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Hogan said:
I am also looking for a new car and have thought about maybe getting an electric car, because the government in my country actually pays me to drive one plus I dont have to pay car tax.

Problem is, battery replacements are kinda costly, and, as someone said it, new technology is on the way already.
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The only EV worth owning in my opinion is a Tesla, but that is in the US, not sure about the Fatherland.
 
Empirical Cane said:
My biz partner has owned 4 Teslas (2 sold, and 2 current drivers)
- Model S fully loaded (2020)
- Model X (the SUV??) fully loaded (2019 or 2020)
-- Both are insanely quick and fun to drive...destroys any sports cars I'm aware of
-- Both are setup as "mobile offices"
-- I hate "driver assisted mode" its unnatural and a tech demon spawn😂

- He and wife live electric lifestyle
-- Full solar panel array on his house with twin power wall units
-- He has twin 220V chargers in his garage, and we have a single 220V charger at work
--- Drives VERY DIFFERENT bills due to baseload... his house isnt even noticed, our commericial account kicked up $300 extra per month base fee (for no reason) because of utility tier usage rules


👆With all that above, they both still have to plan any distance around Teslas supercharger network and charhing their vehicles at home. fkr anything mkre than local travel to store still takes hours (my perception anyways). When he puts on miles throughout the day, the Tesla stays parked and he uses our work vehicles because he k kwd he'll have to sit at a supercharger location to make it home.

Also, we have a staff member who rocks a Nissan Leaf. 110V charging only and she has barely enough juice for her daily commute (so she tells use constantly)


we have 2 deposits on cyber trucks and 2 on F-150 lightnings... my guess they wont actually be available for many moons amd will take a show me what it can actually fo before we purchase.

At work, our fleet of vehicles are Ram e-torques... LOVE those trucks... and... dont laugh... they technically qualify as hybrids so in our region staff can drive down express lanes at zero cost


It is apparant that electrification of transportation is here to stay, but until the recharge time problem is solved + availability (current storage is just fine actually), I'm still a buyer of ICE and/or hybrids.

Good luck
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I agree with your comments. My wife and I much prefer driving our Tesla, but for long trips, usually out of state, an ICE is much easier, so that is our second car.
 
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SpikeUM said:
I have had 2 S's, 1 X and now have a Y. My favorite is the S, waiting for the refresh to come out though. Really do love to drive them, way more than an ICE.
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My partner told me earlier this week he is buying the Plaid*... he's a nut with far too much disposable income...hahahah


*super clever of Tesla to use SpaceBalls reference for new super speed model
 
The Plaid is ridiculously priced, I would get the regular S, which should have a 400+ mile range.
 
It depends on when you plan to buy. In 4 years, all electeic is the way to go. At this point it's all a out the infrastructure which is why we need government to do it's **** job and get the country set up for the next generation. The U.S. has o ly 112,000 charging stations. By comparison, China installed that many stations this past December alone. The writing is on all the wall. The gas engine is played out and dying. Ford just had their debut of the all electric F150. The F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US doing $42 billion per year. The all electric is better in every category than any previous F150. People will line up not because it's electric, but for what it can do. It has all the plgins to run a mobile business, can be a power generator for your house for 3 days, and of course more towing capacity.

Watch "The All-Electric F-150 Lightning: Turning Electric Into Lightning | Ford" on YouTube


Every new car will be all electric in a few years. It's just a matter of building the infrastructure.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
It depends on when you plan to buy. In 4 years, all electeic is the way to go. At this point it's all a out the infrastructure which is why we need government to do it's **** job and get the country set up for the next generation. The U.S. has o ly 112,000 charging stations. By comparison, China installed 284,000 charging stations this past December alone. The writing is on all the wall. The gas engine is played out and dying. Ford just had their debut of the all electric F150. The F150 is the #1 selling vehicle in the US doing $42 billion per year. The all electric is better in every category than any previous F150. People will line up not because it's electric, but for what it can do. It has all the plgins to run a mobile business, can be a power generator for your house for 3 days, and of course more towing capacity.

Watch "The All-Electric F-150 Lightning: Turning Electric Into Lightning | Ford" on YouTube


Every new car will be all electric in a few years. It's just a matter of building the infrastructure.
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A touch off on your data (shocking*), but your point is taken...

"... China installed 284,000 public EV charging outlets in 2020, including 112,000 in December alone – more than the entire US public charging network – according to data published by BloombergNEF..."

👆Problem is probably more than 1/2 don't work as advertised, the wires can't handle the load, and they are totally non-standardized for plugs. Other than that, nice work Beijing!

With all the promise of performance upgrades re: cybertruk and lightning, still a huge achilles heel for people who actually do work: range and recharge.

Once you put those chassis underload (in bed or towing) their range (just as ICE) craters. Without a network of instant recharge stations that equals gas, its an economic/schedule non-starter.

So, question is, when will instant** re-charge be viable and where will they be installed?

My guess you will see commercial "non-route" haul applications remain ICE/hybrid for foreseable future. For the regular "route" commercial applications where re-charge can occur at depot facility, electric is inevitable**.


*see what I did there?
**meaning re-charge is as timely and easy as gas pump
***will require significant upgrades to baseload power infrastructure
 
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Empirical Cane said:
A touch off on your data (shocking*), but your point is taken...

"... China installed 284,000 public EV charging outlets in 2020, including 112,000 in December alone – more than the entire US public charging network – according to data published by BloombergNEF..."

👆Problem is probably more than 1/2 don't work as advertised, the wires can't handle the load, and they are totally non-standardized for plugs. Other than that, nice work Beijing!

With all the promise of performance upgrades re: cybertruk and lightning, still a huge achilles heel for people who actually do work: range and recharge.

Once you put those chassis underload (in bed or towing) their range (just as ICE) craters. Without a network of instant recharge stations that equals gas, its an economic/schedule non-starter.

So, question is, when will instant** re-charge be viable and where will they be installed?

My guess you will see commercial "non-route" haul applications remain ICE/hybrid for foreseable future. For the regular "route" commercial applications where re-charge can occur at depot facility, electric is inevitable**.


*see what I did there?
**meaning re-charge is as timely and easy as gas pump
***will require significant upgrades to baseload power infrastructure
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@Number1CanesFan, I agree that EV's cant take over without more infrastructure, but @Empirical Cane is correct.
 
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Canedog said:
Perhaps you would be happier living in China, friend.
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You're missing the point. The world's biggest economies are all in on electric. It's just the next evolution of energy. You think Ford just decided to build the all electric F-150 last year. A decade in the making.
 
SpikeUM said:
@Number1CanesFan, I agree that EV's cant take over without more infrastructure, but @Empirical Cane is correct.
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I don't get his point. The world's largest economies are moving to all electric. India is committed to all electric by 2030. So, that's the world's 2 largest popuated countries going electric. I posted Ford's new all-electric F-150. These things didn't happen overnight. I'm simpy pointing out that this is the beginning of the end for gas and the gas engine. There will still be a market due to all the gas cars and trucks on the road, but there will be a day where all new cars are electric. Probably in the next 5--10 years.

This should cut gas prices by more than half. However, I'm sure the oil tycoons will do everything to keep the prices artificially high.

Personally, I'm planning to buy an all electric SUV or truck in 4 years. There should be plenty of options to choose from and we should have a fairly robust infrastructure if Congress has the will to move forward with it.
 
The countries that are moving fastest toward EV's are the ones that import petroleum. China is especially pushing EV's because they are the worlds largest importer of oil, and the worlds largest exporter of rare earths. In other words, Xi is way smarter than the idiots in Washington.

I also suspect @Empirical Cane reacted to your post is because you are espousing socialism. I for one, dont want my tax dollars used to build out EV infrastrucure, that is the job of private enterprise. Lastly, FWIW, the tech tycoons are WAY richer than the oil tycoons.
 
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SpikeUM said:
The countries that are moving fastest toward EV's are the ones that import petroleum. China is especially pushing EV's because they are the worlds largest importer of oil, and the worlds largest exporter of rare earths. In other words, Xi is way smarter than the idiots in Washington.

I also suspect @Empirical Cane reacted to your post is because you are espousing socialism. I for one, dont want my tax dollars used to build out EV infrastrucure, that is the job of private enterprise. Lastly, FWIW, the tech tycoons are WAY richer than the oil tycoons.
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I merely poined out, and corrected, a few glaring inaccuracies.

Thematically, I agree with him 🤮🤮🤮.
 
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