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Tetragrammaton Cane said:
The Indiana team was fortunate to catch Michigan at the beginning of the year and then dance through a weak ACC schedule, adding Vandy, Stanford, Northwestern and Navy ... that’s not a tough schedule. Michigan would steamroll them now.

It’s notable that they’re undefeated but they’re not the 3rd 4th or 5th best team in the country. Using the “UCF would have three losses…” trope … they would have three losses if they played in the either division of the SEC or the B1G East.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. But on paper, Notre Dame still has a pretty good schedule (at least compared to UCF). Northwestern is the #22 ranked team in the nation and they have Syracuse on deck this week. I agree in the aspect that Notre Dame is similar to that of their 2012 team where they're getting a lot of lucky bounces their way and that they caught Michigan on the 1st week where they didn't get into a groove as a team; in a rematch on a neutral field, I feel Michigan would flatten ND. Having said that, Notre Dame is undefeated, like UCF, but Notre Dame actually has a schedule worth a ****. Given how UCF's not built in the trenches and has a swiss cheese defense, I stand by my comment on UCF having around 3 losses if the two schools switched schedules.
 
Literally the same points being made about this UCF team was going on last year. And they won every game then, and will probably do it again this year. This team can score points. Oklahoma has no defense and scores a lot of points, but they are Oklahoma so they get a pass. Oklahoma let up 45+ points to a Baylor team that was 1-11 last year and they were in the college football playoff. This UCF team can play idgaf. Somebody stop them. Step up. Auburn couldn't and many thought Auburn was one of the best teams.
 
Katzenboyer said:
Nah. UCF’s schedule sucks. They don’t get credit for beating up on cupcakes, and if you reward that, you eliminate any incentive for P5 teams to schedule tough OOC games.
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If UCF was rolling through their schedule, I'd make a different case for them. But they've had some close calls this season against a pedestrian schedule.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
If you make that argument, you are basically telling the G5 to go F off, they are eliminated from playing for an NC before the season even starts, and they should just go create their own separate division.
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I have no problem at all admitting that.
 
Katzenboyer said:
Nah. UCF’s schedule sucks. They don’t get credit for beating up on cupcakes, and if you reward that, you eliminate any incentive for P5 teams to schedule tough OOC games.
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There's already no incentive for P5 teams to schedule tough OOC games and therefore very few do, which is why UCF can't get anyone to play them, and then the circle repeats.

Here's the rankings with toughest OOC game for each team:
  1. Bama - Louisville in Orlando (recruiting trip)
  2. Clemson - @ TA&M
  3. ND - Independent
  4. Michigan - ND
  5. Georgia - GT (play every year, others were Austin Peay, Middle Tenn. St., and UMass)
  6. Oklahoma - UCLA
  7. LSU - Miami in Dallas
  8. Washington St - you decide between Wyoming, San Jose St, and Eastern Washington
  9. West Virginia - Tennessee
  10. Ohio State - Oregon St and TCU
Sooooo, basically Michigan and Clemson are the only teams ranked ahead of UCF right now that have played anyone with a pulse in non-con play. It's pretty clear there's already no incentive for P5 schools to play tough out of conference games. What else ya got?
 
Kshanley13 said:
Literally the same points being made about this UCF team was going on last year. And they won every game then, and will probably do it again this year. This team can score points. Oklahoma has no defense and scores a lot of points, but they are Oklahoma so they get a pass. Oklahoma let up 45+ points to a Baylor team that was 1-11 last year and they were in the college football playoff. This UCF team can play idgaf. Somebody stop them. Step up. Auburn couldn't and many thought Auburn was one of the best teams.
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No one on earth thinks that Auburn showed up for that game as though it was a meaningful, regular season contest. They had just lost a playoff spot in that same building.
 
Kshanley13 said:
Literally the same points being made about this UCF team was going on last year. And they won every game then, and will probably do it again this year. This team can score points. Oklahoma has no defense and scores a lot of points, but they are Oklahoma so they get a pass. Oklahoma let up 45+ points to a Baylor team that was 1-11 last year and they were in the college football playoff. This UCF team can play idgaf. Somebody stop them. Step up. Auburn couldn't and many thought Auburn was one of the best teams.
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Oklahoma got a pass because they beat Ohio State, Oklahoma State, and TCU twice. Name one UCF win last year that was even close to any of those 4 wins.
 
Jaromir Jagr said:
I have no problem at all admitting that.
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That's fine, and I get it. I'm not so sure the TV networks who pay for the CFP would agree though. At the end of the day, it's a business decision.

Also, out of fairness, and I am not a "root for the little guy" person, but 25 straight means they've done everything they can possibly do to earn a shot. If a two loss OSU gets in ahead of them, I have no problem admitting I'll be ****ed. If it's 1 loss WVU who has won the Big12 championship game and three undefeated's that get in ahead of UCF, "too bad, so sad" is all I'd have to say.
 
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g8rh8rMD said:
There's already no incentive for P5 teams to schedule tough OOC games and therefore very few do, which is why UCF can't get anyone to play them, and then the circle repeats.

Here's the rankings with toughest OOC game for each team:
  1. Bama - Louisville in Orlando (recruiting trip)
  2. Clemson - @ TA&M
  3. ND - Independent
  4. Michigan - ND
  5. Georgia - GT (play every year, others were Austin Peay, Middle Tenn. St., and UMass)
  6. Oklahoma - UCLA
  7. LSU - Miami in Dallas
  8. Washington St - you decide between Wyoming, San Jose St, and Eastern Washington
  9. West Virginia - Tennessee
  10. Ohio State - Oregon St and TCU
Sooooo, basically Michigan and Clemson are the only teams ranked ahead of UCF right now that have played anyone with a pulse in non-con play. It's pretty clear there's already no incentive for P5 schools to play tough out of conference games. What else ya got?
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You're missing the forest through the trees. Teams schedule tough OOC games because it enhances their SOS; UCF isn't making the playoffs because it's SOS (ranked 106) is a complete, utter joke. If UCF gets in on that schedule, you lose all incentive to schedule tough OOC games, and the game suffers. Good wins matter less.

You're also ignoring the fact that teams like LSU are high in the rankings BECAUSE of their SOS, and teams like WSU (and Washington last year) suffer BECAUSE their SOS is bad. So the fact that you highlight that some teams currently in the top ten don't have great OOC games on their schedule this year really makes no difference; the committee is clearly favoring teams with tougher schedules.

It matters. You play a weak schedule, you don't get rewarded. The committee has also shown time and time again that good wins trump bad losses (see Bama last year; OSU in 2014; etc.). You can't get in playing Saint Mary's Sister's School for the Blind and Deaf each week, and anyone making the argument is ignoring the clear implications this would hold if UCF qualified.
 
Tetragrammaton Cane said:
Clemson and OSU have so far shown more of a willingness to schedule home/away with traditional power “elites”. Miami has TXA&M and MSU coming up in a few years.
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As have other teams in previous years. #3 Oregon played #7 Michigan State in 2014. #12 UGA played #16 Clemson that same year.

In 2015, #3 Bama played #20 Wisconsin. #12 Clemson scheduled #6 ND. #19 OU (a playoff team by the end of the season) went to #19 Tenn.

Big games get scheduled every season as a direct response to the CFP system. And big games are in the pipelines on most teams' future schedules, too. That's a good thing, for everyone except UCF.
 
Katzenboyer said:
You're missing the forest through the trees. Teams schedule tough OOC games because it enhances their SOS; UCF isn't making the playoffs because it's SOS (ranked 106) is a complete, utter joke. If UCF gets in on that schedule, you lose all incentive to schedule tough OOC games, and the game suffers. Good wins matter less.

You're also ignoring the fact that teams like LSU are high in the rankings BECAUSE of their SOS, and teams like WSU (and Washington last year) suffer BECAUSE their SOS is bad. So the fact that you highlight that some teams currently in the top ten don't have great OOC games on their schedule this year really makes no difference; the committee is clearly favoring teams with tougher schedules.

It matters. You play a weak schedule, you don't get rewarded. The committee has also shown time and time again that good wins trump bad losses (see Bama last year; OSU in 2014; etc.). You can't get in playing Saint Mary's Sister's School for the Blind and Deaf each week, and anyone making the argument is ignoring the clear implications this would hold if UCF qualified.
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I'm at a loss... I've just shown that no one schedules tough OOC games, yet you say I'm "missing the forest for the trees" and that we can't incentivize teams not to play tough OOC games, and UCF should have a tough schedule, but, as I've demonstrated, none of the top P5 teams schedule tough OOC games, so how is UCF supposed to play a tough schedule if none of the "good" teams will play them? Your logic is so circular that I am dizzy trying to discuss this at this point.

So, just answer me this:
If Bama and OSU won't schedule a home and home with UCF, which they won't (and they shouldn't as it wouldn't be in their best interests), and the P5 won't let them in to their conference to allow them to play a tough conference schedule, then what exactly more is there that they can do other than win lots and lots of games in a row, to earn a shot?
 
g8rh8rMD said:
So, just answer me this:
If Bama and OSU won't schedule a home and home with UCF, which they won't (and they shouldn't as it wouldn't be in their best interests), and the P5 won't let them in to their conference to allow them to play a tough conference schedule, then what exactly more is there that they can do other than win lots and lots of games in a row, to earn a shot?
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Go to those places without demanding a return trip. Boise State did it.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
I'm at a loss... I've just shown that no one schedules tough OOC games, yet you say I'm "missing the forest for the trees" and that we can't incentivize teams not to play tough OOC games, and UCF should have a tough schedule, but, as I've demonstrated, none of the top P5 teams schedule tough OOC games, so how is UCF supposed to play a tough schedule if none of the "good" teams will play them? Your logic is so circular that I am dizzy trying to discuss this at this point.
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Current 2018 Playoff Teams:
Bama scheduled Louisville (not their fault they nosedived this year; coming off two 8-5 and two 9-4 seasons)
Clemson scheduled TAMU
ND is independent, but plays Michigan, FSU, Stanford, and USC - all good OOC games for those schools
Michigan scheduled ND, which is turning into a very important game

2017
Clemson scheduled #13 Auburn
OU scheduled #2 OSU
Bama scheduled #3 FSU
Georgia played a road game in South Bend

2016
Bama - USC (#20)
Clemson went to Auburn
OSU went to Oklahoma
Washington scheduled nobody, which hurt them leading into the playoff

2015
Clemson played #6 ND
Bama played #20 Wisconsin
MSU scheduled #7 Oregon
OU went to Tennessee

2014:
Bama opened with WVU
Oregon went to #7 MSU
FSU beat OK. State and #5 ND
OSU lost on the road to VT

So yes, the top teams have scheduled good OOC games. You want to turn a blind eye towards it, feel free.

So, just answer me this:
If Bama and OSU won't schedule a home and home with UCF, which they won't (and they shouldn't as it wouldn't be in their best interests), and the P5 won't let them in to their conference to allow them to play a tough conference schedule, then what exactly more is there that they can do other than win lots and lots of games in a row, to earn a shot?
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Simple. Schedule tougher OOC games than FBS South Carolina State and 6-4 Pitt. The W/L records for UCF opponents this year is a joke:

1-9
3-5 (again, FBS)
5-6
6-4
5-5
6-4
2-7
6-4
2-8

If your conference record is going to be that mediocre, you better have a marquee win against P5 opponents. UCF does not, which is why they're on the outside and will remain so until they find someone worth a **** to play.

And your assumption about Bama/OSU is wrong. Bama has scheduled USC, Miami and ND in the future for OOC opponents. OSU has upcoming series with ND, Washington and Texas. Clemson plays ND, TAMU, LSU and Georgia in future years. If they're willing to put those games on the schedule, you're lying to yourself if you don't think they'd replace one of those games with UCF.
 
mjl7atlas said:
Not rooting for ND, but I wish they could play UCF because they would smash them and I'm tired of UCF running their mouths.
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This is exactly where I'm at. UCF went from the pesky underdog to the most entitled group of whiny brats in college football. I hope Cincy stomps them.
 
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It's not really about whether or not you think UCF is one of the top 4 teams. It's about the fact that they have no chance to prove it one way or the other. Their schedule is weak, they play in a G5 conference. You can try to schedule out of conference games against as many P5 teams as possible but what do you do when the big boys won't put you on their schedule? A team like Ohio State (for example) has nothing to gain by scheduling UCF. If they win, big deal, you beat a team you're supposed to beat. If they lose, they're a laughing stock. Their schedule is already good enough to get them into the playoffs most years, even with a loss. Adding a tough G5 team to their schedule is pointless.

To remedy the issue you've got three options:

Expand the playoff. Add more teams or make a provision for undefeated conference champs or something.

Conference expansion. Let some of these better G5 teams join the big boy conferences. Let them duke it out with teams more on their level on a week to week basis.

Use a promotion/demotion system similar to the European soccer leagues. The consistent G5 winners get a chance for promotion to a P5 conference and the P5 bottom dwellers get demoted to a G5 conference. I know this is totally impossible with the money involved in conferences but it's probably the most fair way of dealing with these issues. I mean wtf, Rutgers?
 
Katzenboyer said:
This is exactly where I'm at. UCF went from the pesky underdog to the most entitled group of whiny brats in college football. I hope Cincy stomps them.
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I think Houston would have beat them had the Houston QB not gotten hurt last night. Their backup is solid, but not sure about in a "big" game like that.
 
DTP said:
It's not really about whether or not you think UCF is one of the top 4 teams. It's about the fact that they have no chance to prove it one way or the other. Their schedule is weak, they play in a G5 conference. You can try to schedule out of conference games against as many P5 teams as possible but what do you do when the big boys won't put you on their schedule? A team like Ohio State (for example) has nothing to gain by scheduling UCF. If they win, big deal, you beat a team you're supposed to beat. If they lose, they're a laughing stock. Their schedule is already good enough to get them into the playoffs most years, even with a loss. Adding a tough G5 team to their schedule is pointless.

To remedy the issue you've got three options:

Expand the playoff. Add more teams or make a provision for undefeated conference champs or something.

Conference expansion. Let some of these better G5 teams join the big boy conferences. Let them duke it out with teams more on their level on a week to week basis.

Use a promotion/demotion system similar to the European soccer leagues. The consistent G5 winners get a chance for promotion to a P5 conference and the P5 bottom dwellers get demoted to a G5 conference. I know this is totally impossible with the money involved in conferences but it's probably the most fair way of dealing with these issues. I mean wtf, Rutgers?
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I think this is eventually where they are being forced to go with the amount of money these TV network deals are growing to, but the argument is only going to switch who's in between 4, 5, 6 to 6, 7, 8, 9. It's going to get a little ridiculous when you get a 3 loss SEC team in there ahead of a 1 potentially 2 loss other P5 conference team. Even a one loss G5 team that has a tough OOC schedule. The arguments are going to continue on it.

I know that's kind of off topic from the thread but just a scenario I see playing out.
 
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