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OT - Iggy to the Heat

Kyle Liburd said:
That would be great if we could hold out but seeing Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, and Siakam get maxes early on, or even Levert's deal, makes me think we'll do the same - especially after Bam's ASG nod. Although, the stakes are different with our team and Toronto pursuing Giannis in 2021. Hope you're right. Do you think we can afford to pay Bam, Nunn, Robinson, and a max slot (Oladipo, Giannis, Beal S&T) in 2021? Seems like something would have to give

Need more Heat talk. Looks like we'll see Iggy tonight
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The Murray extension was a huge mistake. Siakam and Simmons extensions didn't really alter those teams' plans. When the opportunitt cost is low it's good to breed goodwill with the extension. I wish Siakam got the full 5 year one like Towns with no player option.

Difference with Bam is the stakes like you said. If he's a team guy he'll be patient and wait for the wink/nod max after 2021 FA business is done.

I'm not a CBA expert but Albert Nahmad is one of the best and he's a Heat fan. Heat have $40M committed to Butler and Herro for 2021 with cap holds for the 3 guys you mentioned. That leaves approximately $50M in space which is room for a max (30% or even 35% like PG) and another key rotation piece, plus exceptions like MLE and BAE. Robinson and Nunn will be RFAs with tiny cap holds and even if Nunn was extended it would be a value contract like Josh Richardson got because that's the max they can get.

The guy who probably gets left out is Derrick Jones because he's a 2020 UFA. But if the Heat are super high on him they can bet on his value as either a core piece or a moveable asset.
 
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Canes Brotherhood said:
do u watch basketball? What does Iggy bring? Ok he’s a 3 and elite D. Brings championship experience and has years of knowledge that will be bestowed to our young players!! Come on man.
agree on Danilo, surround Bam with shooters.
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Oh, I watch a lot of basketball and Iggy hasn't been that in years but we shall see but you're not getting the Iggy that you think your getting.
 
HighSeas said:
Embiid belongs on the Heat. Get his body right and play with gritty teammates. Run pick and rolls with Butler with Robinson and Herro spotting up.
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I take Embiid in a second. Downfall on Embiid is injuries. A really bad back and has a hard time staying in shape
 
HighSeas said:
Always hurt and a horrible finisher (in the halfcourt) and shot is inconsistent is exactly how to describe Iguodala lmfao. Dude is 36 years old, hasn't played all year, and is going from the Warriors where he played off the gravity of Steph and Klay to...Butler and Nunn? $15 mil for him is outrageous even with a team option on the 2nd year. Andre wanted to return to GSW but they weren't giving him anywhere near that salary...there's a reason he agreed to this.

Now if the Heat can land Gallo that's a player and fit that's worthwhile but if he eats into 2021 cap space is it really worth it? These guys don't move the needle to beat Milwaukee and 2021 should be the focus for the Heat. Seems like a very shortsighted win-now approach from an old impatient GM who's overvaluing his current roster. Miami reminds me a lot of the 17-18 Raptors - good depth, chemistry and they play hard - which is a formula that wins regular season games and not much else. When your best player is Butler or Adebayo you're not a real title threat.
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I guess we don't know what were talking about. So far were playing 15 million to a guy averaging over 4 ppg and def not elite on defense. People are acting like were getting the glove on defense.
 
PG Dragic / Nunn
SG Iguodala / Herro
SF Crowder / Robinson
PF Butler / Jones
C Adabayo / Olynyk
 
Canes Brotherhood said:
agreed but what a lot are missing is this, Riley clearing cap space for ‘21.It’s a genius move and if we only lose J. Johnson, Waiters and Winslow, while keeping our young core? It’s a steal.
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That true. The trades actually give the Heat a chance to resign 2 out of 3 free agents this summer in either DJJ, Meyers and Goran. We gotta resign DJJ and my guess Goran since Goran likes living down here
 
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Cylo said:
I guess we don't know what were talking about. So far were playing 15 million to a guy averaging over 4 ppg and def not elite on defense. People are acting like were getting the glove on defense.
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It's an overpay for sure but it's only 1 guaranteed season and the trade netted significant cap space. Andre can help a team in the playoffs but his role should be limited to ~20MPG because of his age and lack of offensive skills.

As for Embiid he should remain an elite defensive C as he ages but his offensive impact will wane. Marc Gasol is a good trajectory comparison especially if Embiid improves his skill level. You need a lot of shooting to make him the offensive fulcrum of a team because he's so bad when he gets double teamed. I'd be comfortable giving him the max because at minimum he can anchor a defense, rebound and get you points at the FT line. But you have to be ok with load management.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Is it a done deal? Was "Iggy to Heat" premature from a technical standpoint.

Will there be cries of "fake news" from rival networks???
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HighSeas said:
It's an overpay for sure but it's only 1 guaranteed season and the trade netted significant cap space. Andre can help a team in the playoffs but his role should be limited to ~20MPG because of his age and lack of offensive skills.

As for Embiid he should remain an elite defensive C as he ages but his offensive impact will wane. Marc Gasol is a good trajectory comparison especially if Embiid improves his skill level. You need a lot of shooting to make him the offensive fulcrum of a team because he's so bad when he gets double teamed. I'd be comfortable giving him the max because at minimum he can anchor a defense, rebound and get you points at the FT line. But you have to be ok with load management.
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I would Make the trade Miami did every time to get out from under 1 year and half worth of contract from both James Johnson and dion waiters... that cleared up so much cap space for Miami and it was such a magical move. The Winslow part of the deal was essentially imo Miami choosing or deciding that investment of Derrick Jones jr(who should get a more lucrative contract) was more valuable than the one they were giving Winslow and would rather give that money to jones jr which every heat fan would agree with I’m sure. Jones jr has flashed a lot this season.

so with that trade we got good-great defenders which Miami needed and crowder has been playing fantastic since being with the hear averaging 18 ppg shooting very well and iguodala has been playing great defense and even knocked in 3 3s the game before the Allstar break. He has looked good for someone that hasn’t played in months.

in regards to the trade in the offseason perspective Miami can provide significant cap relief to a team who may be looking to move a star which can be Valuable trade component and we have a number of assets available to complete a trade
 
All fine points @brock. Only part I quibble with is the taking on contracts aspect because there just aren't that many bad long term deals right now and you still have to match salary to make it work.
 
HighSeas said:
All fine points @brock. Only part I quibble with is the taking on contracts aspect because there just aren't that many bad long term deals right now and you still have to match salary to make it work.
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I don’t think you have to match salary if you are under the cap (Miami is or will be by about 28-40 million if Olynyk opts out) which means Miami could potentially provide significant cap relief for a team
 
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I would take a flyer with Demarcus Cousins this summer and use money to try to sign a better, younger replacement to Horan but that’s just me
 
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