OT: Anyone get denied unemployment in Florida?

[supersaiyanshel]

I'm all for investing in America, investing in infrastructure and investing in jobs and being less reliant on others... sound familiar.
Keep up your acute analysis and commentary... I'm all ears.

Yep. Im right there w you, but funny how a certain someone literally compared our airports to a third world country and said we needed to fix our infrastructure, and none of his folks said "well if you dont like it why dont you leave.

Thanks for the encouragement and listening. But I'm out.

 

[gruntking]

Yep. Im right there w you, but funny how a certain someone literally compared our airports to a third world country and said we needed to fix our infrastructure, and none of his folks said "well if you dont like it why dont you leave.

Thanks for the encouragement and listening. But I'm out.

You know how it is... everyone has a narrative and a focus. Hopefully all of them can come to an effective convergence where real needed progress is made that benefits us as a whole. Enjoyed it dude.

 

[Arehel]

And those countries' economies are decidedly capitalist. They have safety nets and welfare systems but to say they're 'socialist' is just plain wrong.

You do realize a socialist state is in fact capitalists. You socialism can not be a thing without capitalism, so I'm completely agree and aware. They are capitalist that practice socialism, i.e., encourage unionization, social welfare and egalitarian personal liberties, etc.
Meanwhile, America practices free market capitalism and libertarian-ism and let's the markets decide the fate of most decision (i.e., off short investments with no checks and balances, private health care and education, gov't does not get involved in pay scale, or very little). America is in fact one of the free-est and most democratic countries, since you vote on sheriff, judicial council, etc., which many including mine Canada do not.

Works some places other they don't. I don't think this crisis showed vast differences between countries, in showed the difference between classes within the societies of them all. (I.e., the poor and in America mainly black population, for example have to delivery pizzas to people who can sit on home in their pajamas, and have to risk their lives), the essential workers or those that can't work from home, are typical low paid jobs.

I think this is a global problem and not a state problem or political or monetary systems. Just shows that every country, excluding maybe two, didn't have a "holy ****" plan.

 

[Arehel]

When did Haiti, Sudan and Afghanistan become Capitalist meccas? That was some goofy ****...lol

Well free market roamed the countries and they let what was typically public worked, i.e., build public infrastructure, and let none government procured contracts go to mostly American companies. It wasn't free markets at all you're right, it was almost out right imperialism.

 

[Arehel]

Governments across the world did the same thing. Closed shop. Citizens paying into a system and then receiving THEIR tax dollars back during a pandemic isn’t socialism. That’s just dumb rationale. Americans are so lost.

The financial market tanked before the pandemic shutdown and the government was already working on a financial bailout. The US economy was going to tank regardless. It was being propped up by cosmetic pillars and the pandemic simply forced its hand.

I’m in Europe right now and the Germans aren’t having the same unemployment crisis or healthcare issues. They’re not on TV talking about increased suicide rates. Because their healthcare system didn’t fail them and their unemployment rates didn’t shoot up plus 7%. Seems as though there are quite a few socioeconomic systems working during this pandemic.

Our system isn’t working. We need to get our heads out of our asses. Unbridled Capitalism is dumb. We have billion dollar companies that barely pay in looking for significant tax dollars. I love me some capitalism. In fact my company revenue will sky rocket during this time. But, we need to fix a ton of phuckery with our approach to the game and take care of the citizens or it’s going to all tank even more. Defaults are coming and it’s going to get even uglier with our current approach.

Speak my brother!
In Canada our oil producing provinces are the only ones getting really whacked with unemployment, but that's cause the oil was going to tank soon to begin with, and this just exacerbated it, we're up about 2% unemployment rates, right now, which is approximately half of what the construction industry accounts for and they are partially shut down.

Self employed people are getting hammered the most here, hair salons, restaurants, etc etc. but the gov here is about to hand out tonnes of money for them too, plus they've already gotten interest free loans and if you take it all you only have to back 75%.

Anyways, too nay posts, I'm out of this wormhole of a thread haha

 

[Gatorhater]

Good post, even if I disagree with some of the points you raise. I'd just argue that socialized capitalism is working out pretty well for countries like China, India, and Russia in terms of wealth creation (not so much wealth distribution, but that's a global phenomenon).

China has the most new billionaires of any country. As of the most recent Forbes list they gained 325 over the past decade compared to the U.S's 210. India and Russia are in the top 10. Still have a ways to go before they catch us, but they're doing work.

To bring it back to the OP, you're not alone in your denial. I know it may not mean **** coming from someone you don't know, but keep your head up, bro.

New numbers show state has paid out $523M in unemployment benefits; 40% of claims ruled ineligible

The Florida Department of Economic Opportunity has denied more than 263,000 people of unemployment benefits since March 15.

www.wftv.com

Good post. Couple points though. Russia is primarily a two product export economy, arms and oil products, seeking to re-establish its old empire. China is much more a fascist state at this point. A dictatorship which allows a degree of private ownership of means of production but requires said owners to do as they are told with it. Both are more like **** Germany before the start of WWII. Churchill warned that communism was not a threat because it would fail on its own accord, Fascism whoever he thought could succeed and be danger to freedom everywhere. That said, don't be fooled by China's success. It has occurred because of our idiot leaders betrayal of the nation that last 40 years but we are not done yet. Stay safe.

 

[Suhrthing]

You do realize a socialist state is in fact capitalists. You socialism can not be a thing without capitalism, so I'm completely agree and aware. They are capitalist that practice socialism, i.e., encourage unionization, social welfare and egalitarian personal liberties, etc.
Meanwhile, America practices free market capitalism and libertarian-ism and let's the markets decide the fate of most decision (i.e., off short investments with no checks and balances, private health care and education, gov't does not get involved in pay scale, or very little). America is in fact one of the free-est and most democratic countries, since you vote on sheriff, judicial council, etc., which many including mine Canada do not.

Works some places other they don't. I don't think this crisis showed vast differences between countries, in showed the difference between classes within the societies of them all. (I.e., the poor and in America mainly black population, for example have to delivery pizzas to people who can sit on home in their pajamas, and have to risk their lives), the essential workers or those that can't work from home, are typical low paid jobs.

I think this is a global problem and not a state problem or political or monetary systems. Just shows that every country, excluding maybe two, didn't have a "holy ****" plan.

Nobody can predict black swan events. There is no defined line on balancing upside with precaution. Americans are risk takers, we don't strive to be delivery drivers - nor encourage it.

 

[SWFLHurricane]

I agree entirely that we need to reopen asap. I read the other day that isolation, hand washing and social distancing was prescribe in the 1919 flu also. If that is true it clearly did not work well and we have been sold a bill of goods by medical, scientific and media. Of course that was before Federal Income Tax and pre-New Deal so the Federal role in life was nothing like today.

Not an area of expertise for me but I believe in FL unemployment is an insurance program with premiums paid by employer as some sort of payroll tax. Self-employed or contractors getting 1099 are not the normal candidate. Other states might differ but the federal $600 a week is supposed to include self employed and independent contractors.

Two years ago was the first time in my long life I was qualified for unemployment compensation in our heavenly state. I found the process and site a pain in the rear but the workers there pleasant and helpful. The maximum weekly benefit was more like 2 hours pay than a week but that is that sunshine tax thing.

NO....Its that Sunshine St Douchebag thing....1 state North in Georgia...They get $400 a week....

 

[DemCanesByke]

Dude even the best run company with a forced shutdown for any length of time will impact them in a totally different way than just mismanagement or making poor business choices... we are not talking apples and apples. The unemployment rate just passed 20%... we hit 30% and you know what that equals. Bailout isn't Bernie dude... he just wants to redistribute everybody's wealth (during regular economic times) cause he's a socialist on steroids... Lenin would be proud of him.

Bro if these companies that bring in billions of dolllars cant take a 3 week shutdown they are mismanaged. Go look at the balance sheet of companies like APPLE, Microsoft they have cash on hand. Companies like delta were manipulating and buying back their stock let them crash and burn.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Governments across the world did the same thing. Closed shop. Citizens paying into a system and then receiving THEIR tax dollars back during a pandemic isn’t socialism. That’s just dumb rationale. Americans are so lost.

The financial market tanked before the pandemic shutdown and the government was already working on a financial bailout. The US economy was going to tank regardless. It was being propped up by cosmetic pillars and the pandemic simply forced its hand.

I’m in Europe right now and the Germans aren’t having the same unemployment crisis or healthcare issues. They’re not on TV talking about increased suicide rates. Because their healthcare system didn’t fail them and their unemployment rates didn’t shoot up plus 7%. Seems as though there are quite a few socioeconomic systems working during this pandemic.

Our system isn’t working. We need to get our heads out of our asses. Unbridled Capitalism is dumb. We have billion dollar companies that barely pay in looking for significant tax dollars. I love me some capitalism. In fact my company revenue will sky rocket during this time. But, we need to fix a ton of phuckery with our approach to the game and take care of the citizens or it’s going to all tank even more. Defaults are coming and it’s going to get even uglier with our current approach.

This is a distorted view of systems and who runs them. Our system works and has worked for hundreds of years. Just bc we have politicians who abuse that system and aren’t held accountable doesn’t mean the system doesn’t work.

Congress voted to send everybody $1200, but put aside $25 million to give themselves a raise and are now refusing to show up next week on Capitol Hill. They have been given unbridled power bc the population is scared. From the Patriot Act to this shutdown, we have let them erode our rights and civil liberties. The founding fathers would die of laughter if they saw what we let happen to ourselves.

To put in simpler terms, it’s basically the NCAA. It’s worked for years, but now is led by people who look the other way when the big boys cheat their way to 5 stars and wins, while hammering the likes of Miami and USC for no reason. Absolute power corrupts, always.

 

[HurricaneinLA]

This doesn't happen under any system, bruh. As long as there is money, there will be inequality.

This notion that socialism = free is a misunderstanding of what socialism is. We have for decades had socialism in America (you didn't think your local police department or those highways were funded by Amazon or Berkshire-Hathaway, did you)?

Also, and this is most important, a socialist structure does not mean you cannot gain wealth. There are plenty of billionaires in socialist countries. For every "Venezuela is a failed state that shows socialism that doesn't work" there's a Haiti, Sudan, or Afghanistan that shows pure capitalism is no better. There's no such thing as a perfect system.

Anyway, my only response to the OP is: You actually got through to the Florida Unemployement Office?!?! Respect.

Sudan and Afghanistan have had decades of war still going on today. You could throw Somali in that list as well. Haiti has always been corrupt from top to bottom run by thugs.

In socialism everybody is equally poor except members of the political party. Castro died worth around a billion dollars. Have you been to Cuba and seen the food, gas and everything else lines? I have. At the end of the line you only have a few government choices which are usually bad. Hookers are the highest payed people. **** stands for the national socialist party of Germany. How did that work out?

Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves and used to be the richest country in South America with the world's fourth highest GDP per capita at one time before they went to socialism.

Reuters reported that a UN report estimated in March 2019 that 94% of Venezuelans live in poverty, and more than ten percent of Venezuelans (3.4 million) have left their country. ... Venezuela led the world in murder rates, with 81.4 per 100,000 people killed in 2018, making it the third most violent country in the world.

But the socialist government leaders are worth billions and could care less about the people. Hugo Chavez daughter is worth several billion dollars living in Europe will the working class is starving.

I have many friends from the old Soviet Union countries and all would laugh at the pro soviets in the US. All had their little food card. If they lost it they could not get any food. All products are rationed.

Our government cannot do anything halfway right. Look at the bullet train in California. All the politicians made money off that deal without it ever working. Taxpayers had to pay for it. Post office is bankrupt.

Look at US schools where we pay top four in the world per child K-12. We are not even in the top 20 anywhere after paying 700 billion dollars a year. Over taxed pro socialist California is ranked 37th. Thank God for states like Mississippi to keep California from the bottom.

Fact, free market is where the best economies come from in world history. No system is perfect and the US has never had true capitalism because of the curruption in any system. Crony capitalism is an economic system in which businesses thrive not as a result of risk, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class. The working class should be the most important goal for any country.

 

[Mandingo]

This is a distorted view of systems and who runs them. Our system works and has worked for hundreds of years. Just bc we have politicians who abuse that system and aren’t held accountable doesn’t mean the system doesn’t work.

Congress voted to send everybody $1200, but put aside $25 million to give themselves a raise and are now refusing to show up next week on Capitol Hill. They have been given unbridled power bc the population is scared. From the Patriot Act to this shutdown, we have let them erode our rights and civil liberties. The founding fathers would die of laughter if they saw what we let happen to ourselves.

To put in simpler terms, it’s basically the NCAA. It’s worked for years, but now is led by people who look the other way when the big boys cheat their way to 5 stars and wins, while hammering the likes of Miami and USC for no reason. Absolute power corrupts, always.

Not distorted.

Pick a politician - left or right. And there is a case to be made that they should no longer be in the position that they are in. I don’t care what side you’re on! There is a case to be made that 80% of the politicians have been there too long. Our system is broken. They are too comfortable. And our civic knowledge is at in all time low.

You just proved my point. When people abuse the system it must be adjusted. It doesn’t work. What we’re experiencing right now is a result of a manipulated system.

Example. Pelosi is a fossil and shouldn’t be in her position. Totally incompetent. I can’t really even comprehend why she’s still in her position. She’s terrible! Totally atrocious! In my opinion her inability to do her job makes the country weaker because we can’t find a middle ground to balance out Mitch’s approach.

#MoscowMitch is a modern day confederate - eating off of an undereducated RED State (Kentucky) which happens to take much more from the republic than it ever gives. The state lives on socialism - but he’s constantly pushing rhetoric against socialism. And he legislate accordingly.

Behaviors outgrow intentions. Constitution. My view isn’t distorted at all. I have the luxury of living in different continents and can actually see outcomes as they develop. We think we have the greatest system in the world because that’s what propaganda does. But the truth is we are under educated and we are being robbed! And that’s coming from a capitalist. The results speak for themselves.

There’s no reason we should be spending a DIME to prop up the financial markets failures. But we do that often. And people are more programmed to accept that than they are someone accepting their own tax dollars from unemployment. Propaganda.

Again, I am sitting overseas right now and I know the temperature. If our system wasn’t broken why are we experiencing the outcomes that we are experiencing from this pandemic? Health and economy? There’s no need to bury your head in the sand. It just is what it is.

Behaviors manipulate past intentions. Legislation is manipulated all the time. We see that every day. The system is broken. And Florida’s unemployment was designed to be broken.

 

[gruntking]

Bro if these companies that bring in billions of dolllars cant take a 3 week shutdown they are mismanaged. Go look at the balance sheet of companies like APPLE, Microsoft they have cash on hand. Companies like delta were manipulating and buying back their stock let them crash and burn.

Dude... Gov. DeSantis ordered a stay at home order on Apr. 1st., so on Thursday it will be one month. On Tuesday March 24th my son was told to work from home and I remember that week many other companies shut down because of close contact with customers... my hair salon closed during that week so I need a haircut bad.
I agree that some companies may have cash or assets reserves, but others don't. I spoke to a restaurant owner in Coral Gables who told me he's losing $100K in business each week he's closed, and the pick-up sales don't amount to much. But the unemployment figures don't lie, some of us are hurting regardless if employee or employer .

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Wife was denied.. Worked at Panera Bread

FYI OP:

If your Florida unemployment claim was denied, state says you’re due a second chance

Almost every Floridian deemed ineligible for unemployment benefits so far should reapply, a Department of Economic Opportunity spokeswoman said Tuesday.

Nearly 268,000 Floridians have been deemed ineligible since March 15 — about 40% of all claims the state has processed so far. But most of those people are flagged as ineligible for state benefits, which are hard to receive and max out at only $275 per week.

In reality, those people are likely eligible for the federal Pandemic Unemployment Assistance benefits, which are $600 per week and apply to many more people, department spokeswoman Tiffany Vause said.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/article242354711.html

 

[gabednconfused]

Wife was denied.. Worked at Panera Bread

So I been helping my moms file. The FL State unemployment process is specifically in place to NOT help you. I mean it is easier to apply for a work visa in england than that ****. The website constantly crashes and no one answers their phone number.

That website is dead *** from 2002. Your wife probably just caught the glitch in their windows 95 servers like ****.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Not distorted.

Pick a politician - left or right. And there is a case to be made that they should no longer be in the position that they are in. I don’t care what side you’re on! There is a case to be made that 80% of the politicians have been there too long. Our system is broken. They are too comfortable. And our civic knowledge is at in all time low.

You just proved my point. When people abuse the system it must be adjusted. It doesn’t work. What we’re experiencing right now is a result of a manipulated system.

Example. Pelosi is a fossil and shouldn’t be in her position. Totally incompetent. I can’t really even comprehend why she’s still in her position. She’s terrible! Totally atrocious! In my opinion her inability to do her job makes the country weaker because we can’t find a middle ground to balance out Mitch’s approach.

#MoscowMitch is a modern day confederate - eating off of an undereducated RED State (Kentucky) which happens to take much more from the republic than it ever gives. The state lives on socialism - but he’s constantly pushing rhetoric against socialism. And he legislate accordingly.

Behaviors outgrow intentions. Constitution. My view isn’t distorted at all. I have the luxury of living in different continents and can actually see outcomes as they develop. We think we have the greatest system in the world because that’s what propaganda does. But the truth is we are under educated and we are being robbed! And that’s coming from a capitalist. The results speak for themselves.

There’s no reason we should be spending a DIME to prop up the financial markets failures. But we do that often. And people are more programmed to accept that then they are someone accepting their own tax dollars from unemployment. Propaganda.

Again, I am sitting overseas right now and I know the temperature. If our system wasn’t broken why are we experiencing the outcomes that we are experiencing from this pandemic? Health and economy? There’s no need to bury your head in the sand. It just is what it is.

Behaviors manipulate past intentions. Legislation is manipulated all the time. We see that every day. The system is broken. And Florida’s unemployment was designed to be broken.

You are exactly right about politicians. Term limits are the number one thing we need. But you are again knocking our system and the folks in our system. Capitalism isn’t broken. Capitalism is what it has always been. We aren’t Don’t have free markets, our government intervenes way too much. Just like we aren’t a true democracy, we are a republic.

If two bad teams are playing each other and it’s unwatchable, is the sport broken or are the teams just not good at it? Don’t get me wrong I completely understand what you are saying and honestly I’m being the guy who is nitpicking, but it’s important. Socialists and communists use this exact argument to defy capitalism, so I feel like it needs to be said. Capitalism isn’t broken, we are.

 

[gruntking]

Sudan and Afghanistan have had decades of war still going on today. You could throw Somali in that list as well. Haiti has always been corrupt from top to bottom run by thugs.

In socialism everybody is equally poor except members of the political party. Castro died worth around a billion dollars. Have you been to Cuba and seen the food, gas and everything else lines? I have. At the end of the line you only have a few government choices which are usually bad. Hookers are the highest payed people. **** stands for the national socialist party of Germany. How did that work out?

Venezuela has the world's largest oil reserves and used to be the richest country in South America with the world's fourth highest GDP per capita at one time before they went to socialism.

Reuters reported that a UN report estimated in March 2019 that 94% of Venezuelans live in poverty, and more than ten percent of Venezuelans (3.4 million) have left their country. ... Venezuela led the world in murder rates, with 81.4 per 100,000 people killed in 2018, making it the third most violent country in the world.

But the socialist government leaders are worth billions and could care less about the people. Hugo Chavez daughter is worth several billion dollars living in Europe will the working class is starving.

I have many friends from the old Soviet Union countries and all would laugh at the pro soviets in the US. All had their little food card. If they lost it they could not get any food. All products are rationed.

Our government cannot do anything halfway right. Look at the bullet train in California. All the politicians made money off that deal without it ever working. Taxpayers had to pay for it. Post office is bankrupt.

Look at US schools where we pay top four in the world per child K-12. We are not even in the top 20 anywhere after paying 700 billion dollars a year. Over taxed pro socialist California is ranked 37th. Thank God for states like Mississippi to keep California from the bottom.

Fact, free market is where the best economies come from in world history. No system is perfect and the US has never had true capitalism because of the curruption in any system. Crony capitalism is an economic system in which businesses thrive not as a result of risk, but rather as a return on money amassed through a nexus between a business class and the political class. The working class should be the most important goal for any country.

 

[Mandingo]

You are exactly right about politicians. Term limits are the number one thing we need. But you are again knocking our system and the folks in our system. Capitalism isn’t broken. Capitalism is what it has always been. We aren’t Don’t have free markets, our government intervenes way too much. Just like we aren’t a true democracy, we are a republic.

If two bad teams are playing each other and it’s unwatchable, is the sport broken or are the teams just not good at it? Don’t get me wrong I completely understand what you are saying and honestly I’m being the guy who is nitpicking, but it’s important. Socialists and communists use this exact argument to defy capitalism, so I feel like it needs to be said. Capitalism isn’t broken, we are.

Systems are run or manipulated by people. Can’t have one without the other. Unbridled Capitalism leads to recessions and depressions. Checks and balances are needed. Again, I am a capitalist. I own multiple companies.

When we continue to bail out the financial market, but can’t even mitigate basic healthcare costs during a pandemic as the “richest country in the world” - that should tell you something.

When an American company can use TAX dollars and credits to produce a pill for Americans.. and sell it for hundreds of dollars per pill... but only be able to sell that pill to Australians for about $20 per pill - that should tell you something. That’s not the type of “free market “we need.

The socialism argument is pure propaganda in America.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Systems are run or manipulated by people. Can’t have one without the other. Unbridled Capitalism leads to recessions and depressions. Checks and balances are needed. Again, I am a capitalist. I own multiple companies.

But. When we continue to bail out the financial market, but even can’t mitigate basic healthcare costs during a pandemic as the “richest country in the world” - that should tell you something.

When an American company can use TAX dollars and credits to produce a pill for Americans.. and sell it for hundreds of dollars per pill... but only be able to sell that pill to Australians for about $20 per pill - that should tell you something. That’s not the type of “free market “we need.

The socialism argument is pure propaganda in America.

I agree with that. I just believe we’ve gotten comfortable and put up with too much, and now the corruption we see is considered normal. If you are part of the ruling class, laws and norms don’t apply to you.

 

[SayWhat]

You do know that social security is YOUR money that you have put in, that you are getting back in the end. If it still exists when you need it....

The amount you put in is nowhere near to equal what you get out. You can thank your employer for nearly half of your benefits and then thank the pool which kicks more in.

So it isn't your money, in fact not even half of it will you have earned.

Social Security is 100% a form of government welfare and 100% a form of socialism.

I should add I'm glad it's there. It going away is just a political talking point.