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OT: Nascar All Star Race at Bristol Motor Speedway Tonight

1LuvCane said:
Hamelin baby!!!!!
Resident board cry baby needs a corn dog and a Budweiser and go catch his undersized snook....
For all the attendance nonsense, NASCAR was the first sport back with great ratings. I feel like the fams in attendance thing is more about natural progression....
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"Hamlin".

Everyone needs to settle down, it's the All-Star Race. Usually, Bruton has to sell those tickets as a package deal with the Coke 600.

Also, people need to differentiate between "live attendance" and "TV ratings". ****, right now live broadcasts of Cornhole and The Spelling Bee will get ratings.
 
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jackbenimble71 said:
nascar has ****ed of most of their fan base by joining forces with the biggest hoax perpetrated on them by Bubba. Bubba did more damage to Nascar than anyone. Tearing down good people by using the racist hammer with a hoax to get attention to himself and then doubling down on his actions. nascar should have banned him. bubba imputed good every day people. Nascar will never be the same after hoax bubba perpetrated.
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Nah, the COT and the coke sniffing homo Brian France killed nascar. Been running fans off for 15+ years
 
Well crap, I used to watch NASCAR growing up and always wanted them to move the All Star race to Bristol. It’s by far the best track.

I lost interest years ago though.
 
JBCanes-NC said:
Nah, the COT and the coke sniffing homo Brian France killed nascar. Been running fans off for 15+ years
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Brian France is not ***, though he has very poor judgment with women and substances.

And NASCAR has been losing fans for a while. The days of "piling the wife and 6 kids into the pickup truck and buying a couple of buckets of chicken on the way in before drinking beer all day and smoking a carton of cigarettes" are over.

NASCAR knew that well before the Car of Tomorrow.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Brian France is not ***, though he has very poor judgment with women and substances.

And NASCAR has been losing fans for a while. The days of "piling the wife and 6 kids into the pickup truck and buying a couple of buckets of chicken on the way in before drinking beer all day and smoking a carton of cigarettes" are over.

NASCAR knew that well before the Car of Tomorrow.
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Didn’t I say 15+ years. COT was 08. They ran off their core base with their **** rules packages and all those new, snore fest 1.5ers. This new package is the worst yet. COT was definitely the biggest factor that started the biggest down tick in attendance
 
JBCanes-NC said:
Didn’t I say 15+ years. COT was 08. They ran off their core base with their **** rules packages and all those new, snore fest 1.5ers. This new package is the worst yet. COT was definitely the biggest factor that started the biggest down tick in attendance
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And I worked there in 2008. The attendance was declining before that, or should I say, they had to do a lot more "ticket promotions" to fill the seats. The Daytona 500 sold out in 2008 (50th anniversary) and has not sold the same number of tickets since (and, yes, I realize that capacity is lower now).

Trust me, I was on weekly phone calls with the controllers discussing ticket sales. Outside critics can blame the COT, but there was trouble before that. I'm not denying that the racing has changed (it has), but that's not why people are abandoning the sport. The demographics have changed, and the old days aren't coming back.
 
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JgDaCane said:
Can’t wait. Bristol at night with the underglows. Gonna be great. Erik Jones 20/1. Worth a look.
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Not a bad bet. I sprinkled some on Keslowski and my long shot is JJ. I don’t like that he’s starting I believe 14th but he’s been so good at Bristol it’s worth a shot. Also like Blaney tonight. He’s got decent value at 10-1 starting in the second row.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And I worked there in 2008. The attendance was declining before that, or should I say, they had to do a lot more "ticket promotions" to fill the seats. The Daytona 500 sold out in 2008 (50th anniversary) and has not sold the same number of tickets since (and, yes, I realize that capacity is lower now).

Trust me, I was on weekly phone calls with the controllers discussing ticket sales. Outside critics can blame the COT, but there was trouble before that. I'm not denying that the racing has changed (it has), but that's not why people are abandoning the sport. The demographics have changed, and the old days aren't coming back.
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I was at the race in 07. Sat and Sunday. So if the ****ty racing brought on by the COT and the stupid chase didn’t cause fans to turn away, what did? I know people that left because of it. Also that’s why I said nascar has been running off fans for 15+ years. Bruton Smith is the biggest pos there is
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And I worked there in 2008. The attendance was declining before that, or should I say, they had to do a lot more "ticket promotions" to fill the seats. The Daytona 500 sold out in 2008 (50th anniversary) and has not sold the same number of tickets since (and, yes, I realize that capacity is lower now).

Trust me, I was on weekly phone calls with the controllers discussing ticket sales. Outside critics can blame the COT, but there was trouble before that. I'm not denying that the racing has changed (it has), but that's not why people are abandoning the sport. The demographics have changed, and the old days aren't coming back.
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I think a big reason is the golden days are over. The legends are all gone. Nobody knows anything about the new kids. Chase Elliot, Erik Jones, Alex Bowman, Cole Custer, Tyler Reddick etc. It’s hard to get excited about young guys when they’re driving a car and not hitting bombs, dunking on everybody, or laying out wide receivers.

Not to mention the “win and in,” chase rules and the stages they have now. It’s an entirely different sport and chances are if you didn’t grow up watching it with parents or family you don’t get magically interested in it out of nowhere. I grew up watching with my dad bc he grew up watching the legends drive every week. But as soon as his guys retired, like most older folks he quit watching. It isn’t getting passed on to future generations anymore.
 
JBCanes-NC said:
Bristol has been **** since the progressive banking in 2007 that turned it into a mini Dover.
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Last race I went to in Bristol was '94. There were about 80K seats at that time and the stands were packed in like sardines. Bruton kept expanding until he hit 150K and it still wasn't enough seats. They had a waiting list of over 50K about 10 years ago. You're absolutely right in that when they "ground" the surface to make it progressive banking and a 2 groove track, the beatin' and bangin' became a thing of the past and the fans stopped coming.

Used to sell out 150K for the cup race and have 100K for Xfinity. Traffic around here was a nightmare and us locals hibernated for 2 weeks. Those days are long gone.
 
KevinCaneFace said:
Well crap, I used to watch NASCAR growing up and always wanted them to move the All Star race to Bristol. It’s by far the best track.

I lost interest years ago though.
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Fans have been hollerin' for the All Star Race to be held in Bristol for a long time. They got their wish; just at a bad time.
 
NC_Canes_11 said:
I think a big reason is the golden days are over. The legends are all gone. Nobody knows anything about the new kids. Chase Elliot, Erik Jones, Alex Bowman, Cole Custer, Tyler Reddick etc. It’s hard to get excited about young guys when they’re driving a car and not hitting bombs, dunking on everybody, or laying out wide receivers.

Not to mention the “win and in,” chase rules and the stages they have now. It’s an entirely different sport and chances are if you didn’t grow up watching it with parents or family you don’t get magically interested in it out of nowhere. I grew up watching with my dad bc he grew up watching the legends drive every week. But as soon as his guys retired, like most older folks he quit watching. It isn’t getting passed on to future generations anymore.
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It's a ton of things. Literally, there is a perfect storm that has wiped out NASCAR's future. It's not just the COT or the aero rules. It's, literally, everything you mentioned and more.

It's the demographics, it's the sport, it's the drivers, it's a changing world. I could list probably 25 different reasons, and each one probably knocked anywhere from 1% to 5% of the fanbase out.

I'm not disputing the COT having some impact, and I'm sure you know people who have that opinion. I'm just saying there are a lot of other reasons too, and they all have an impact.

Honestly, I don't even know if NASCAR will exist in 25 years. All the car manufacturers are putting their R&D into safety and fuel efficiency, much more so than "how fast" the car can go, not to mention electric cars. And the whole "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" thing is dying out.

Once the manufacturers don't spend the money, the "sport" component will be gone.

And then there will be virtual racing competitions.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
What?

Bristol is a huge track. I've watched races from the infield, it has 150,000 seats.

Bristol and Charlotte are both owned by Bruton Smith, and Bristol was the closest Speedway Motorsports track to Charlotte. I'm sure Bruton thought he had come up with some genius master stroke that was going to work out great for him, but it's a mid-week race in a tiny town, and Covid spread is on the upswing again. ****, even Trump's last rally was an attendance dud.

I'm not sure why anyone thought this was going to work out well, that 30,000 people were just going to go out in the middle of the week and in the middle of Covid for a non-Cup-points race.
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Bristol is the 2nd SHORTEST track in NASCAR. Ton of seats tho. It’s like a bowl. I get the proximity thing tho
 
NASCAR = NAPCAR. Boring!

IMSA/endurance racing should have been bigger. In that series they race in the rain and turn right.
 
Port Knox said:
Bristol is the 2nd SHORTEST track in NASCAR. Ton of seats tho. It’s like a bowl. I get the proximity thing tho
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As I said, I've been to Bristol, I know it's a short track. I just think it's a silly location for Bruton to choose. If you want people to socially-distance, you pick a huge track like Daytona where the grandstands are spread out more (the front-stretch stands are a mile long). Though I know Bruton wouldn't do that, because Daytona is owned by the Frances.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
As I said, I've been to Bristol, I know it's a short track. I just think it's a silly location for Bruton to choose. If you want people to socially-distance, you pick a huge track like Daytona where the grandstands are spread out more (the front-stretch stands are a mile long). Though I know Bruton wouldn't do that, because Daytona is owned by the Frances.
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Or Atlanta or even Richmond if they didn’t want to go too far. And you’re right, plus I doubt they’d go to Daytona as well with Florida’s COVID #s thru the roof.
 
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