OT - The Irishman

[Garnacho]

I have a ton of Marty hot takes. Here are a few.

1. DeNiro had the best performance in Goodfellas. Understated, but menacing (much like the real guy he was playing if you ever read the book).

2. Casino is more enjoyable than Goodfellas. Not better. Just more fun.

3. Bringing Out The Dead is his most underrated film.

4. He doesn't get asked about directing the Bad video enough for my liking.

5. Wolf of Wall Street is a Top 3 Marty film.

Oldmo here. I respect your takes. Love Casino, but love Goodfellas a little more. I think Pesci in Goodfellas makes the difference

Mean Streets is my favorite Deniro/ Marty flick

King of Comedy is GOLD. So is DeNiro’s performance in it. Definitely my pick for underrated.

Wolf of Wall Street hits home for me the most since I was around a lot of people like that in the same area at the same time

 

[LoungeLord]

Just watched it.

Thoughts?

Glad to see this group of actors really go out on a limb and break from what they normally do so they don’t start getting type cast.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

The big time chains didn’t carry it.

I read why but I forgot.

Something to do with revenue sharing.

Bc Netflix was only doing a limited theatrical run (3 weeks) before its release.

That's the official reason.

The real reason is they hate Netflix and see them and other streamers as a threat to their bottom line. Why give money to your competition?

 

[nystateofmind]

Glad to see this group of actors really go out on a limb and break from what they normally do so they don’t start getting type cast.

I know this was meant sarcastically but Pesci’s role is completely antithetical to what he normally does.

A really nice change of pace.

 

[nystateofmind]

Bc Netflix was only doing a limited theatrical run (3 weeks) before its release.

That's the official reason.

The real reason is they hate Netflix and see them and other streamers as a threat to their bottom line. Why give money to your competition?

Interesting.

I don’t see movie theaters ever going the way of Blockbuster because physically seeing a movie at the theater is an experience that’s tough to replicate at home.

The fresh popcorn.

The big screen.

The surround sound.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

I know this was meant sarcastically but Pesci’s role is completely antithetical to what he normally does.

A really nice change of pace.

Maybe I'm a prisoner of the moment, but I think it might have been Pesci's best performance in a Marty film. I don't dont want to spoil it too much for anyone who hasn't seen it, but his final scenes were incredible. He doesnt yell once in the entire film, and yet, he might be the scariest dude in the picture.

I thought the movie overall was phenomenal. This is a more restrained and contemplative Marty. If you're looking for the usual Marty beats (smash cuts, long dolly takes, etc.) you'll be disappointed. In other words, don't expect Goodfellas 2.0. Reminds me of later Tarantino films, where he's interested in letting scenes and dialogue play out instead of just rushing to the next sequence.

Pacino was the MVP for my money.

 

[nystateofmind]

Maybe I'm a prisoner of the moment, but I think it might have been Pesci's best performance in a Marty film. I don't dont want to spoil it too much for anyone who hasn't seen it, but his final scenes were an incredible. He doesnt yell once in the entire film, and yet, he might be the scariest dude in the picture.

I thought the movie overall was phenomenal. This is a more restrained and contemplative Marty. If you're looking for the usual Marty beats (smash cuts, long dolly takes, etc.) you'll be disappointed. In other words, don't expect Goodfellas 2.0. Reminds me of later Tarantino films, where he's interested in letting scenes and dialogue play out instead of just rushing to the next sequence.

Pacino was the MVP for my money.

Spoiler: For those who haven’t seen it

My main gripe was Sheeran’s personal demons and struggles weren’t fleshed out enough for the ending to really resonate like Scorsese wanted it to.

Just my opinion, though.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Spoiler: For those who haven’t seen it

My main gripe was Sheeran’s personal demons and struggles weren’t fleshed out enough for the ending to really resonate like Scorsese wanted it to.

Just my opinion, though.

Agreed. I think the film went on a tad bit too long after Hoffa's death. (I'm pretty sure that's not a spoiler).

 

[TheCaneShow2001]

Great movie. But **** near 3 hour

 

[Memnon]

Interesting.

I thought the dialogue and acting was very good, but the overall story was a bit lacking.

I think people were expecting a typical Mob movie from Scorsese, but it was more so about telling the story of Frank Sheeran based on the book by Charles Brandt.

The real life story of the Hoffa murder would've been more action packed but this film wasn't supposed to be another Goodfellas like a lot of people would've thought it was.

In real life I don't believe Sheeran killed Hoffa though, it was Tony Giacalone & his brother orchestrated by Provenzano, Jack Tocco & Carlo Licata, ordered by the Teamsters leadership through Bufalino, then his body was disposed of by the guys that ran the sanitation company in Detroit who were all Mafia connected. His body will never be found because they cremated him.

 

[nystateofmind]

In real life I don't believe Sheeran killed Hoffa though, it was Tony Giacalone & his brother orchestrated by Provenzano, Jack Tocco & Carlo Licata, ordered by the Teamsters leadership through Bufalino, then his body was disposed of by the guys that ran the sanitation company in Detroit who were all Mafia connected. His body will never be found because they cremated him.

He definitely didn’t kill Hoffa or Joe Gallo.

Michael Franzese confirmed that on Twitter the other day and obviously he would know.

 

[Memnon]

Maybe I'm a prisoner of the moment, but I think it might have been Pesci's best performance in a Marty film. I don't dont want to spoil it too much for anyone who hasn't seen it, but his final scenes were incredible. He doesnt yell once in the entire film, and yet, he might be the scariest dude in the picture.

I thought the movie overall was phenomenal. This is a more restrained and contemplative Marty. If you're looking for the usual Marty beats (smash cuts, long dolly takes, etc.) you'll be disappointed. In other words, don't expect Goodfellas 2.0. Reminds me of later Tarantino films, where he's interested in letting scenes and dialogue play out instead of just rushing to the next sequence.

Pacino was the MVP for my money.

Pesci channels the real life Russell Bufalino, the character had to be quiet, reserved, calculated & smart, not the loud rambunctious over the top "Mob guy" that people are used to seeing Pesci play.

He did justice to the role & to the real man, it's the best & closest depiction of the actual person captured in a film.

What's interesting is originally he wanted to play Harvey Keitel's role of Angelo Bruno, but Scorsese wanted him for Bufalino & he was reluctant to play him & didn't really want to do another mob flick, De Niro had to convince him to do it & wouldn't be like all the other characters he's played.

 

[Memnon]

He definitely didn’t kill Hoffa or Joe Gallo.

Michael Franzese confirmed that on Twitter the other day and obviously he would know.

Yeah I watched a documentary on it a few years ago & one of the FBI agents that had been investigating the murder for years said it was highly highly unlikely that Sheeran did the hit. They believe Hoffa's driver Chuckie O'Brien was in it on though, but most investigators believe it was the Giacalone brothers & a few other Detroit mob guys that did it.

 

[nystateofmind]

Yeah I watched a documentary on it a few years ago & one of the FBI agents that had been investigating the murder for years said it was highly highly unlikely that Sheeran did the hit. They believe Hoffa's driver Chuckie O'Brien was in it on though, but most investigators believe it was the Giacalone brothers & a few other Detroit mob guys that did it.

If the movie is accurate regarding the build up to it, Hoffa had it coming.

He was warned several times and just wouldn’t back down.

 

[Stylie]

Very good.

 

[Mikep]

I think people were expecting a typical Mob movie from Scorsese, but it was more so about telling the story of Frank Sheeran based on the book by Charles Brandt.

The real life story of the Hoffa murder would've been more action packed but this film wasn't supposed to be another Goodfellas like a lot of people would've thought it was.

In real life I don't believe Sheeran killed Hoffa though, it was Tony Giacalone & his brother orchestrated by Provenzano, Jack Tocco & Carlo Licata, ordered by the Teamsters leadership through Bufalino, then his body was disposed of by the guys that ran the sanitation company in Detroit who were all Mafia connected. His body will never be found because they cremated him.

LCE
an expert in south fl recruiting, and mob life lol

 

[Suarez]

Interesting.

I thought the dialogue and acting was very good, but the overall story was a bit lacking.

What dialogue did you find memorable? Or even remotely comparable to the that in movies like the Departed, Casino, Good Fellas...

 

[nystateofmind]

What dialogue did you find memorable? Or even remotely comparable to the that in movies like the Departed, Casino, Good Fellas...

The scenes with Pacino and Stephen Graham were phenomenal.

De Niro’s talk with the nurse was also very good.

 

[01Falsetto]

If your expecting the movie to be like goodfellas and casino you won’t like it. But if your opened minded it’s a great movie

 

[Memnon]

LCE
an expert in south fl recruiting, and mob life lol

Lol!

I'm a film buff & I love Mafia movies & documentaries, I've seen hundreds of them.

Also a huge fan of Martial Arts movies, I know those real well too, even more than Mafia flicks lol.