn't have pinpoint accuracy which is something that can reveal itself in the NFL, like with Baker Mayfield who many praised for his (myth) accuracy at OU.

Fields can have success in an RPO spread pass game where reads are defined and he's kept protected but I wouldn't wanna trust him for 19-20 games in a season where there will be adverse situations that turn him into a pumpkin. Yes he has physical talent and he works hard and he's a good kid but he's not Josh Allen. Josh Allen was a wild stallion at Wyoming who just needed to tone down the reckless plays and gain experience. Fields' intangibles are what they are, and the same is true for Kyler Murray or Carson Wentz who have similar issues with processing speed and pocket management (while the media blames Kingsbury/Pederson for designing offenses that caters to their QB limitations).

My QB rankings are:

1. Lawrence - has minor flaws but don't overthink it
2. Lance - stud in a wide zone play action offense, could struggle a bit otherwise
3. Wilson - looks like the real deal but pressure is a huge unknown. Could be Mahomes lite or a mega bust idk

4. Fields
5. Mac Jones - limited arm talent but like his aggression and poise

6. backup and developmental types

fwiw I'd take any of the top 3 if I'm the Dolphins @LuCane @DMoney
 
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HighSeas said:
OSU is notorious for running a lot of concepts that are 1-read or half-field at best. Haskins threw pretty much nothing but crossers at OSU.

Fields has thrown more diverse routes but has a lot of separate issues. Processing and pocket movement is the big bugaboo for him. He's very slow to react when his initial read is taken away or a coverage shifts post-snap. He's athletic but he doesn't have the footwork to slide and reshuffle in the pocket. He just stands like a statue and gets enveloped by the rush. He also doesn't have pinpoint accuracy which is something that can reveal itself in the NFL, like with Baker Mayfield who many praised for his (myth) accuracy at OU.

Fields can have success in an RPO spread pass game where reads are defined and he's kept protected but I wouldn't wanna trust him for 19-20 games in a season where there will be adverse situations that turn him into a pumpkin. Yes he has physical talent and he works hard and he's a good kid but he's not Josh Allen. Josh Allen was a wild stallion at Wyoming who just needed to tone down the reckless plays and gain experience. Fields' intangibles are what they are, and the same is true for Kyler Murray or Carson Wentz who have similar issues with processing speed and pocket management (while the media blames Kingsbury/Pederson for designing offenses that caters to their QB limitations).

My QB rankings are:

1. Lawrence - has minor flaws but don't overthink it
2. Lance - stud in a wide zone play action offense, could struggle a bit otherwise
3. Wilson - looks like the real deal but pressure is a huge unknown. Could be Mahomes lite or a mega bust idk

4. Fields
5. Mac Jones - limited arm talent but like his aggression and poise

6. backup and developmental types

fwiw I'd take any of the top 3 if I'm the Dolphins @LuCane @DMoney
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But all of the OSU QBs since Meyer arrived have that funky footwork, that's not exclusive to Fields. Regardless, Fields is the 2nd best QB prospect in this draft, hard to overlook all of His positives...has high upside too.
 
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