OT: Jarvis Landry to the Browns

Don't disagree if you are looking only through that lens, but if we are talking totality, this is the fourth starter we've let walk out the door and got nothing in return.

This battle was lost when you spent money on Kiki Alonso instead of extending Jarvis, etc. He clearly outpeformed his $900k while the guy you paid salsa danced his way down Las Olas to be the mediocre tweener he always has been.

In totality it is another poorly executed roster move in a string of horrific and incompetent decisions. You can be blah on this in isolation but continuing to let go of your best assets for less than they're worth (or nothing) doesn't work in any business.
Tanenbaum is simply atrocious and has to go. You're right, a string of bad moves somewhat boxed Miami into the situation they were in with Jarvis. If they don't give bad deals to Alonso, Suh, Branch, Pouncey, Timmons (who even after being cut is on the books for $2.75M in dead cap money this year), etc then maybe they could have given Jarvis $13M/year. The Dolphins have so many issues it's depressing.
 
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Tanenbaum is simply atrocious and has to go. You're right, a string of bad moves somewhat boxed Miami into the situation they were in with Jarvis. If they don't give bad deals to Alonso, Suh, Branch, Pouncey, Timmons (who even after being cut is on the books for $2.75M in dead cap money this year), etc then maybe they could have given Jarvis $13M/year. The Dolphins have so many issues it's depressing.
May cut Suh too because of he has like a $25 million cap number or something this year.
 
Yes, but not until 2019 and I believe it was Jimmy Johnson who came up with the theory that a draft pick next year is worth one round later than a draft pick this year. So in essence Miami got just that (throw in the 7th round pick we get next year and we slightly came out ahead using that logic).

Our front office is on thin ice and assuredly knows it. It scares me what they might do in both free agency and the Draft. I can see them mortgaging the future with regard to both. So why not do the same with Landry and just pay him? I think it was more Gase not wanting an alpha on the team challenging him, much like was the case with Ajayi. We'll know that's not true if they end up getting Baker Mayfield, but that's my guess.


They suck, but what makes you say they're on thin ice?
 
What do they do with Isaiah Crowell? Trade him for like a 6th or something? His yards per carry is hot garbage. I'm still not sure they don't take a QB #1, but I hope you're right because it just means there's a greater chance Mayfield or Rosen falls to Miami 11th.

The Browns simply don't use Duke properly. I had him on my fantasy team, it was maddening to see him get less than 5 carries in a game and instead they turn him into a WR.

If the Browns take Barkley, it will be interesting to see if he will be that early down back and relegate Duke to 3rd down duty or if they go with a RBC approach.

Having Landry in the slot may open up some room for Duke to catch some balls out of the backfield instead of lining up as a WR. I know he led the Browns in receptions last year.
 
Tanenbaum is simply atrocious and has to go. You're right, a string of bad moves somewhat boxed Miami into the situation they were in with Jarvis. If they don't give bad deals to Alonso, Suh, Branch, Pouncey, Timmons (who even after being cut is on the books for $2.75M in dead cap money this year), etc then maybe they could have given Jarvis $13M/year. The Dolphins have so many issues it's depressing.
I never understood the Branch or Timmons deals. Branch is a journeyman and Timmons hasn’t been above average since 3 years ago although it’s rumored he’s going to be cut. This trade seems like a rush to get rid of cap...there’s also rumors that they want to cut Julius Thomas and replace him with Trey Burton(I prefer Jimmy Graham but whatever) so it looks like a cap relief move to get Burton and resign Robert Quinn.
 
Yes, but not until 2019 and I believe it was Jimmy Johnson who came up with the theory that a draft pick next year is worth one round later than a draft pick this year. So in essence Miami got just that (throw in the 7th round pick we get next year and we slightly came out ahead using that logic).

Our front office is on thin ice and assuredly knows it. It scares me what they might do in both free agency and the Draft. I can see them mortgaging the future with regard to both. So why not do the same with Landry and just pay him? I think it was more Gase not wanting an alpha on the team challenging him, much like was the case with Ajayi. We'll know that's not true if they end up getting Baker Mayfield, but that's my guess.
Because Landry wanted top tier money and they didn’t value him as top tier. They probably think they can replace what he did in the short yardage passing game with Kenyan Drake...and judging on what he did at the end of the year, they’re probably right.
 
They suck, but what makes you say they're on thin ice?
Maybe wishful thinking. Last year was a massive disappointment and not just due to Tannehill being out. I think if we have a repeat performance (or worse) then Ross will get rid of Tanenbaum. We have the third highest payroll for 2018 and the two teams with higher payrolls - Pittsburgh and Philly - are at least very good teams. Gase probably has two more years at a minimum, barring some type of 2-14 collapse this year.
 
Maybe wishful thinking. Last year was a massive disappointment and not just due to Tannehill being out. I think if we have a repeat performance (or worse) then Ross will get rid of Tanenbaum. We have the third highest payroll for 2018 and the two teams with higher payrolls - Pittsburgh and Philly - are at least very good teams. Gase probably has two more years at a minimum, barring some type of 2-14 collapse this year.


I can't see why Ross hired Tanenbaum to begin with and why we've ridden with Tannehill this long. Nothing about the history of this owner says he knows what's going on or has the eye for FO talent. He should throw the kitchen sink at Harbaugh and let him pick his GM.
 
I can't see why Ross hired Tanenbaum to begin with and why we've ridden with Tannehill this long. Nothing about the history of this owner says he knows what's going on or has the eye for FO talent. He should throw the kitchen sink at Harbaugh and let him pick his GM.

Haha, he would only do that if he wanted him fired at Michigan.
 
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Living up here in Northeast Ohio the local media and fans love the trade.....pairing him up with Gordon and Coleman at the receivers with Njoku at te, with the possibility of Duke and Barkley at rb is not a bad offense and would be a major upgrade from wats been trotted out there!
 
Maybe wishful thinking. Last year was a massive disappointment and not just due to Tannehill being out. I think if we have a repeat performance (or worse) then Ross will get rid of Tanenbaum. We have the third highest payroll for 2018 and the two teams with higher payrolls - Pittsburgh and Philly - are at least very good teams. Gase probably has two more years at a minimum, barring some type of 2-14 collapse this year.
Look at what Jeff Ireland has done in New Orleans. Speaks volumes to me.
 
Look at what Jeff Ireland has done in New Orleans. Speaks volumes to me.
He certainly hit home runs with Lattimore and Kamara. Meanwhile our entire 2014 draft class may already be gone from the roster if we trade Ju'Wuan James as expected and don't re-sign Fede or Aikens. Granted, that was Hickey's draft, not Tanenbaum's, but I haven't been impressed with Tanenbaum at all. His drafts have only been slightly better than his pathetic trades and free agent signings.
 
Tanenbaum is simply atrocious and has to go. You're right, a string of bad moves somewhat boxed Miami into the situation they were in with Jarvis. If they don't give bad deals to Alonso, Suh, Branch, Pouncey, Timmons (who even after being cut is on the books for $2.75M in dead cap money this year), etc then maybe they could have given Jarvis $13M/year. The Dolphins have so many issues it's depressing.

They did offer him 13 million a year - he turned it down.
 
Landry is asking for 15 million a year. If no NFL team thinks he is worth that why would they trade picks for him. The Browns have a hard time attracting free agents so they decided to overspend for him.
 
He certainly hit home runs with Lattimore and Kamara. Meanwhile our entire 2014 draft class may already be gone from the roster if we trade Ju'Wuan James as expected and don't re-sign Fede or Aikens. Granted, that was Hickey's draft, not Tanenbaum's, but I haven't been impressed with Tanenbaum at all. His drafts have only been slightly better than his pathetic trades and free agent signings.
Tannenbum screwed up the Jets as well. Not complaining about that, but should have been a red flag to any other team.
 
it's funny to read we didn't get value for ajayi when demarco murray wins the league rushing title and can only be traded for a 4th rounder...ajayi is leaps and bounds behind demarco murray. i'd be surprised if the eagles even renew ajayi's contract. as for the landry deal 4th is too low, but also the deal doesn't involve restructuring then trade. so maybe a 4th and a 7th for a 1 year player is good value. He'll get his 16mil he wants this season, have a horrible statline in cleveland, then be worthless.
 
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My friend is a huge Browns fan and very high on Duke Johnson! They need to get him more touches
If U are a Clevelander and by association a Browns fan as I am, then u are unfortunately subject to checking in to Browns games every Sunday for the first quarter as a ********* ritual just eventually turn the channel, then you’d know for a FACT that Duke Johnson is the best player on the team (most productive, explosive, and passionate about winning). Hugh Jackson routinely targets Duke the first possession of every single game, they get into the red zone off of Duke’s efforts then we end with a field goal. From then on, the “Duke package” is finished and u never see him purposefully targeted again. There shouldn’t be a “Duke package”. Duke is the offense, while Njoku gets acclimated and Josh Gordon gets his life and legs back together.
 
# 1 in receptions, # 110 in YPC. He has good hands and... that's about it. That's not worth 16 million. Draft Berrios in the 6th and you'll get the same production at a lower cost and without the attitude.
#1 in receptions
#7 in 1st downs.
#4 in TD
#4 in YAC by a WR

Half the time he catches the ball. It has meant a 1st down. Which means he kept the chains moving.

Landry is worth more than a 4th and 7th RD pick. Berrios has done nothing up to this point. That would say he can do what Landry has in the NFL.
 
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