OT: Iowa Fires Chris Doyle

Accusations without evidence is.......wait for it...... slander.

Just because you are not privy to said evidence does not mean there is a lack of it. You are willfully being obtuse to the numerous posts that highlighted the personal testimonies of those who were subjected to his taunts.

You choose not to see what is right in front of your face, and I dare say that the reason why is, you do not see anything wrong with the behavior itself. You dismiss these young men's stories as slander and accusations because maintains that bubble you live in.
 
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Just because you are not privy to said evidence does not mean there is a lack of it. You are willfully being obtuse to the numerous posts that highlighted the personal testimonies of those who were subjected to his taunts.

You choose not to see what is right in front of your face, and I dare say that the reason why is, you do not see anything wrong with the behavior itself. You dismiss these young men's stories as slander and accusations because maintains that bubble you live in.
Once again, I've seen no evidence. Take everything else out.... if he is racist, he deserves everything he gets. My point is, everyone is so quick to condemn without proof but if that's pointed out, then there's an ulterior motive. No, he deserves the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. That's what every war fought for every citizen of America to have but that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
Once again, I've seen no evidence. Take everything else out.... if he is racist, he deserves everything he gets. My point is, everyone is so quick to condemn without proof but if that's pointed out, then there's an ulterior motive. No, he deserves the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. That's what every war fought for every citizen of America to have but that doesn't fit the narrative.
I won’t accuse him of being racist but that behavior is just not acceptable in any situation. A grown man in a position of authority clowning kids and cussing them out over some bs (hanging with a girlfriend, spitting on turf and not cleaning rice off a bench) should come with consequences. As far as proof, are they supposed to be recording at all moments? How many testimonies do you think are needed? Do you think all these guys just got together and conspired to get him fired cause they don’t like him? Very unlikely my friend.
 
I won’t accuse him of being racist but that behavior is just not acceptable in any situation. A grown man in a position of authority clowning kids and cussing them out over some bs (hanging with a girlfriend, spitting on turf and not cleaning rice off a bench) should come with consequences. As far as proof, are they supposed to be recording at all moments? How many testimonies do you think are needed? Do you think all these guys just got together and conspired to get him fired cause they don’t like him? Very unlikely my friend.
I think the days of ******* coaches have run it’s course. It used to be the norm. Still doesn’t make him racist but he’s perhaps outstayed his welcome. Best for all involved.
 
Once again, I've seen no evidence. Take everything else out.... if he is racist, he deserves everything he gets. My point is, everyone is so quick to condemn without proof but if that's pointed out, then there's an ulterior motive. No, he deserves the benefit of the doubt, until proven otherwise. That's what every war fought for every citizen of America to have but that doesn't fit the narrative.
Duke, it's pretty ironic to call something slander without even beginning to examine the allegations. Slander is the propagation of falsehood damaging to ones character. The evidence presented, if any, can either be strong or weak. If verbal statements from numerous individuals regarding the incidents taking place is seen as weak to you, then that is your prerogative but its not slander just because you don't like the way it was presented.
 
I won’t accuse him of being racist but that behavior is just not acceptable in any situation. A grown man in a position of authority clowning kids and cussing them out over some bs (hanging with a girlfriend, spitting on turf and not cleaning rice off a bench) should come with consequences. As far as proof, are they supposed to be recording at all moments? How many testimonies do you think are needed? Do you think all these guys just got together and conspired to get him fired cause they don’t like him? Very unlikely my friend.
Agree but I think as @ilovelamp51 said, this makes him an ***** and he shouldn't lose his career. It may be best for both parties to move on as well. I just grew up in different times man, we all (coaches and players of every color) ragged on each other hard. I mean, stuff that would never be allowed today; I just can't stand this PC, everything is offensive society.
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I think the days of ******* coaches have run it’s course. It used to be the norm. Still doesn’t make him racist but he’s perhaps outstayed his welcome. Best for all involved.
I agree to an extent. I’m not a fan of players being coddled and coaches should coach them hard. I just don’t think it’s ever been necessary to try to embarrass someone just because you feel like it.
 
Duke, it's pretty ironic to call something slander without even beginning to examine the allegations. Slander is the propagation of falsehood damaging to ones character. The evidence presented, if any, can either be strong or weak. If verbal statements from numerous individuals regarding the incidents taking place is seen as weak to you, then that is your prerogative but its not slander just because you don't like the way it was presented.
I don't even care, I just kept reading and waiting to see what the fuss was all about. The only thing that was said, was there were players saying stuff on Twitter as "evidence" That is not evidence but you are correct in that, if there evidence, it would not be slander.
It's no different than defamation of character but I admit, without physical evidence, neither side is able to be proven.
 
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Agree but I think as @ilovelamp51 said, this makes him an ***** and he shouldn't lose his career. It may be best for both parties to move on as well. I just grew up in different times man, we all (coaches and players of every color) ragged on each other hard. I mean, stuff that would never be allowed today; I just can't stand this PC, everything is offensive society.
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I feel that. And I don’t think ragging is a bad thing if there is mutual respect in place. I’ve been clowned and clowned coaches as well but we never let it get to the point of being disrespectful. This guy was just being a ****, primarily to players of color from what has been reported, and seemingly had no respect for those young men. Call it PC but folks like that need to be out of the game imo.
 
When you have dozens of players accusing you then yea I think it’s kind of hard to deny that he’s racist. You can do the research yourself. It’s out there already. I’m not hear appease you.
@Zbrods is a liberal cause if enough people say it than its true. It's TRUE someone on this thread said so.
 
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sisssssys.......in todays culture, you are guilty based on the seriousness of the crime, not the preponderance of evidence.
so past and present players speaking out against him wasn't enough for you??? Now y'all know who I'm a hurricane fan and not a Hawkeye. Good riddance. They knew if they kept him then they would catch **** recruiting black skill players. It's all about the money not a moral decision
 
Send it to David Petraeus

You probably should delete this☝. Gen(ret) Davey P needs to sit this one out and shut the f[]ck up.

While zero doubt he wrote the book (actually no kidding) on how to effectively fight asymmetric (I know a big word) insurgency with modern armed forces (and p[]ssy statecraft as well....vomit), he is a terrible role model for the renaming installations--and LTG(ret) Hertling can shut the f[]ck up as well.

In fact, like most of his career, he is displaying blatant opportunism for the mere appearance (not actual) of moral leadership.

Let's review shall we?

He NEVER ONCE spoke out (same as Hertling AND Colin Powell) when it came to renaming installations on active duty--and REMAINED silent as Dir, CIA. In fact, you can find numerous speeches where he (and again Hertling, et al) went on and on about, "so great to be back at Ft Bragg/Hood/Wood/Lee/etc. This base has such an amazing heritage for all you great soliders to learn from here today, blah blah blah blah..."

When Petraeus COULD HAVE made a difference as a flag officer, he like Hertling et al, kept holier than thou trap shut very, VERY tight because, well, if I speak out, then I might not get that next star!".

F[]cking absolute moral cowardice on this issue.

And I'll gona step further on Rico Suave Davey...

while I don't know the exact number of GOMRs he issued to SNCOs or officers for adultery (effectively ending officer's careers that instant), I guarantee you it was more than one. I guess that massive hypocrisy didn't cross his mind while as a 4-star he was playing hide the battalion guidon with Paula Broadwell. A scandal that rightly so splashed across the news--know how happy the troops were about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah he got CAUGHT while Gen(ret) serving as Dir, CIA, but in the investigation it came out his inappropriate behavior started while he was still active duty. Utter f[]cking garbage.

So, we have another example of one group so desperately seeking the "legitimacy" of "an important person's" opinion while not knowing or caring about his deeply flawed character that, in the end, provides far more hypocrisy than gravity to the issue at hand.

SMH.

So again, Davey P is a complicated cat. War fighters 100 years from now will study his doctrine and TTPs on counter-insurgency...however that doesnt mean his opinion, and cowardly and now so conveniently provided, should amount to any influence in the debate on renaming.

FUN FACT1: Ft Rucker is the only Confederate named installation that bears the moniker of someone below the rank of general officer (he was a colonel)

FUN FACT2: I purposefully left this for the end to see how many douches take the bait and start writing die, die, die EC is a racist! before reading all the way through. I firmly believe those installations should be renamed to anyone who positively contributed to the war fighter community through either victory, scholarship, or deeds regardless of other personal failings. Toodles.
 
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