(OT)... What schools produce the worst NFL talent other than ohio st. At the QB position??? (It can be any postion besides QB)

[streetja]

Sounds identical to Haskins lol.

That's been the knock on every single QB that came from Urban, Dan Mullen, and now Ryan Day systems. Dak being sort of an outlier (he has his flaws). Alex Smith was the same way early in his career but he eventually got settled in and was solid. He was always too quick to try to run or roll out and throw it away. All good athletes and they put up college numbers, test well, and then fall back to earth in the NFL

It's getting even tougher to gauge QBs from the blue bloods becasue not only are they all surrounded by first round talent, but the coaches make it so easy for them by scheming guys wide open. It's the same criticism I had of Tua, only his accuracy didn't turn to absolute **** when making progressions. Instead he forced a lot of bad balls. If you look at Tua's numbers against top 25 defenses at Bama his average plummeted to somehting like 200 yards 1TD and 1.3 INTs a game over his career.

The one guy I've really liked is Burrow. I even rate him higher than Lawrence. His ability to always hit his man in stride is second to none. That and he knows how to move in the pocket and can go through his progressions with ease.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Dude.... Was Haskins not drafted in the first rd?? YOU projected him well and knew he wasn't good. That's cool. But it doesn't take away the fact he got drafted high.

Yes He was, and that's why I singled Him out. As several people in this thread have mentioned, the expectations for the USC QB never matches the hype, I'd suspect them as sending more legit busts to league.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

It's getting even tougher to gauge QBs from the blue bloods becasue not only are they all surrounded by first round talent, but the coaches make it so easy for them by scheming guys wide open. It's the same criticism I had of Tua, only his accuracy didn't turn to absolute **** when making progressions. Instead he forced a lot of bad balls. If you look at Tua's numbers against top 25 defenses at Bama his average plummeted to somehting like 200 yards 1TD and 1.3 INTs a game over his career.

The one guy I've really liked is Burrow. I even rate him higher than Lawrence. His ability to always hit his man in stride is second to none. That and he knows how to move in the pocket and can go through his progressions with ease.

I think Trevor is the most sure thing at QB since probably Peyton Manning. The down side is going to be he’s gonna play for the Jags.

Pretty much every other QB in recent memory - until Burrow and then back to Luck - fell into a box of uncertainty and concern over something. Those 2 almost check every box and their weaknesses aren’t exactly weak.

 

[Page305]

Yes He was, and that's why I singled Him out. As several people in this thread have mentioned, the expectations for the USC QB never matches the hype, I'd suspect them as sending more legit busts to league.

Okay I see I see. I won't debate that at all.

 

[Cajuncane]

Does this hurt Justin Fields stock???

Heard Schefter the other day saying Fields stock Is dropping cause he’s struggled against the 2 decent teams he’s played against this year.

if he shts the bed against Clemson he will have to have a great combine/pro day to not drop.

 

[Page305]

Heard Schefter the other day saying Fields stock Is dropping cause he’s struggled against the 2 decent teams he’s played against this year.

if he shts the bed against Clemson he will have to have a great combine/pro day to not drop.

Yeah as it should. I think if he struggles against Clemson, even with a great combine he still drops. I mean at this point, mostly everyone agrees he's not 1st rd talent lol

 

[streetja]

I think Trevor is the most sure thing at QB since probably Peyton Manning. The down side is going to be he’s gonna play for the Jags.

Pretty much every other QB in recent memory - until Burrow and then back to Luck - fell into a box of uncertainty and concern over something. Those 2 almost check every box and their weaknesses aren’t exactly weak.

Maybe I don't watch enough Clemson games but when I do always come away with the impression that they run a somewhat gimmicky offense. There are so many swing passes, WR tunnel screens, bubble screens, etc... that you can't really credit Lawrence and yet that's how htey gain half their yardage on offense. Lawrence is also good for boneheaded mistakes. One against VT in the end zone being the most recent one.

And now to put my super hater shades on, that national championship against Bama was crazy. So many big plays and so many on third and long. Justyn Ross's crazy one hand grab. It was all a bit flukey. I always came away from that game feeling if they played it 100 times Clemson would maybe win 10 of them.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I think Trevor is the most sure thing at QB since probably Peyton Manning. The down side is going to be he’s gonna play for the Jags.

Pretty much every other QB in recent memory - until Burrow and then back to Luck - fell into a box of uncertainty and concern over something. Those 2 almost check every box and their weaknesses aren’t exactly weak.

They were basically a QB away from a few Super Bowl appearances in recent history. The Jaguars stink, but they aren't the Jets or the Lions now, brother. They've made some poor evaluations on QB recently, too. This is a different team with a different story if they take Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson. They are now in a position where they almost don't have to worry about the evaluation process. Its about as much of a slam dunk #1 pick you'll ever have. If he busts, he busts, but they shouldn't even have to evaluate anyone else for the #1 pick. Take Lawrence, worry about your next Round 1 pick. Go get OL or a playmaker.

If Lawrence is the real deal, Jacksonville will be a regular in the playoffs. The NFL is all about QB play. If you've got one, you go from the dregs to the nobility very quickly. Also, they have Gardner Minshew who is...mid...but a 3:1 TD:INT ratio mid player thats incredibly smart. I know he'd like a chance to keep starting and odds are good Jacksonville trades him...but they shouldn't. Lawrence and Minshew is a great QB Room potentially and Minshew is smart enough to be that extra QB coach on the sideline.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Maybe I don't watch enough Clemson games but when I do always come away with the impression that they run a somewhat gimmicky offense. There are so many swing passes, WR tunnel screens, bubble screens, etc... that you can't really credit Lawrence and yet that's how htey gain half their yardage on offense. Lawrence is also good for boneheaded mistakes. One against VT in the end zone being the most recent one.

And now to put my super hater shades on, that national championship against Bama was crazy. So many big plays and so many on third and long. Justyn Ross's crazy one hand grab. I always came away from that game feeling like it was a bit of a fluke and if they played it 100 times Clemson would maybe win 10 of them.

Just watch Clemson - ND without Trevor and then with Trevor. It was night and day - despite the numbers that DJ put up. The offense is "gimmicky" in a sense that they'll always put up stats.

But when Trevor is in - it is different. It's not the 1 read bs that DJ ran when he was in those 2-3 weeks or whatever. Lawrence moves guys with his eyes, times up his fakes perfectly, and gets into his progressions, and makes every throw.

When opponents slow our pass rush they do it with screens and delays and stuff like that - or like UNC by just eliminating our DEs and making them irrelevant with pulling tackles and HB counters. Watch Trevor against us. His subtle fakes and quick looks right after the snap completely stifled us. Their OC doesn't even have to scheme anything to put our D on its heels. Trevor did it himself just with his football IQ and gamesmanship. He's next level elite.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

They were basically a QB away from a few Super Bowl appearances in recent history. The Jaguars stink, but they aren't the Jets or the Lions now, brother. They've made some poor evaluations on QB recently, too. This is a different team with a different story if they take Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes or Russell Wilson. They are now in a position where they almost don't have to worry about the evaluation process. Its about as much of a slam dunk #1 pick you'll ever have. If he busts, he busts, but they shouldn't even have to evaluate anyone else for the #1 pick. Take Lawrence, worry about your next Round 1 pick. Go get OL or a playmaker.

If Lawrence is the real deal, Jacksonville will be a regular in the playoffs. The NFL is all about QB play. If you've got one, you go from the dregs to the nobility very quickly.

Absolutely. It just depends on who they hire because that can make or break everything just as much as an elite QB can.

They have a solid OL and running game to compliment him right now with Linder and Norwell on the interior and Cam Robinson is solid. Chark is also a good weapon. They need to make a move to a more modern offensive system though.

 

[streetja]

Just watch Clemson - ND without Trevor and then with Trevor. It was night and day - despite the numbers that DJ put up. The offense is "gimmicky" in a sense that they'll always put up stats.

But when Trevor is in - it is different. It's not the 1 read bs that DJ ran when he was in those 2-3 weeks or whatever. Lawrence moves guys with his eyes, times up his fakes perfectly, and gets into his progressions, and makes every throw.

When opponents slow our pass rush they do it with screens and delays and stuff like that - or like UNC by just eliminating our DEs and making them irrelevant with pulling tackles and HB counters. Watch Trevor against us. His subtle fakes and quick looks right after the snap completely stifled us. Their OC doesn't even have to scheme anything to put our D on its heels. Trevor did it himself just with his football IQ and gamesmanship. He's next level elite.

That's a QB in complete control and basically a coach on the field. I'll have to look out for that against Ohio State because I love recognizing exactly those things.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

That's a QB in complete control and basically a coach on the field. I'll have to look out for that against Ohio State because I love recognizing exactly those things.

I'll admit I only watched Clemson and ND both times they played and Clemson against us this year. Then, the big games they've played in the playoffs and that's about it. LSU was the only time I've seen him kind of rattled.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Absolutely. It just depends on who they hire because that can make or break everything just as much as an elite QB can.

They have a solid OL and running game to compliment him right now with Linder and Norwell on the interior and Cam Robinson is solid. Chark is also a good weapon. They need to make a move to a more modern offensive system though.

I think they could use an upgrade or two on the line...its solid, but no one is irreplaceable.

Lawrence at QB. James Robinson (NFL's 3rd leading rusher, 5th in all-purpose yards...pretty crazy) and maybe you go draft with one of your ridiculous number of picks, another solid RB on Day 2. Chark, Shenault, Keelan Cole (with guys like Conley and Dede Westbrook still in the mix) with a possible R1 WR with the Rams pick (Devonta Smith would fit perfectly with that unit, IMO). If not a R1 WR, maybe you can somehow finesse a Kyle Pitts type pick with that R1 pick as your "TE" and you've got a QB with a full ****nal of weapons at his disposal. OL is suitable, but again maybe you could upgrade a spot or two on the line...maybe with free agency, maybe with one of their Day 2 picks?

This is a team with an absolute HAUL or potential picks, too. Its going to be a team that gets better in a hurry. #1 pick with a generational QB right there. Tons of early picks in this draft and the next. Lots of salary cap room...and they were the second youngest team in football this year. Wouldn't shock me if they take a Miami Dolphins like jump as early as next year and make the playoffs.

As an aside, they played without their two R1 picks this year for most of the year...ymmv on CJ Henderson (looked potentially elite a few times...looked like a rookie bum some other times) and K'Lavon Chaisson (had a few splash plays, but clearly not ready for a full workload yet while also getting injured a lot)...they will have a lot coming back next year too.

Couple all of this with the potential of getting an offense oriented coach (Urban Meyer, Byron Leftwich, Joe Brady, Brian Daboll all being rumored)...idk, if I'm Trevor Lawrence, this is a situation I would welcome with open arms.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

I think they could use an upgrade or two on the line...its solid, but no one is irreplaceable.

Lawrence at QB. James Robinson (NFL's 3rd leading rusher, 5th in all-purpose yards...pretty crazy) and maybe you go draft with one of your ridiculous number of picks, another solid RB on Day 2. Chark, Shenault, Keelan Cole (with guys like Conley and Dede Westbrook still in the mix) with a possible R1 WR with the Rams pick (Devonta Smith would fit perfectly with that unit, IMO). If not a R1 WR, maybe you can somehow finesse a Kyle Pitts type pick with that R1 pick as your "TE" and you've got a QB with a full ****nal of weapons at his disposal. OL is suitable, but again maybe you could upgrade a spot or two on the line...maybe with free agency, maybe with one of their Day 2 picks?

This is a team with an absolute HAUL or potential picks, too. Its going to be a team that gets better in a hurry. #1 pick with a generational QB right there. Tons of early picks in this draft and the next. Lots of salary cap room...and they were the second youngest team in football this year. Wouldn't shock me if they take a Miami Dolphins like jump as early as next year and make the playoffs.

As an aside, they played without their two R1 picks this year for most of the year...ymmv on CJ Henderson (looked potentially elite a few times...looked like a rookie bum some other times) and K'Lavon Chaisson (had a few splash plays, but clearly not ready for a full workload yet while also getting injured a lot)...they will have a lot coming back next year too.

Couple all of this with the potential of getting an offense oriented coach (Urban Meyer, Byron Leftwich, Joe Brady, Brian Daboll all being rumored)...idk, if I'm Trevor Lawrence, this is a situation I would welcome with open arms.

The stars are definitely aligning for the Jags and it looks so easy - but until they bypass hiring a typical NFL retread HC and make that elite hire - they're at risk of F-ing it up. Any of those rumored candidate or even Dabo would probably have them winning their division in year 1. They need to sign a LT or RT and get healthy on defense. Use some of their cap space and bolster the Defense and draft one of the plenty of options for an additional receiving threat as you mentioned.

They could be a force for the next 10+ years if they don't ***** it up.

 

[streetja]

I'll admit I only watched Clemson and ND both times they played and Clemson against us this year. Then, the big games they've played in the playoffs and that's about it. LSU was the only time I've seen him kind of rattled.

So you're riding a bit of a high given the complete demolition he and Clemson performed on ND. But the same holds true. Although he was rattled against LSU and Ohio State last year. His passing numbers were downright mediocre and if not for a Justin Fields overthrow in the end zone with about 45 seconds left they don't even make it to the natty last year.

One thing also is that Burrow was putting up good numbers with a terrible Bengals team. He was on pace for 4300 yards 20TDs and 8 INTS before going down

 

[JaxonCane]

Maybe I don't watch enough Clemson games but when I do always come away with the impression that they run a somewhat gimmicky offense. There are so many swing passes, WR tunnel screens, bubble screens, etc... that you can't really credit Lawrence and yet that's how htey gain half their yardage on offense. Lawrence is also good for boneheaded mistakes. One against VT in the end zone being the most recent one.

And now to put my super hater shades on, that national championship against Bama was crazy. So many big plays and so many on third and long. Justyn Ross's crazy one hand grab. It was all a bit flukey. I always came away from that game feeling if they played it 100 times Clemson would maybe win 10 of them.

"Maybe I don't watch enough Clemson games but when I do always come away with the impression that they run a somewhat gimmicky offense."

What makes it gimmicky? I have been hearing this term on this board for years and think we just have a lot of individuals who don't know squat about offense or defense philosophies. But they like to throw terms out like gimmicky because they don't understand what they are seeing.

 

[Matt Foley]

My brother is a big OSU fan. I always give him **** about how their QB's haven't done **** in the league. Craig Krenzel, Troy Smith, Terrelle Pryor, Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, Haskins. Hate to see it lol.

Don't forget Bobby Hoying

 

[JBCanes-NC]

Ohio State’s corners ***n suck. For the amount they put in the league, the majority ***n suck and the dumb *** Raiders keep drafting these bums in the 1st round

Clemson corners ***n suck in the nfl also

 

[TemplarCane]

FSU had Ponder drafted 12th overall in 2011, EJ Manuel 16th overall in 2013, Winston 1st overall 2015

Winston for all his turnover issues did pass for nearly 20K yards and 121 TDs in five seasons in Tampa. Hardly the same depth of futility as Ponder, Manuel, and let’s add Weinke, the oldest Heisman winner. Charlie Ward at least had a decent career, in the NBA.

And f*ck FSU.

 

[TemplarCane]

Art Schlichter, one of the top all-time busts.