OT: Anyone get denied unemployment in Florida?

[JD08]

True. Capitalism is economic system. Socialism by its very definition merges everything into the government in some or all ways. It requires biggr and bigger government and it most famous historic examples have not ended well: Fascists Italy, **** Germany, Communist USSR, and still undetermined Communist China, North Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba and its spin offs. The biggest gift socialist nations have given us it a favorite of the Zero Population growth people, 100's of millions of deaths,

Socialized capitalism is a horror show also and comes naturally to big governments. Limited government is the safest form and government for freedom's sake and Henry Ford capitalism is great economic system to people's economic well being. Ford had habit of ****ing off his competitors by giving repeated pay raises to workers without them even asking. He said,"How can these people afford to buy my cars if I don't pay them enough!" Strange action for a capitalist. He believed in cutting cost and improving efficiency everywhere except workers pay. There, he strangely thought it best to pay the HIGHEST possible wage -- they where consumers.

We live in a JP Morgan capitalism world being carried out on a global scale now. Old JP believed the opposite: work them until death for as little as possible. One man was great and the other a smuck beyond belief. you decide.

One was also a rabid anti-semite and a big fan of Hitler.

 

[Suhrthing]

Then why would you contrast our economy to the others. We pick the winners and it's always the asset class, stock holders, or people who make investments. When you have the FED buying junk bonds to prop up the market and not let companies with bad management and policies fail its a rigged economy. It has been for awhile.

I find it funny when all the people on the right, especially people who make their money from wall street decry socialism or giving benefits to the poor or less fortunate. They're the biggest welfare queens out there.

I agree with much of what you wrote, but its never that cut and dry. I think 2/3 of Americans are 'vested' one way or another in stocks and financial instruments. Its true, the .1% are uber rich and uber corrupt - but thats just the nature of heirarchies and its unavoidable. Its not a left/right dichotomy, things will never be 'fair', never, ever, regardless of chosen system. Capitalism is not 'fair', its not perfect, and its not pretty - but its the best system us humans have ever come up with, and by a long shot.

 

[Gatorhater]

One was also a rabid anti-semite and a big fan of Hitler.

Ford was strongly anti-communist and that means media did and does all it could to demean him. He opposed unions because of the communist influence in them. He was paying his workers more than the union shops already. Understand that socialist/communist care more about the power that comes from FORCING pay raises than the actual pay raise. When violence broke out during organization strike, his wife told him to give in and he unionized. Hardly the act of a monster.

Truthfully I do not know how truthful anti-semitism part is. Maybe he was a democrat, I don't know. Lots famous people fell for Hitler's bs. Like other socialists, his promises are attractive but all end up badly. Keep in mind Fascist and **** were nationalist socialist while commies are global socialist. The two were competing versions of the same thing NOT opposite ends of a spectrum.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Name a country or period in time when Socialism worked for the ppl that lived under it? Where everyone was equally prosperous living the perfect life of luxury worry free... That is the fantasy land ideology of socialism right?

First of all you idiot I never proposed a full on socialist government anywhere in my statement you utter moron! I only mentioned the need for Safety net programs which have existed since the Great Depression. Programs that made America great and unique among governments. Programs you justify cutting or under funding by planting the idea of those programs being Socialism. That crook Republican Rick Scott, made his fortune stealing from the medicare program (FACT). Then as governor purposefully made an unemployment system to difficult to use and to fail, never figuring it would someday be needed by their base. During/Following the Great Depression it was recognized a dire need for the federal government to institute programs to protect the general public. Republicans have whittle some out of existence and underfunded programs like Unemployment and Food Assistance to provide more $$$ to Wealthy/Corporate Socialist Welfare tax cut programs.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

I agree with much of what you wrote, but its never that cut and dry. I think 2/3 of Americans are 'vested' one way or another in stocks and financial instruments. Its true, the .1% are uber rich and uber corrupt - but thats just the nature of heirarchies and its unavoidable. Its not a left/right dichotomy, things will never be 'fair', never, ever, regardless of chosen system. Capitalism is not 'fair', its not perfect, and its not pretty - but its the best system us humans have ever come up with, and by a long shot.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying either. a lot of people's retirements are tied to the market and i do understand there is a benefit of not letting the system implode all together. That was one of the big takeaways from the Great Depression iirc. If government would have stepped in things might not have been so bad.

However with that being said we have learned nothing from 2008, we just changed how we would be over exposed to risk. Since 2009 since the rates have been low so most companies have been using debt to finance their operations (Same reason why Don has been bankrupt 6-7 times) while using the existing cash to buy back stock. This means a lot of companies are highly leveraged. Not many business schools teach your leaders to be in a highly leverage situation and think that the good times will last. There is always a crisis on the horizon that will test companies. Yet again we've bailed out massive failures of business acumen and leadership at the expense of everyone.

Buying junk MBS so we bail out people who made bad bets on RE again, a new so called vechicle for "fallen angels" who because of to much debt on their balance sheet saw their credit downgraded (Ford is the one that comes to mind here). We are choosing who wins and looses and we're bailing out the same losers from last time.

 

[kmwcane]

Then why would you contrast our economy to the others. We pick the winners and it's always the asset class, stock holders, or people who make investments. When you have the FED buying junk bonds to prop up the market and not let companies with bad management and policies fail its a rigged economy. It has been for awhile.

I find it funny when all the people on the right, especially people who make their money from wall street decry socialism or giving benefits to the poor or less fortunate. They're the biggest welfare queens out there.

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else because I never referenced or contrasted the United States in any post in this thread. I simply objected to the statement that Haiti, Sudan and Afghanistan are free-market economies and denounced command economies.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Bailouts, both for banking (yes, that includes AIG and Lehman Brothers) and for the automakers, were begun under the previous, PREVIOUS, administration. I’d say, “…Don’t let the regurgitation-TV, hateful talk-radio, and alt-intellect sites mind poisoning through repetition convince you that fiction is fact”, but you’re so far gone …

Bush approves bailout[edit]
On December 19, George W. Bush announced that he had approved the bailout plan, which would give loans of $17.4 billion to U.S. automakers GM and Chrysler, stating that under present economic conditions, "allowing the U.S. auto industry to collapse is not a responsible course of action."[80] Bush provided $13.4 billion now, with another $4 billion available in February 2009. Funds would be made available from the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008.[81] General Motors would get $9.4 billion, and Chrysler $4 billion.[82]

However, it had been argued that the Treasury lacked the statutory authority to direct TARP funds to the automakers, since TARP is limited to "financial institutions" under Section 102 of the TARP. It was also argued that providing TARP funds to automaker's financing operations, such as GMAC, runs counter to the intent of Congress for limiting TARP funds to true "financial institutions".[83] On December 19, 2008, President Bush used his executive authority to declare that TARP funds may be spent on any program he personally deems necessary to avert the financial crisis, and declared Section 102 to be nonbinding.[citation needed]

THANK YOU! THEY TAKE EVERYTHING THEY HEAR ON THE ALT-RIGHT AS FACT EVEN THOUGH IT'S UTTER BULLSH!T. LIKE BLAMING LOSS OF JOBS ON IMMIGRANTS WHEN NOT ONE IMMIGRANT OR NI-GG-AR EVER SENT MILLIONS OF JOBS TO OTHER COUNTRIES. THEY FIND THEMSELVES INCAPABLE OF ATTACKING THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY IF IT ISN'T ALSO PROMOTING RACE BASED POLICIES.

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else because I never referenced or contrasted the United States in any post in this thread. I simply objected to the statement that Haiti, Sudan and Afghanistan are free-market economies and denounced command economies.

Fair enough my friend, my apologies.

 

[Roscoe627]

First of all you idiot I never proposed a full on socialist government anywhere in my statement you utter moron! I only mentioned the need for Safety net programs which have existed since the Great Depression. Programs that made America great and unique among governments. Programs you justify cutting or under funding by planting the idea of those programs being Socialism. That crook Republican Rick Scott, made his fortune stealing from the medicare program (FACT). Then as governor purposefully made an unemployment system to difficult to use and to fail, never figuring it would someday be needed by their base. During/Following the Great Depression it was recognized a dire need for the federal government to institute programs to protect the general public. Republicans have whittle some out of existence and underfunded programs like Unemployment and Food Assistance to provide more $$$ to Wealthy/Corporate Socialist Welfare tax cut programs.

Rick Scott is actually one of the few people I wish very bad things to happen to. His cuts to the unemployment department is why this thread got started. I was lucky and got through after weeks and thankfully my job was able to get to get it’s small business loan to pay us so I don’t have to deal with the unemployment website anymore. That **** website, by the way, cost 78 million back in 2012 was meant to make it difficult to get unemployment and prop up low unemployment numbers. Between making unemployment a sham in this state, his voter suppression as governor and his being a crooked thief of a businessman, Rick Scott should be sent to the gallows!!

 

[fraggle]

Must be some trick, my son got his right away, people from the same company had problems so they called my son and he reapplied for them and they got theirs...I'm not involved so haven't a clue.
I do know when I want something from any organization I start by asking their name, writing it down and be very friendly...my son is the same. Calling back and saying "someone" told me is lame.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Governments across the world did the same thing. Closed shop. Citizens paying into a system and then receiving THEIR tax dollars back during a pandemic isn’t socialism. That’s just dumb rationale. Americans are so lost.

The financial market tanked before the pandemic shutdown and the government was already working on a financial bailout. The US economy was going to tank regardless. It was being propped up by cosmetic pillars and the pandemic simply forced its hand.

I’m in Europe right now and the Germans aren’t having the same unemployment crisis or healthcare issues. They’re not on TV talking about increased suicide rates. Because their healthcare system didn’t fail them and their unemployment rates didn’t shoot up plus 7%. Seems as though there are quite a few socioeconomic systems working during this pandemic.

Our system isn’t working. We need to get our heads out of our asses. Unbridled Capitalism is dumb. We have billion dollar companies that barely pay in looking for significant tax dollars. I love me some capitalism. In fact my company revenue will sky rocket during this time. But, we need to fix a ton of phuckery with our approach to the game and take care of the citizens or it’s going to all tank even more. Defaults are coming and it’s going to get even uglier with our current approach.

RIGHT ON! ALL THE COUNTRIES THAT HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE ARE NOT EXPERIENCING HEALTHCARE ISSUES. ALTHOUGH WE SEE CLEAR AND OBVIOUS ADVANTAGES TO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, THE INSURANCE AND HEALTHCARE COMPANIES ARE PAYING THE RIGHT TO STOP OR GREATLY HINDER UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. USING THE KEY WORD SOCIALISM. SAME WITH GUNS! WE THE ONLY MURDEROUS NATION IN THE G7, BECAUSE WE THE ONLY ONE PROMOTING GUNS OF ALL TYPES.

 

[gruntking]

This one is controversial too. If these companies are self sustaining let them crash and burn. Other well run companies will come. and take their place. Idc what anybody says bailing these major corporations out like this is stupid. People justify it when their favorite political party is in office. This bailout is bernie sanders esque.

Dude even the best run company with a forced shutdown for any length of time will impact them in a totally different way than just mismanagement or making poor business choices... we are not talking apples and apples. The unemployment rate just passed 20%... we hit 30% and you know what that equals. Bailout isn't Bernie dude... he just wants to redistribute everybody's wealth (during regular economic times) cause he's a socialist on steroids... Lenin would be proud of him.

 

[CaneAlum11]

The last time FL had a democratic governor: 1998.
The last time FL had a democratic majority in the state senate: 1992.
The last time FL had a democratic majority in the state house: 1996.

 

[gruntking]

When did Haiti, Sudan and Afghanistan become Capitalist meccas? That was some goofy ****...lol

It's low level, weak bull**** spin, lol.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

When did Haiti, Sudan and Afghanistan become Capitalist meccas? That was some goofy ****...lol

When did I say they were capitalist meccas?

C'mon now. You have reading comprehension skills. You're an intelligent man. This is basically what you just did. I go: "The Bengals are a professional football team and are trash." and you respond: "When did the Bengals become NFL powerhouses."

Haiti, Sudan, and Afghanistan are capitalist countries. And they are pretty much failed states. And as I mentioned before, there are several other examples of failed countries with capitalist economic systems. I've already provided the evidence showing those countries are free market economies, but I can list others if you want to nit pick (and I'm not sure what you'd be nitpicking at seeing as again, those countries are in fact capitalist nations).

 

[supersaiyanshel]

It's low level, weak bull**** spin, lol.

How is it spin? They are capitalist countries with extreme levels of poverty. These are facts. I know it's an inconvenient one to the idea that capitalism is so awesome and undefeated and superior. But that doesn't make it any less true. Here are are a few more --

Guatemala
Yemen
Dominica
Oman

Ask them how capitalism is working out?

Heck, you don't even have to go international to illustrate the failures of capitalism. We can just look within our own borders. Millennials will be the first generation to make less than their parents. 40 million Americans live below the poverty line. ****** health care. ****** infrastructure. Soaring income inequality. Renters will overtake homeowners by the end of the decade, perhaps even sooner. Growing homeless population (and no, it's not just in California).

No system is perfect or superior. Your best bet is to have a mixture of them both.

(And I'd just like to reiterate once more -- for the record -- that the 3 countries I originally listed are capitalist).

 

[gruntking]

40 million Americans live below the poverty line. ****** health care. ****** infrastructure. Soaring income inequality. Renters will overtake homeowners by the end of the decade, perhaps even sooner. Growing homeless population (and no, it's not just in California).

No system is perfect or superior. Your best bet is to have a mixture of them both.

(And I'd just like to reiterate once more -- for the record -- that the 3 countries I originally listed are capitalist).

Every time I travel around the world I count the days when I can land back in the US.
You throw around metaphors pretty nicely but I would like you to be accurate rather than dramatic. This is a big country with lots of sq. mi.
Our infrastructure is very good, and so is our health care. Please tell me among those countries you mentioned which one has anything close.
Bottom line there isn't another **** country I would like to live in... sounds like you have second thoughts.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

True. Capitalism is economic system. Socialism by its very definition merges everything into the government in some or all ways. It requires biggr and bigger government and it most famous historic examples have not ended well: Fascists Italy, **** Germany, Communist USSR, and still undetermined Communist China, North Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba and its spin offs. The biggest gift socialist nations have given us it a favorite of the Zero Population growth people, 100's of millions of deaths,

Socialized capitalism is a horror show also and comes naturally to big governments. Limited government is the safest form and government for freedom's sake and Henry Ford capitalism is great economic system to people's economic well being. Ford had habit of ****ing off his competitors by giving repeated pay raises to workers without them even asking. He said,"How can these people afford to buy my cars if I don't pay them enough!" Strange action for a capitalist. He believed in cutting cost and improving efficiency everywhere except workers pay. There, he strangely thought it best to pay the HIGHEST possible wage -- they where consumers.

We live in a JP Morgan capitalism world being carried out on a global scale now. Old JP believed the opposite: work them until death for as little as possible. One man was great and the other a smuck beyond belief. you decide.

Good post, even if I disagree with some of the points you raise. I'd just argue that socialized capitalism is working out pretty well for countries like China, India, and Russia in terms of wealth creation (not so much wealth distribution, but that's a global phenomenon).

China has the most new billionaires of any country. As of the most recent Forbes list they gained 325 over the past decade compared to the U.S's 210. India and Russia are in the top 10. Still have a ways to go before they catch us, but they're doing work.

To bring it back to the OP, you're not alone in your denial. I know it may not mean **** coming from someone you don't know, but keep your head up, bro.

New numbers show state has paid out $523M in unemployment benefits; 40% of claims ruled ineligible

The Florida Department of Economic Opportunity has denied more than 263,000 people of unemployment benefits since March 15.

www.wftv.com

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Every time I travel around the world I count the days when I can land back in the US.
You throw around metaphors pretty nicely but I would like you to be accurate rather than dramatic. This is a big country with lots of sq. mi.
Our infrastructure is very good, and so is our health care. Please tell me among those countries you mentioned which one has anything close.
Bottom line there isn't another **** country I would like to live in... sounds like you have second thoughts.

I love it when as soon as you point out the deficiencies and decline of our country, certain folk wanna act like you hate your country and want to leave, when in fact it is the opposite.

It's the same approach with our Canes and what several us do on this very site every day. If you or I point out that the Canes are a team in a decade long malaise, and that we need to get better in the trenches, and that we need better facilities, and that our recruiting strategy sucks, and that our coaches are suspect, and that our administration is composed of a bunch of losers, and that we're living off of past glory -- it doesn't mean we hate our squad or should go root for another team. You're pointing the deficiencies out out of love and frustration, not hate and abandonment.

Go to Singapore. Or Germany. Or Japan. Or the Netherlands. Or Switzerland. We ain't on that level. Our infrastructure is crumbling, something our government has long pointed out and wanted to address.

We can do better.

(and I was being pretty accurate btw)

 

[gruntking]

I love it when as soon as you point out the deficiencies and decline of our country, certain folk wanna act like you hate your country and want to leave, when in fact it is the opposite.

It's the same approach with our Canes and what several us do on this very site every day. If you or I point out that the Canes are a team in a decade long malaise, and that we need to get better in the trenches, and that we need better facilities, and that our recruiting strategy sucks, and that our coaches are suspect, and that our administration is composed of a bunch of losers, and that we're living off of pass glory -- it doesn't mean we hate our squad or should go root for another team. You're pointing the deficiencies out out of love and frustration, not hate and abandonment.

Go to Singapore. Or Germany. Or Japan. Or the Netherlands. Or Switzerland. We ain't on that level. Our infrastructure is crumbling, something our government has long pointed out and wanted to address.

We can do better.

(and I was being pretty accurate btw)

I'm all for investing in America, investing in infrastructure and investing in jobs and being less reliant on others... sound familiar.
Keep up your acute analysis and commentary... I'm all ears.