OT:NBA regular season suspended

[For_The_U]

Or perhaps its lesser known cousin, Flavor-Aid?

Flavor-Aid was actually used at Jonestown, but Kool Aid got the credit/blame.

Learn something new every day.

 

[JD08]

The mortality rates would be much lower today, but you should read in depth into it. It’s a scary virus. It would literally overwhelm the immune systems of people, I’m not sure if antibiotics would have a huge impact. I suppose if you survive the first few days and get a secondary bacterial infection. A lot of people literally dropped dead after just a few days. It was insane.

Diagnosis is better, treatments to ease symptoms is better. It would still be scary, but the 57-58 or 68-69 flu outbreaks are probably equivalent.

 

[MovingZen]

Look, you are a complete fraud. You are JUST AS BAD as those who you claim are "overreacting".

Every time something like this happens, there are extremes.

And you are on the "nothing is wrong" extreme.

Meanwhile, it is possible to minimize the impact by PROJECTING how much harm could arise from doing nothing AND THEN DOING SOMETHING TO PREVENT THAT.

But in order for billions of people to get off their filthy ****s and start doing something like washing their hands, using hand sanitizer, minimizing travel, etc., they have to actually believe that there is a threat.

So the dopey jag-offs like you, who keep telling us that flu and breast cancer are "worse" are blithely convincing the idiot sheep not to treat this as if it is anything out of the ordinary. Or you act as if there is a political motivation. Or any one of a dozen other ignorant responses.

Nobody ON ANY SIDE OF THIS disagrees that Coronavirus impacts elderly and/or unhealthy people more significantly. THAT is not the point. It is HOW certain people use that information that is the problem. Because the "everything is fine, let's talk about football" crowd is lulling people into inaction. And inaction will allow the problem to reach its "potential" spread numbers.

So here's an idea. Don't panic. But take precautions. If the trade-off is "let's have 2 crappy weeks of no sports" for "coronavirus never reached the projected impact numbers", then all sides should view it as a victory.

This kind of crap has happened over and over and over again. Virus/flu outbreak begins. Nobody does anything. Impact is greater than it should have been. Why don't we just TRY once to take precautions and minimize the problem?

Here you go, this was 100 years ago. Spanish flu? Hey, but we can't cancel the parade...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/12/pandemic-parade-flu-coronavirus/

Try to be smarter. If you pride yourself on being so "Empirical", then don't be an idiot. Not everything is "media hype" and "ad sales" and "politics". We all know that the older you are and the unhealthier you are, the more that you are at risk for ANYTHING that happens in life.

But those things do not equate to "there is nothing to see here, go back to ordinary life".

Walk a middle pathway. Take precautions, but don't freak out. It's really not that difficult.

You waste your time. There are some people you should just avoid engaging with.

 

[blushrts]

'Don't panic' says US woman who recovered from coronavirus

An American woman who has recovered from the novel coronavirus has a simple message for people who are worried: Don't panic -- but do think about high-risk individuals and stay home if you feel ill. Elizabeth Schneider lives in Seattle, the biggest city of Washington state, which has the most...

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I think some black helicopters are going to be following her next...she isn't sticking to the script in Seattle.

Is she, perhaps, sleepless?

For every person like her who rationally stayed home, there are hundreds who won't and can't because they won't get paid if they miss work. This country is full of people who stick their middle finger up and eat whatever the heck they want for 50 years expect modern medicine to give them a pill to clean out their clogged arteries, fix their high blood pressure, and their diabetes.

No better way to spread this around than put 25K people in close proximity to each other every night.

My wife came home from the nursing home she works in ****ed off because 2 families of residents were visiting after traveling overseas.

So no, I don't think most people will do the right thing voluntarily.

 

[For_The_U]

Bringing up the Spanish flu is a bad luck thing to do. That was on a whole other level, especially since it killed quickly, and preferred the younger and healthy, which is much more destructive to society (nothing against senior citizens). Whole young families would be wiped out by the Spanish flu. What a horrible way to die, people literally drowning in their own fluids. And back then with literally no supportive care. Knock on wood. Hope we never see something like this.

Agree. Spanish Flu is a red herring. You'll notice he elected to reference the one from a century+ ago rather than the half dozen or so viruses in modern times, which are from the same genealogy as coronavirus, that were successfully managed and for the most part completely put behind us. The world did not come to a screeching halt during any of those episodes. And by the way, most of those I mentioned before (SARS, MERS, H2N2) had both a higher infection rate and overall mortality rate.

 

[For_The_U]

No, I'm not worried about the middle. I'm in the middle. The problem is the idiots in the Baghdad bob camp who are claiming this is nothing and that the whole thing is much ado about nothing when there's a **** ton of evidence that it's a serious issue. Those fools are gonna **** the rest of us. I'm saying when you Bob it, this is where you end up(lock down, building makeshift hospitals). The people in the middle who know there's a problem and aren't freaking out are hopefully the ones that keep us from ending up like China and Italy. Italy went from 2 cases to full lock down in just over a month. You know this, but we have guys in here saying no biggie it only kills old people (paraphrase). "It only kills old people" just might be some people's last words. If you're one of the people on forums trying to convince everyone this is no big deal, you're in the Baghdad Bob camp.

Wow. Like every word I said to you just sailed right over your head. Ok, cool. Hook 'em!

 

[Empirical Cane]

Agree. Spanish Flu is a red herring. You'll notice he elected to reference the one from a century+ ago rather than the half dozen or so viruses in modern times, which are from the same genealogy as coronavirus, that were successfully managed and for the most part completely put behind us. The world did not come to a screeching halt during any of those episodes. And by the way, most of those I mentioned before (SARS, MERS, H2N2) had both a higher infection rate and overall mortality rate.

Funny how he did that right?

 

[Empirical Cane]

Interesting, because any media outlet says the exactly same thing, as you. Must be extremely credible for this reason.

Not any.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

For every person like her who rationally stayed home, there are hundreds who won't and can't because they won't get paid if they miss work. This country is full of people who stick their middle finger up and eat whatever the heck they want for 50 years expect modern medicine to give them a pill to clean out their clogged arteries, fix their high blood pressure, and their diabetes.

No better way to spread this around than put 25K people in close proximity to each other every night.

My wife came home from the nursing home she works in ****ed off because 2 families of residents were visiting after traveling overseas.

So no, I don't think most people will do the right thing voluntarily.

That’s insane...too bad she couldn’t kick them out. Check Washington state

 

[Empirical Cane]

That's what people like you do.

You mischaracterize a reaction, or even a mild overreaction, into a mass hysteria.

"Cancel Christmas". Yeaaaaah, that's what's happening, right. Over-over-reactors like you turn "until further notice", which may well be 2 weeks, into "Cancel Christmas 9 months from now".

"A poster" stated "his entire baseball season was cancelled"? And YOU turn THAT into "Cancel Christmas"? Now you're the hysterical one.

I have no idea who "a poster" is or what constitutes "his entire baseball season". MLB has not cancelled "the entire baseball season". The NCAA has not cancelled "the entire baseball season".

It's people like you, with your "flu is worse, cancer is worse, car accidents are worse" nonsense that delude people into doing nothing, thus making the problem worse. That is reality.

Spin your stats any way you want to. Suck down all your "perspective". Blame the media. Blame politics.

But the rest of us can take precautions.

You want to whine about things shutting down for a couple of weeks? Maybe we should spend MORE money on the CDC instead of cutting the budget.

Pound-wise, penny-foolish. That phrase pre-dates all of your stats, the modern media, and Democrats vs. Republicans.

Go sit at home and complain about everyone overreacting, instead of dealing with the reality of what is happening. I am not saying that there is no overreaction. But trying to act like you are "smarter" than everyone else, instead of recognizing that there is a problem and doing something to help to manage the crisis is just ridiculous.

You are certainly very special friend. Very.

Go Canes.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Bringing up the Spanish flu is a bad luck thing to do. That was on a whole other level, especially since it killed quickly, and preferred the younger and healthy, which is much more destructive to society (nothing against senior citizens). Whole young families would be wiped out by the Spanish flu. What a horrible way to die, people literally drowning in their own fluids. And back then with literally no supportive care. Knock on wood. Hope we never see something like this.

"Bad luck"? No, it is just an EXAMPLE of how (not so long ago) we tended to minimize the impact before we knew all of the details.

Everything you say about the Spanish Flu is correct, but that doesn't mean that information was known at the outset. "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" is great, it helps us to analyze what happened, but we also need to develop a game plan in advance.

I hope we never have an outbreak as bad as Spanish Flu. But we may also never know how many times in the past 100 years that we PREVENTED something just as bad, by having modern approaches like the CDC.

If the choice is "inaction, and the problem is worse" and "overreaction, and the problem is minimized, though people go a little crazy in the meantime", it seems rational to prefer overreaction.

It doesn't matter if dipsh!tes like Empirical cite statistics, if they use those statistics to justify inaction. This isn't a competition. Spanish Flu doesn't get a gold medal for being more deadly. We can actually urge people to take precautions, we can STRONGLY urge people to take precautions, and that doesn't make us "hysterical".

But the whole "let's put this into perspective, anal lube has killed more people than Coronavirus" crowd is not helping the situation to get any better. But it sure makes them feel better about themselves. "I'm so smart, I'm not falling for the hype". Yeah, whatever.

 

[MovingZen]

Wow. Like every word I said to you just sailed right over your head. Ok, cool. Hook 'em!

You're taking what I'm saying differently then how I'm saying it. I'm good with reasonable people. I'm not good with fools. No, I'm not saying you're one of the fools. The fools are going to get us all into trouble. Good luck.

 

[Empirical Cane]

You make some very good points. But you too, unfortunately, succumb to absolutism. For example...

"This kind of crap has happened over and over and over again. Virus/flu outbreak begins. Nobody does anything. Impact is greater than it should have been. Why don't we just TRY once to take precautions and minimize the problem?"

Nobody ever does anything, huh? How about H2N2, MERS, SARS, Ebola? All were packaged by the media in similar hysteria of how they would devastate the global population. None ultimately did. So why in your view is it "nobody does anything" and "why can't we just TRY for once to take precautions"? Seems to me you're presenting a distorted reality.

And then you state:
"If the trade-off is "let's have 2 crappy weeks of no sports" for "coronavirus never reached the projected impact numbers", then all sides should view it as a victory."

Sure, if that was the entirety of this in a vacuum I can't imagine there is anyone who would disagree with that statement. But what about this slightly modified and in my opinion more accurate statement:

"If the trade-off is "let's have 2 crappy weeks of no sports" and our economy absolutely devastated for "coronavirus never reached the projected impact numbers", then all sides should view it as a victory."

I'm not sure one would view that as the same level of "victory".

I remember Avian Flu was going to kill us all in 2007.

Indonesian jungles were the then Wuhan.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The Spanish Flu of 1918 preceded the use of antibiotics and antivirals and really is irrelevant for comparison.

It is not a comparison of 1918 medicine vs. 2020 medicine.

It is a comparison of 1918 government response/business precautions vs. 2020 government response/business precautions.

 

[Empirical Cane]

"Bad luck"? No, it is just an EXAMPLE of how (not so long ago) we tended to minimize the impact before we knew all of the details.

Everything you say about the Spanish Flu is correct, but that doesn't mean that information was known at the outset. "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" is great, it helps us to analyze what happened, but we also need to develop a game plan in advance.

I hope we never have an outbreak as bad as Spanish Flu. But we may also never know how many times in the past 100 years that we PREVENTED something just as bad, by having modern approaches like the CDC.

If the choice is "inaction, and the problem is worse" and "overreaction, and the problem is minimized, though people go a little crazy in the meantime", it seems rational to prefer overreaction.

It doesn't matter if dipsh!tes like Empirical cite statistics, if they use those statistics to justify inaction. This isn't a competition. Spanish Flu doesn't get a gold medal for being more deadly. We can actually urge people to take precautions, we can STRONGLY urge people to take precautions, and that doesn't make us "hysterical".

But the whole "let's put this into perspective, anal lube has killed more people than Coronavirus" crowd is not helping the situation to get any better. But it sure makes them feel better about themselves. "I'm so smart, I'm not falling for the hype". Yeah, whatever.

Well now dipsh!t is just offensive and hurtful.

I'm crushed.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

"Bad luck"? No, it is just an EXAMPLE of how (not so long ago) we tended to minimize the impact before we knew all of the details.

Everything you say about the Spanish Flu is correct, but that doesn't mean that information was known at the outset. "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" is great, it helps us to analyze what happened, but we also need to develop a game plan in advance.

I hope we never have an outbreak as bad as Spanish Flu. But we may also never know how many times in the past 100 years that we PREVENTED something just as bad, by having modern approaches like the CDC.

If the choice is "inaction, and the problem is worse" and "overreaction, and the problem is minimized, though people go a little crazy in the meantime", it seems rational to prefer overreaction.

It doesn't matter if dipsh!tes like Empirical cite statistics, if they use those statistics to justify inaction. This isn't a competition. Spanish Flu doesn't get a gold medal for being more deadly. We can actually urge people to take precautions, we can STRONGLY urge people to take precautions, and that doesn't make us "hysterical".

But the whole "let's put this into perspective, anal lube has killed more people than Coronavirus" crowd is not helping the situation to get any better. But it sure makes them feel better about themselves. "I'm so smart, I'm not falling for the hype". Yeah, whatever.

The train has left the station. Social distancing, even extreme, will be more the norm for at least the next few weeks. We will know so much more about the US spread then which hopefully will allow for a more targeted approach.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You waste your time. There are some people you should just avoid engaging with.

True.

In person or online, I will avoid anyone who argues that we don't need to worry about Coronavirus because other illnesses are worse.

Problem solved.

 

[JD08]

It is not a comparison of 1918 medicine vs. 2020 medicine.

It is a comparison of 1918 government response/business precautions vs. 2020 government response/business precautions.

But it was almost 30 years before the CDC was even started. Medicine was not even close to what we have now. Comparing anything pre-WW2 to now just isn't a valid comparison.

 

[Empirical Cane]

It is not a comparison of 1918 medicine vs. 2020 medicine.

It is a comparison of 1918 government response/business precautions vs. 2020 government response/business precautions.

You can't find the bottom of a mud puddle with your examples.

Happy to have a reasonable and credible discussion when you can bring it.

 

[jhtheking]

Look, you are a complete fraud. You are JUST AS BAD as those who you claim are "overreacting".

Every time something like this happens, there are extremes.

And you are on the "nothing is wrong" extreme.

Meanwhile, it is possible to minimize the impact by PROJECTING how much harm could arise from doing nothing AND THEN DOING SOMETHING TO PREVENT THAT.

But in order for billions of people to get off their filthy ****s and start doing something like washing their hands, using hand sanitizer, minimizing travel, etc., they have to actually believe that there is a threat.

So the dopey jag-offs like you, who keep telling us that flu and breast cancer are "worse" are blithely convincing the idiot sheep not to treat this as if it is anything out of the ordinary. Or you act as if there is a political motivation. Or any one of a dozen other ignorant responses.

Nobody ON ANY SIDE OF THIS disagrees that Coronavirus impacts elderly and/or unhealthy people more significantly. THAT is not the point. It is HOW certain people use that information that is the problem. Because the "everything is fine, let's talk about football" crowd is lulling people into inaction. And inaction will allow the problem to reach its "potential" spread numbers.

So here's an idea. Don't panic. But take precautions. If the trade-off is "let's have 2 crappy weeks of no sports" for "coronavirus never reached the projected impact numbers", then all sides should view it as a victory.

This kind of crap has happened over and over and over again. Virus/flu outbreak begins. Nobody does anything. Impact is greater than it should have been. Why don't we just TRY once to take precautions and minimize the problem?

Here you go, this was 100 years ago. Spanish flu? Hey, but we can't cancel the parade...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/12/pandemic-parade-flu-coronavirus/

Try to be smarter. If you pride yourself on being so "Empirical", then don't be an idiot. Not everything is "media hype" and "ad sales" and "politics". We all know that the older you are and the unhealthier you are, the more that you are at risk for ANYTHING that happens in life.

But those things do not equate to "there is nothing to see here, go back to ordinary life".

Walk a middle pathway. Take precautions, but don't freak out. It's really not that difficult.

@Empirical Cane is dumbest person on canesinsight