OT - LeBatard vs Manfred

[Zbrod95]

Jeter needs to make the playoffs and keep the team together. That is the only way to get the fanbase back.

If he does that, baseball in Miami will be fine. Until then, there will be no interest. But there wasn't interest anyway.

This. I keep telling Marlins fans this when they complain about the new ownership. Why pay Stanton 30 million a year to play in front of an empty stadium every night? Of course people will show up if they start winning but the team had a 140 million+ payroll and still sucked. They have nobody in their farm system and they can't afford to drop another 30 40 million on free agents (especially when they make very little of tickets and TV) just to become semi competetive again. The whole organization was a huge dumpster fire and needed a complete overhaul. That's why they fired everybody and hit reset. I don't know if the new owners will be able to do it right this time but the fans that are expecting them to sink hundreds of millions more into a team that A) draws no fans and B) they just paid a billion + for live in fantasy world.

I should I drive an hour and a half to watch a poorly assembled, top heavy roster that can’t pitch? Btw we never had a 140 + payroll. Loria structured the Stanton contract so I would reach that point in 2020...or just enough to sell the team.

 

[MikeCane18]

The sad thing is that 2 minutes into the interview Manfred completely lied. Whether you agree with the decisions and owners have a right to do what they want to do the issue is this ownership group should have never been sold the team and MLB really wanted to sell it to the group that included Derek Jeter, the MLB angel, because of the optics of the whole thing. If I knew how to embed tweets I would post Jorge Sedano's tweet about the plan to slash payroll and how it was shared with all the MLB owners including the MLB commissioner. He's a lying POS and Dan is right, MLB and this ownership group don't deserve a customer. Get MLB out of Miami.

 

[gogeta4]

i swear le batard has the most fans on this board. Funny how he came at dude on the phone though, when he would likely never do a face to face interview that way

 

[Zbrod95]

Fire sale needed to happen. If the fans don't give the team revenue to sustain a contract of Stanton's size, then the owners shouldn't be expected dish out their own money to float the payroll. The franchise is a business, simple as that. Don't like it? Go to more games -- give them a reason and support to keep Stanton.

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

 

[HurricaneHauk]

Fire sale needed to happen. If the fans don't give the team revenue to sustain a contract of Stanton's size, then the owners shouldn't be expected dish out their own money to float the payroll. The franchise is a business, simple as that. Don't like it? Go to more games -- give them a reason and support to keep Stanton.

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

 

[Zbrod95]

Fire sale needed to happen. If the fans don't give the team revenue to sustain a contract of Stanton's size, then the owners shouldn't be expected dish out their own money to float the payroll. The franchise is a business, simple as that. Don't like it? Go to more games -- give them a reason and support to keep Stanton.

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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[HurricaneHauk]

Fire sale needed to happen. If the fans don't give the team revenue to sustain a contract of Stanton's size, then the owners shouldn't be expected dish out their own money to float the payroll. The franchise is a business, simple as that. Don't like it? Go to more games -- give them a reason and support to keep Stanton.

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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From another message board

he Marlins had the 26th ranked pitching in baseball last year, 77-85 record, 20 games out of 1st place and 16 games out of the top Wild Card spot. They're payroll was going to jump to 140+ mil this year, double what it was just in 2016. That puts them somewhere in the 40-60 mil range over budget. They have no farm system to provide pitching. What do you propose they do?? Throw more money at the team?? This narrative of being "just 1 or 2 pitchers away" is B S!! They're 7-8 pitchers away!! They maybe have a #5 starter on their current staff. Outside of Strekenrider, not a single arm in the bullpen with a sub 3 ERA. But yeah, just 1 or 2 pitchers away. The Marlins were at least 3 high quality starters and 4 or so bullpen arms away, and I'm not sure if you've seen the price of pitching, it's not cheap. Suggesting it'd cost 50-60 mil is probably on the short end of what it'd cost to get this team the pitching it needs. That'd put their payroll around 190-200 million, which would rank top 5 in baseball. Is that what you're proposing they should have done?? Throw another 100+ mil on top of the 400 million dollars this ball club was already in debt?? It's stupid!!

 

[Hurracanes]

Great job by Lebets. Good for him.

 

[Bccrhp]

Fire sale needed to happen. If the fans don't give the team revenue to sustain a contract of Stanton's size, then the owners shouldn't be expected dish out their own money to float the payroll. The franchise is a business, simple as that. Don't like it? Go to more games -- give them a reason and support to keep Stanton.

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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I can understand the rationale for moving Stanton -- and the underwhelming return isn't surprising, given the circumstances -- but I will never understand the urgency to sell Ozuna for pennies on the dollar. The "return" from that trade was a joke.

 

[Zbrod95]

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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From another message board

he Marlins had the 26th ranked pitching in baseball last year, 77-85 record, 20 games out of 1st place and 16 games out of the top Wild Card spot. They're payroll was going to jump to 140+ mil this year, double what it was just in 2016. That puts them somewhere in the 40-60 mil range over budget. They have no farm system to provide pitching. What do you propose they do?? Throw more money at the team?? This narrative of being "just 1 or 2 pitchers away" is B S!! They're 7-8 pitchers away!! They maybe have a #5 starter on their current staff. Outside of Strekenrider, not a single arm in the bullpen with a sub 3 ERA. But yeah, just 1 or 2 pitchers away. The Marlins were at least 3 high quality starters and 4 or so bullpen arms away, and I'm not sure if you've seen the price of pitching, it's not cheap. Suggesting it'd cost 50-60 mil is probably on the short end of what it'd cost to get this team the pitching it needs. That'd put their payroll around 190-200 million, which would rank top 5 in baseball. Is that what you're proposing they should have done?? Throw another 100+ mil on top of the 400 million dollars this ball club was already in debt?? It's stupid!!

Cut/trade those four guys, trade Dee, trade Ozuna because you can’t pay him....back down to 80 mil and you still field a competitive team. The only thing you do different is that you go pitcher heavy...and you can field offers for Stanton. Do you mean to tell me that if the dodgers or New York feel they’re missing a power bat by the deadline they won’t over pay for it? Maybe Boston? Chicago? Chen is making 10 this year and 20 the next, Prado makes 13.5 and is going to make 15 next year...there’s 35 mil, Brad makes makes 9, and Tazawa makes 7. That’s 49 million in 4 aged players! Get rid off them, Dee, and Ozuna and you’re down to to about 80 mil with Volquez still on the team(I know they cut him) and I can go get 2 cost efficient starters and 2 cost efficient relievers and I’m fielding a very competitive team that could make a wild card.

 

[Zbrod95]

The anger against Jeter is bizarre. He wasn't the owner who screwed the taxpayers (the father of our beloved DC was partly responsible for that). The Marlins shelled out a huge contract for Stanton, looked like things were trending up. But then the star pitcher decided to ride the white lightning before getting behind the wheel of a speedboat, at night, with no running lights. So the plan fell apart. Team scuffled and fans stopped showing up for games. A new owner could either 1) keep adding high priced players to a team with no farm system and massively increase payroll to try to be competitive (and pray that fans show up if team doesn't win immediately, if they don't team will be hemorrhaging money) or 2) blow up the team and start over. Did the Marlins get screwed in the Stanton trade? Looks like it but let's check back in 5 years. The point of the trade was a salary dump. Would be nice to get quality players in return, but Jeter didn't give Stanton that no trade clause and the biggest MLB salary ever. Only a handful of teams could take on Stantons contract, and even then ultimately Stanton had a veto over the location (which is why he didn't get traded to st Louis, which was supposedly offering better prospects). Anybody with a scintilla of business sense would have done exactly what Jeter has done.

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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I can understand the rationale for moving Stanton -- and the underwhelming return isn't surprising, given the circumstances -- but I will never understand the urgency to sell Ozuna for pennies on the dollar. The "return" from that trade was a joke.

That return was not a joke. Alcantara projects as a frontline starter and is our best prospect as we speak and Sierra is already an elite defender with a plus arm who’s BA has gone up with higher competition...he jumped from high A to the Cardinals 40 man this year. The second pitcher projects as a 3 hole guy and he was just drafted and I can’t find much on the 4th guy.

 

[Bccrhp]

I’m mad at Jeter because I got more from the Dee Gordon trade than Stanton’s. I’m mad at Jeter because I have 4 players making 8-12 million that could’ve been traded, give the same cap relief while keeping a top 5 player in baseball, and all 4 wouldn’t be missed because they were barely used and have been hurt the last two years...they were horrible signings too and were overpaid. It wouldn’t matter if Jose was still alive because we couldn’t pitch with him in the rotation because we traded our prospects away. Loria decided to fire Beinfest even though he always kept our farm system loaded with talent because he knew he would have to destroy the roster in 3 years and it hasn’t been the same since.

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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I can understand the rationale for moving Stanton -- and the underwhelming return isn't surprising, given the circumstances -- but I will never understand the urgency to sell Ozuna for pennies on the dollar. The "return" from that trade was a joke.

That return was not a joke. Alcantara projects as a frontline starter and is our best prospect as we speak and Sierra is already an elite defender with a plus arm who’s BA has gone up with higher competition...he jumped from high A to the Cardinals 40 man this year. The second pitcher projects as a 3 hole guy and he was just drafted and I can’t find much on the 4th guy.

Sierra is probably a 4th OF on a decent team, Alcantara has upside but could easily wind up in the 'pen, Gallen will be a starter but has no upside, and the fourth guy is a long ways away. I don't care about the Marlins' fortunes one way or the other, but one top-100 prospect is not a good return for a 27-year-old All Star under team control for two more years.

 

[Zbrod95]

Do you understand Stanton had all the power? He could have gotten Bryce Harper, Scherzer, 10 fist round picks for Stanton from the Nationals and Stanton could tell Jeter to **** off

Do you understand that they didn’t have to trade him for cap relief to begin with? We have 5 players who make a combined 45 million in Prado, Volquez, Chen, Tazawa, and Ziegler. Prado/Chen haven’t done anything for this team in 2 years and Volquez, Tazawa, and Ziegler were non existent this year...trade them for scraps or release them. You don’t trade a star baseball player in their mid 20’s for two average prospects and a inconsistent 30 y/o 2nd baseman. If that made any sense then the Orioles would’ve traded Manny Machado by now instead of pulling him off the block.


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I can understand the rationale for moving Stanton -- and the underwhelming return isn't surprising, given the circumstances -- but I will never understand the urgency to sell Ozuna for pennies on the dollar. The "return" from that trade was a joke.

That return was not a joke. Alcantara projects as a frontline starter and is our best prospect as we speak and Sierra is already an elite defender with a plus arm who’s BA has gone up with higher competition...he jumped from high A to the Cardinals 40 man this year. The second pitcher projects as a 3 hole guy and he was just drafted and I can’t find much on the 4th guy.

Sierra is probably a 4th OF on a decent team, Alcantara has upside but could easily wind up in the 'pen, Gallen will be a starter but has no upside, and the fourth guy is a long ways away. I don't care about the Marlins' fortunes one way or the other, but one top-100 prospect is not a good return for a 27-year-old All Star under team control for two more years.

Sierra is not a fourth outfielder...the kid is a carbon copy of Denard Span and was starting for St.louis in September. A lot of things have to go wrong with Alcantara not to be in the rotation and that kid Guzman from NY is probably a closer because he can’t hit the strike zone.


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[Tad Footeball]

Jeter needs to make the playoffs and keep the team together. That is the only way to get the fanbase back.

If he does that, baseball in Miami will be fine. Until then, there will be no interest. But there wasn't interest anyway

This. I keep telling Marlins fans this when they complain about the new ownership. Why pay Stanton 30 million a year to play in front of an empty stadium every night? Of course people will show up if they start winning but the team had a 140 million+ payroll and still sucked. They have nobody in their farm system and they can't afford to drop another 30 40 million on free agents (especially when they make very little of tickets and TV) just to become semi competetive again. The whole organization was a huge dumpster fire and needed a complete overhaul. That's why they fired everybody and hit reset. I don't know if the new owners will be able to do it right this time but the fans that are expecting them to sink hundreds of millions more into a team that A) draws no fans and B) they just paid a billion + for live in fantasy world.

Except they didn't.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

I predict that at some point David Beckham's MLS soccer team will be playing their home games at "Marlins Park" while the Marlins organization will be playing their "home" games in another state.

**** this organization. Get the **** out of town already. The past, present, and future sins produced and currently being put into motion by this franchise have completely turned me off to this team. I openly root for them to lose every game and honestly could care less about them at this point.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

 

[Zbrod95]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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[monkey1371]

Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Who is knocking down the door for a 34 year old light hitting 3rd baseman coming off missing 125 games last season with a bad knee, who if your lucky may be a .280/12/70 guy due to make $13.5 and $15 million over the next 2 seasons?

Tazawa and his 5.69 ERA last season......teams should be lining up for his services at $7 million a year

And you forgot Wei-Yin Chen who is due $10, $20 and $22 million over the next three year. That single handily may be the worst contract in the history of baseball when you factor in the entire situation regarding team finances.

Honestly......if you were a baseball GM......would you trade for any of these three and why? You can get the same production from league minimum guys.

 

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Do people understand that you cannot just "cut" players in baseball and make their salary go away? That's the reason Jacoby Ellsbury is still with the Yankees. If you cut a player and another team signs that player, the new team only pays league minimum. The team that cut the player is still responsible for paying the remaining amount of the contract.

So Prado doesn’t have trade value? Tazawa doesn’t have trade value? Volquez didn’t have trade value before he was cut? There’s 35 mil in tradable money...


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Nobody is going to want to trade for Prado's contract. Only the Marlins would overpay a slap hitting third baseman in his 30's. Volquez isn't going to pitch this year after Tommy John surgery and even when he does come back the guy is borderline major league starter anyway. Tazawa might have some value but again, he's highly overpaid to be a mediocre middle reliever.

It's these contracts + Wen's that forced the Marlins to dump Stanton, Gordon and Osuna. Paying Stanton a ridiculous amount of money wasn't a terrible decision but throwing a bunch of money at bad pitchers and a glorified utility infielder was. Nobody is going to take those contracts.

 

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[MENTION=6097]monkey1371[/MENTION] pretty much beat me to the punch. I agree 100%.