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OT - Iggy to the Heat

brock said:
Pat Riley big game hunting



Riley must know something about who they can get in the next year or 2
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the rumors around league circles is that they have a good shot at Greek freak but are a sure thing for Dipo. it isnt a secret to anyone now that depo wants to be in miami
 
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hoops156 said:
the rumors around league circles is that they have a good shot at Greek freak but are a sure thing for Dipo. it isnt a secret to anyone now that depo wants to be in miami
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They have Their eye on Bradley Beal too
 
hoops156 said:
the rumors around league circles is that they have a good shot at Greek freak but are a sure thing for Dipo. it isnt a secret to anyone now that depo wants to be in miami
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Depo works out in miami in the off-season, iirc, no? I'd like to see the season go along to see affects of his injury before committing mega dollars to him.

brock said:
They have Their eye on Bradley Beal too
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I truly believe that ship sailed last off-season. Wiz will re-up him, imo.
 
AUcane said:
Depo works out in miami in the off-season, iirc, no? I'd like to see the season go along to see affects of his injury before committing mega dollars to him.



I truly believe that ship sailed last off-season. Wiz will re-up him, imo.
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Yeah dipo lives down here. Wouldn't call him or anyone a done deal 16 months before FA though. Agree on the injury concerns but there will be a large post injury sample size before we have to commit.

Bucks will try to make the finals this year and next year. Giannis will sign that supermax whether they win or lose in the finals. Raptors and Warriors will go after Giannis just as hard as Miami will. Think he is a major long shot.

Agree on Beal ship sailing. Maybe he wants to get traded after the first season back with a healthy Wall, but that's being optimistic. He's signed through 21-22.

Depending on how much money we give DJJ and Dragic, we can make a run at Gallo, Thompson, Ibaka, Milsap, or Marucs Morris with a 1 year deal for 15-25m.
 
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Kyle Liburd said:
Yeah dipo lives down here. Wouldn't call him or anyone a done deal 16 months before FA though. Agree on the injury concerns but there will be a large post injury sample size before we have to commit.

Bucks will try to make the finals this year and next year. Giannis will sign that supermax whether they win or lose in the finals. Raptors and Warriors will go after Giannis just as hard as Miami will. Think he is a major long shot.

Agree on Beal ship sailing. Maybe he wants to get traded after the first season back with a healthy Wall, but that's being optimistic. He's signed through 21-22.

Depending on how much money we give DJJ and Dragic, we can make a run at Gallo, Thompson, Ibaka, Milsap, or Marucs Morris with a 1 year deal for 15-25m.
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Rather get gallo out of the group you listed at the bottom. Riley has a plan and knows something. The rumors are too strong for Riley not to finalize that gallo trade knowing how Riley operates. He cooking up something. I expect more disgruntled all stars to appear after the season/playoffs like last year where trades were happening. Riley going to make another move this offseason
 
^ Why would the Heat give up assets to trade for a star when they're a FA destination? For one thing they don't have the salary to match a max guy so it would need to be a sign and trade. Another thing is the Heat don't have a lot of expendable assets besides picks. You don't wanna get fleeced like the Lakers and Clips did, but the Heat don't even have the rookie scale guys to do those deals unless they include Bam, which would be insane.

brock said:
iggy brings a championship pedigree, elite defense and a guy who lives for the moment. There’s a reason why elite teams like the lakers and clippers wanted him so bad all year. Can’t discount what his leadership and wisdom in the moment can be for all of our young players and even veterans in butler. Miami is one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the league, we have 3 point snipers like a young Klay and curry right now plus you add another threat with Gallinari as 3 point shooting 4.



If we get gallo his contact will be easier to move for a future star this offseason compared to someone like James Johnson/dion waiters in a potential trade for someone like dare I say Bradley Beal. Not to mention all the things Gallo could do for this season.

with regards to losing Winslow, there was more stuff going on than just his play. Think he fell out of favor in the front office
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Andre is an elite team defender, not an elite 1on1 guy anymore. Warriors media seemed to be pretty down on him lately. A lot comes down to whether he's healthy and hits open 3s. Either way I don't think he moves the needle as much as some fans think. The Heat's best shot at advancing was if they got lucky enough with shooting variance between the junky zone and their 1-way shooters knocking down shots. Now those guys might lose minutes to Andre and Crowder who are very unreliable shooters. Sure they might raise the defensive floor and enable more coverages to be used but they still can't guard Giannis, and you're losing spacing and scoring.

I like the trade now that the salary dump was a part of it and there's no long-term Gallo extension though. None of that was clear when I posted. 1 year $15M for Andre is a small price to pay to get off bad 2020 contracts. Now the Heat can use their space to look for value deals in a summer where there's little cap space, extract assets in salary dumps or roll over the space to 2021. Developing young players and keeping Butler healthy going into 2021 are still the top priorities.
 
Kyle Liburd said:
Yeah dipo lives down here. Wouldn't call him or anyone a done deal 16 months before FA though. Agree on the injury concerns but there will be a large post injury sample size before we have to commit.

Bucks will try to make the finals this year and next year. Giannis will sign that supermax whether they win or lose in the finals. Raptors and Warriors will go after Giannis just as hard as Miami will. Think he is a major long shot.

Agree on Beal ship sailing. Maybe he wants to get traded after the first season back with a healthy Wall, but that's being optimistic. He's signed through 21-22.

Depending on how much money we give DJJ and Dragic, we can make a run at Gallo, Thompson, Ibaka, Milsap, or Marucs Morris with a 1 year deal for 15-25m.
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I've listened to podcasts with Beal and with the owner. Beal really values the culture there and he's been brainwashed into thinking they can compete because the other Washington sports teams do. They think Wall is gonna return as good as ever when he wasn't even good before the latest injury. I think Beal will ask out but not until midseason next year at the earliest.
 
HighSeas said:
^ Why would the Heat give up assets to trade for a star when they're a FA destination? For one thing they don't have the salary to match a max guy so it would need to be a sign and trade. Another thing is the Heat don't have a lot of expendable assets besides picks. You don't wanna get fleeced like the Lakers and Clips did, but the Heat don't even have the rookie scale guys to do those deals unless they include Bam, which would be insane.



Andre is an elite team defender, not an elite 1on1 guy anymore. Warriors media seemed to be pretty down on him lately. A lot comes down to whether he's healthy and hits open 3s. Either way I don't think he moves the needle as much as some fans think. The Heat's best shot at advancing was if they got lucky enough with shooting variance between the junky zone and their 1-way shooters knocking down shots. Now those guys might lose minutes to Andre and Crowder who are very unreliable shooters. Sure they might raise the defensive floor and enable more coverages to be used but they still can't guard Giannis, and you're losing spacing and scoring.

I like the trade now that the salary dump was a part of it and there's no long-term Gallo extension though. None of that was clear when I posted. 1 year $15M for Andre is a small price to pay to get off bad 2020 contracts. Now the Heat can use their space to look for value deals in a summer where there's little cap space, extract assets in salary dumps or roll over the space to 2021. Developing young players and keeping Butler healthy going into 2021 are still the top priorities.
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Honestly, the pieces in the trade don’t really move the meter much for me. What was huge - as you say - was dumping Dion and JJ (both guys dead weight on the court and with their contracts). Winslow was due for a new contract so good to get something for him now. Otherwise, gives us flexibility for 2020 summer AND 2021 summer
 
brock said:
Rather get gallo out of the group you listed at the bottom. Riley has a plan and knows something. The rumors are too strong for Riley not to finalize that gallo trade knowing how Riley operates. He cooking up something. I expect more disgruntled all stars to appear after the season/playoffs like last year where trades were happening. Riley going to make another move this offseason
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He has a strong idea of what he wants to do, but don't think he has a secret player waiting to join him. Riley said he wanted to get Gallo badly but the Thunder asked for too much. That's all it was
 
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HighSeas said:
I've listened to podcasts with Beal and with the owner. Beal really values the culture there and he's been brainwashed into thinking they can compete because the other Washington sports teams do. They think Wall is gonna return as good as ever when he wasn't even good before the latest injury. I think Beal will ask out but not until midseason next year at the earliest.
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It is a waiting game with Beal. The Wizards new GM is establishing a new culture and depending on Bertans, Bryant, Hachimura, Smith Wagner, and Brown to compliment their all-star backcourt. Will have a good pick this year too. If they aren't in the playoff hunt mid-season or don't make the playoffs then I could see Beal requesting a trade. I could also see him going all the way till 2022 then opting out and becoming a free agent. I don't think the new culture mattered as much as Beal having his 2nd kid and wanting to give it one more try with Wall before leaving. Not the easiest thing to uproot your family. I would prefer the Oladipo 2021 scenario over Beal because we wouldn't have to give up any assets for him. Beal will start a bidding war
 
AUcane said:
Honestly, the pieces in the trade don’t really move the meter much for me. What was huge - as you say - was dumping Dion and JJ (both guys dead weight on the court and with their contracts). Winslow was due for a new contract so good to get something for him now. Otherwise, gives us flexibility for 2020 summer AND 2021 summer
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Agree. We could've lost Winslow in free agency (team option for 21-22 would've been denied to make max space) because Bam's future max decreases our space so much. Iggy is still good, not a big believer in Crowder. Iggy is a basketball genius and a top 5 wing defender in the league still. Ben Simmons, Kawhi, Smart, maybe PG....that's about it. Jimmy is close to that level too. I don't think Crowder's minutes affect Robinson and Herro as much as those minutes affect DJJ, Leonard, and Olynk. Riley cited Iggy's turnover/assist ratio and defense as the main reasons he still believes Iggy is elite. Iggy had a 4/1 A:TO ratio in the playoffs last year. We needed a guy like Iggy for the Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Khris Middleton, Oladipo, etc. of the world.

Gallo would've made us a real threat to come out the East but it is what it is. I know another issue was his extension and wanting to test free agency.

"only five of the league's 30 teams will have significant cap space this summer:

Atlanta Hawks: $49.2 million, New York Knicks: $37.6 million, Detroit Pistons: $34.9 million, Miami Heat: $26.5 million, & Charlotte: $42.5 million"

Luckily, we are the only the competing team out this group. Charlotte and the Knicks want to go young. Hawks already have their starting 4 (Collins) and Pistons have Blake. So his options aren't vast unless some team is ready for the sign and trade.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
Got Wall ******* e d up, Wall was ballin' before He got hurt.
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In 2016-17 Wall had a PER of 23.2, TS% of .541, .367 FTr, 6.5% REBr, 46.9% ASTr, 2.7% STLr, .190 3PAr
In 2018-19 Wall had a PER of 18, TS% of .527, .317 FTr, 5.7% REBr, 39.2% ASTr, 2.1% STLr, .306 3PAr

Wall is on the decline as his game relies heavily on athleticism. He was in the midst of transitioning from a physical force who pushes the ball in transition creating shots at the rim, FTs and assists to a below-avg shooter giving in to the defense and missing a bunch of perimeter shots in the halfcourt. I'm not optimistic about his age 30 season.
 
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Bam's next contract won't hurt cap space that much - not until 2022. Heat won't extend him they will let him hit restricted free agency and keep his low cap hold before signing free agents, then pay him after signing said free agents. Same thing Toronto will do with OG Anunoby and his cap hold is even lower. Spurs did this with Kawhi after his 4th year.
 
ST26 said:
You guys still won’t beat the Celtics
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definitely the hardest matchup Miami could have this year against the top east teams. We never play well vs them but then again each game we have played vs them so far this have been back to back games while the Celtics has rest the night before.

with that being said Miami is still 8-3 vs the top 6 east teams( Milwaukee 1 win, Toronto 2 wins, Indy 2 wins,Philly 2wins1 loss, Celtics 2 losses).
 
HighSeas said:
Bam's next contract won't hurt cap space that much - not until 2022. Heat won't extend him they will let him hit restricted free agency and keep his low cap hold before signing free agents, then pay him after signing said free agents. Same thing Toronto will do with OG Anunoby and his cap hold is even lower. Spurs did this with Kawhi after his 4th year.
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That would be great if we could hold out but seeing Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, and Siakam get maxes early on, or even Levert's deal, makes me think we'll do the same - especially after Bam's ASG nod. Although, the stakes are different with our team and Toronto pursuing Giannis in 2021. Hope you're right. Do you think we can afford to pay Bam, Nunn, Robinson, and a max slot (Oladipo, Giannis, Beal S&T) in 2021? Seems like something would have to give

Need more Heat talk. Looks like we'll see Iggy tonight
 
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Kyle Liburd said:
That would be great if we could hold out but seeing Ben Simmons, Jamal Murray, and Siakam get maxes early on, or even Levert's deal, makes me think we'll do the same - especially after Bam's ASG nod. Although, the stakes are different with our team and Toronto pursuing Giannis in 2021. Hope you're right. Do you think we can afford to pay Bam, Nunn, Robinson, and a max slot (Oladipo, Giannis, Beal S&T) in 2021? Seems like something would have to give

Need more Heat talk. Looks like we'll see Iggy tonight
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Looking forward to seeing less zone in the future and more man with our new additions. Spo has been ****ing me off with staying in it way too long at times. Go Heat!!!
 
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