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OT: UCF vrs Temple

Jaromir Jagr said:
You missed the point. They have to play a P5 opponent once a year. When you start lining P5 teams up every single week, it's not easy to just have your quarterback run around and find guys who are open by 10 yards. Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State and Oklahoma, who are all pretty good, can't get through P5 schedules undefeated. But UCF would??????
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With their offense they can hang with anyone. Coaching who knows, and depth probably not. They have multiple 1st round picks over the last couple of years and probably have 1 this year at CB. People here wish we could have a QB like theirs. I didn't say they would go undefeated but this year, they would have a better record than us playing our schedule. They beat Pitt 40-14 this year...lets revisit this after we struggle with them.
 
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pumbaa said:
With their offense they can hang with anyone. Coaching who knows, and depth probably not. They have multiple 1st round picks over the last couple of years and probably have 1 this year at CB. People here wish we could have a QB like theirs. I didn't say they would go undefeated but this year, they would have a better record than us playing our schedule. They beat Pitt 40-14 this year...lets revisit this after we struggle with them.
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There you go confusing the topic again. Are we asking if UCF could beat us or if UCF belongs in the playoffs?
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
There you go confusing the topic again. Are we asking if UCF could beat us or if UCF belongs in the playoffs?
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UCF if they go undefeated belongs in the playoff especially over a 2 loss B1G champ or 2-3 loss PAC12 champ. They have 25 in a row and a win over the SEC runner up who beat the 2 team in the NC game last year. Yes they deserve to be in the playoff if they win out.
 
pumbaa said:
New year's 6 bowl doesn't matter, yet the orange bowl was the 2nd coming around here? You got it man.
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You're going to apply what these idiots post to my comment in this thread? That's not how this all works. If you're going to respond to me, respond to what I write, not what other people write. K?
 
pumbaa said:
UCF if they go undefeated belongs in the playoff especially over a 2 loss B1G champ or 2-3 loss PAC12 champ. They have 25 in a row and a win over the SEC runner up who beat the 2 team in the NC game last year. Yes they deserve to be in the playoff if they win out.
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Beating an SEC team in the 2017 season does not and should not have one ounce of influence on the 2018 playoffs. UCF's big wins right now are over Temple and Pitt. Tell me with a straight face that their resume compares to anyone in the top 10.
 
DMoney said:
Maybe I'm in the minority, but if you win 25 straight games you deserve to be in the playoffs.

If that's not enough, just make a separate division for Power 5 teams and end the charade.
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But it can't be only about having no losses, DMoney. You HAVE to factor in who those wins are against. Case in point is that Hawaii team several years back who went undefeated against absolutely no one with a pulse. As a result, they got invited to a BCS bowl where they got absolutely massacred by the first real competition they played (UGA). You can't possibly argue they deserved a BCS appearance that year just because they hadn't lost.

Now, maybe UCF is a really good team; maybe they would beat some of the other top 10 teams. But when they are like 120 SOS out of 130-some teams, how can you know that either way? You can't. The onus is on THEM to get some marquee wins on their resume before they have a valid case for being invited to the CFB. Otherwise the system would encourage programs to avoid playing anyone worst a sh-t so they can go undefeated and get invited to the big dance. And it is possible. Houston a couple years ago would have made it after beating OU in Norman if they had run the table which would have included a win over top 10 UL. But they lost. If UCF has a win on a similar level as that win vs OU in the regular season then they'd get in the playoffs and deserve to be there. But sorry, wins over Memphis, Navy, Temple and Tulane don't justify taking one of the 4 playoff spots.
 
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Jaromir Jagr said:
Beating an SEC team in the 2017 season does not and should not have one ounce of influence on the 2018 playoffs. UCF's big wins right now are over Temple and Pitt. Tell me with a straight face that their resume compares to anyone in the top 10.
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Of course it has an effect on their ranking this year because its part of the longest winning streak in the country. Their SOS is the talking point, but I said if they win out and there are 2 loss teams ahead of them then they should be in. Undefeated vs undefeated they are on the outside looking in. This is the same disrespect Boise State used to get and those teams were really good too. It happens to every non P5 school, so why even rank them then?
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
You missed the point. They have to play a P5 opponent once a year. When you start lining P5 teams up every single week, it's not easy to just have your quarterback run around and find guys who are open by 10 yards. Alabama and Clemson and Ohio State and Oklahoma, who are all pretty good, can't get through P5 schedules undefeated. But UCF would??????
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This.

Almost every P5 team (even the lower tier ones) have much deeper rosters than AAC teams. There are dudes on most P5's 2nd and 3rd string who would start at most AAC schools. That depth is key as it takes a toll having to play those rosters week in and week out. It's much easier to coast through a season vs teams like Tulane and then only have to get up for one bowl game.

You're telling me this 2018 UCF team would roll through a schedule of: Miami, @Auburn, Ole Miss, @UF, UGA, Miss St, Bama, @Ark, A&M? Of course not.
 
For_The_U said:
But it can't be only about having no losses, DMoney. You HAVE to factor in who those wins are against. Case in point is that Hawaii team several years back who went undefeated against absolutely no one with a pulse. As a result, they got invited to a BCS bowl where they got absolutely massacred by the first real competition they played (UGA). You can't possibly argue they deserved a BCS appearance that year just because they hadn't lost.

Now, maybe UCF is a really good team; maybe they would beat some of the other top 10 teams. But when they are like 120 SOS out of 130-some teams, how can you know that either way? You can't. The onus is on THEM to get some marquee wins on their resume before they have a valid case for being invited to the CFB. Otherwise the system would encourage programs to avoid playing anyone worst a sh-t so they can go undefeated and get invited to the big dance. And it is possible. Houston a couple years ago would have made it after beating OU in Norman if they had run the table which would have included a win over top 10 UL. But they lost. If UCF has a win on a similar level as that win vs OU in the regular season then they'd get in the playoffs and deserve to be there. But sorry, wins over Memphis, Navy, Temple and Tulane don't justify taking one of the 4 playoff spots.
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Herbstreit said it pretty well last Saturday. Everyone respects the fact that they're undefeated, but to be invited to the playoffs, you have to knock off one of the big boys. Beating Pitt isn't going to cut it.

I think one thing hurting UCF is their stubbornness and arrogance when it comes to scheduling. They need to go out on the road and beat a Georgia or a Penn State without demanding a return trip.
 
pumbaa said:
Of course it has an effect on their ranking this year because its part of the longest winning streak in the country. Their SOS is the talking point, but I said if they win out and there are 2 loss teams ahead of them then they should be in. Undefeated vs undefeated they are on the outside looking in. This is the same disrespect Boise State used to get and those teams were really good too. It happens to every non P5 school, so why even rank them then?
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No, 2017 literally doesn't impact their ranking in 2018. They are at and will continue to hang out around the #11-12 spot. Their record is 8-0, not 25-0.
 
pumbaa said:
Of course it has an effect on their ranking this year because its part of the longest winning streak in the country. Their SOS is the talking point, but I said if they win out and there are 2 loss teams ahead of them then they should be in. Undefeated vs undefeated they are on the outside looking in. This is the same disrespect Boise State used to get and those teams were really good too. It happens to every non P5 school, so why even rank them then?
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Who cares that they are undefeated when they hadn't played a SINGLE team with a winning record prior to last night. Most any other team in the top 25 would be undefeated against that schedule as well. So how does that justify them being a playoff team? It doesn't.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
Herbstreit said it pretty well last Saturday. Everyone respects the fact that they're undefeated, but to be invited to the playoffs, you have to knock off one of the big boys.
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Bingo! Just like Houston did when they went to Norman and beat OU. If UCF had a win like that Auburn win during the regular season last year they would have been in the playoffs. Fact. But beating the Memphis's of the world doesn't prove you're one of the four best teams in the country, no matter how many games you win against that caliber of opponent.

UCF won't schedule big dog P5 teams unless they are agree to a home and away. Teams like Boise and Fresno and TCU prior to joining the Big12 made a name for themselves by going on the road and playing the big dogs. Seems like UCF needs to decide what's important to them. Until they do, I don't give a rats *** how many games they win in a row vs Navy and Temple and Tulane.
 
For_The_U said:
Bingo! Just like Houston did when they went to Norman and beat OU. If UCF had a win like that Auburn win during the regular season last year they would have been in the playoffs. Fact. But beating the Memphis's of the world doesn't prove you're one of the four best teams in the country, no matter how many games you win against that caliber of opponent.

UCF won't schedule big dog P5 teams unless they are agree to a home and away. Teams like Boise and Fresno and TCU prior to joining the Big12 made a name for themselves by going on the road and playing the big dogs. Seems like UCF needs to decide what's important to them. Until they do, I don't give a rats *** how many games they win in a row vs Navy and Temple and Tulane.
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I agree they should schedule big games for the regular season, but them undefeated to me still belong in over a 2 loss Pac12 champ.
 
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For_The_U said:
But it can't be only about having no losses, DMoney. You HAVE to factor in who those wins are against. Case in point is that Hawaii team several years back who went undefeated against absolutely no one with a pulse. As a result, they got invited to a BCS bowl where they got absolutely massacred by the first real competition they played (UGA). You can't possibly argue they deserved a BCS appearance that year just because they hadn't lost.
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If that's the argument, let's talk about West Virginia. They won three BCS Bowl games before joining the Power 5. They beat Georgia, destroyed Oklahoma and destroyed Clemson. Who did they beat before taking on those name programs? Nobody. Who did Boise State play before beating OU in the Fiesta Bowl?

If you win 25 games in a row, in D1, you deserve a shot in the playoff. And while we're at it, teams that don't win their conference shouldn't be allowed in the playoff. The conference title should serve as an eliminator. If you don't win that playoff, you don't deserve a shot in the national playoff.
 
DMoney said:
If that's the argument, let's talk about West Virginia. They won three BCS Bowl games before joining the Power 5. They beat Georgia, destroyed Oklahoma and destroyed Clemson. Who did they beat before taking on those name programs? Nobody. Who did Boise State play before beating OU in the Fiesta Bowl?

If you win 25 games in a row, in D1, you deserve a shot in the playoff. And while we're at it, teams that don't win their conference shouldn't be allowed in the playoff. The conference title should serve as an eliminator. If you don't win that playoff, you don't deserve a shot in the national playoff.
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Agree re the conf title factor. We'll have to agree to disagree on the other topic. Who did Boise beat that year prior to playing OU? Nobody. And I'd submit they wouldn't have been undefeated if they had played in a major conference. Again, it's much easier to 'get up' for one game than it is to do the same 8 of 12 weeks throughout the season. If we are to use your standard, what is the incentive for ANY program to schedule tough games? There is none, and what a shame that would be for college football.
 
pumbaa said:
With their offense they can hang with anyone. Coaching who knows, and depth probably not. They have multiple 1st round picks over the last couple of years and probably have 1 this year at CB. People here wish we could have a QB like theirs. I didn't say they would go undefeated but this year, they would have a better record than us playing our schedule. They beat Pitt 40-14 this year...lets revisit this after we struggle with them.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure this UCF team smoked an Auburn team last season.
 
For_The_U said:
Jealousy/envy? LOL Wrong, bud, I just hate how obnoxious their fans have gotten talking about them like they're some football goliath when they don't play anyone with a pulse. Ok, so they got up for one game last year and beat an Auburn team who didn't want to be there. Impressive win, sure. But in the bigger picture, who cares. That doesn't suddenly make them co-national champs or some unbelievable program for the nation to fear. Prior to last night they had beaten teams with a combined record of 12-27 vs FBS opponents. Chew on that for a minute. Yet because they are undefeated against that pathetic schedule they are supposed to get an invite to the playoffs?!? GTFO They barely beat a sub-par Memphis team and let almighty temple put up 40 on them. They'd get absolutely hammered against pretty much any other team in the top 12. Yet the UCF faithful talk like they are the Patriots of CFB. It's gotten completely played out and as a result many people like myself have grown to dislike them.
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You hate how obnoxious their fans have gotten.....Well, guess why so many fans still hate the U?
They well remember how the majority of our team and fans were, so we have absolutely no room whatsoever to put their fans down for being obnoxious....pot calling the kettle black!!! The U fans in the WEZ of the Orange Bowl were absolutely brutal to visiting fans. We have one of the biggest TV fan bases in college football as a lot of fans liked our arrogance and swagger (past tense). Guess what the SOC for Alabama is this year.....#85. Miami, FSU & UF all have tougher schedules than Bama (Miami is #34) & BTW, LSU has around the #5 toughest schedule....Gonna make the game Saturday between Bama & LSU pretty interesting. Regardless, I like UCF and wish them the best.
 
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