Only one man can save the Canes. I'll give ya one guess.....

[TheMatador]

bruce jenner?

Dude has two step daughters that can play D tackle.

But not zero technique, at least not in my humble opinion. Probably 3 or 4 tehnique, single gappers which are easier to find anyway.

 

[canesfanmpls]

If we are talking coordinators - then Chad Morris comes to mind. If we are talking prior head coaches - would Cutcliffe be a viable option?

 

[Heals85]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

 

[UMFarArcher]

PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT BUTCH! !!!!!!


he will never coach here again.

Knock it off!

We're NOT going to stop talking about Butch, any more than you guys could tell us what a great coach Golden was - and under the cloud, and siht.

Butch can put together another top five team in two years - USING what we have right now as the base!

All these pups who did a bit here, a bit there, was a good coordinator here, and a good coordinator there, or just got started in the HC gig, and hasn't built up any resume' for siht - forget it!

We cannot afford another big assed mistake. One more like a really good offensive coordinator (Coker), or we pick a really good defensive coordinator (Randy), or we pick a young, non-proven-in-the-big-time Head Coach (Golden), and we might as well shut down the football program.

Fourteen years of BS coaching selections - and here we are - and SOME IDIOTS want to make the same mistakes all over again!

Think.

When did our program start its downhill slide?

OH! You're KIDDING?

When Butch left???

And he wants to come back?

Don't intentionally be retarded.

 

[OldhamA]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

 

[UMFarArcher]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

They want a fresh name.

Not a proven winner.

 

[OzarCaneSaw]

I truly don't understand the butch Davis hype.

Dude underachieved his whole time here. Won 0 national championship. **** of a recruiter but he would've never won the big game. Remember that super talented UNC Squad he had yep blew it. Y'all keep screaming for Butch.

Ruffin McNeil would be a more viable and realistic option

Underachieved by creating the GREATEST CFB TEAM EVER?????

btw, the 2000 team was a championship team. Just because they were screwed out of the chance to play for one doesn't mean they weren't.

 

[Heals85]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

They want a fresh name.

Not a proven winner.

I guess you didnt see Butch at the top of the list he could be the top 2 on to himself I want Butch back as much as anyone.

 

[UMFarArcher]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

They want a fresh name.

Not a proven winner.

I guess you didnt see Butch at the top of the list he could be the top 2 on to himself I want Butch back as much as anyone.

Whoever makes the hire better not **** up. Or we're burned for another four to five years.

Mark has no resume yet to indicate what kind of head coach he would be.

Sean and Dan are NFL mindset guys. Come on , we start doing good, and the NFL comes in waving a check, and they're gone.

Let's see, of the four, only one has the resume. Only one isn't bolting for the NFL.

 

[Heals85]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

They want a fresh name.

Not a proven winner.

I guess you didnt see Butch at the top of the list he could be the top 2 on to himself I want Butch back as much as anyone.

Whoever makes the hire better not **** up. Or we're burned for another four to five years.

Mark has no resume yet to indicate what kind of head coach he would be.

Sean and Dan are NFL mindset guys. Come on , we start doing good, and the NFL comes in waving a check, and they're gone.

Let's see, of the four, only one has the resume. Only one isn't bolting for the NFL.

Agreed Butch is the choice but knowing this admin they will **** it up.

 

[HurricaneU]

People saying Butch won't ever be back are just repeating the line fake insiders have been feeding since 2010.

I know all about the bad feelings, the butt hurt, Butch said this but did that, oh noes academic fraud at UNC blah blah blah.

If we want to win and the money is right, he will be back.

3 to 4 years of Butch and we rebuild our coaching base and tree - the biggest problem we've had.

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

We've been through enough coaching hires in the past decade that it befuddles me that any cane fan would have delusions of grandeur. WHAT are you guys smoking? Errbody here thinks this job is better than coaches probably think it is.

And tell me - if you were a coach looking to make a name for himself - wouldn't it at least give you pause that the last guy was blindsided by a scandal right after he was hired and then was thrown overboard in year 4 when he didn't put a contender on the field? Perception is reality. Which could be a problem for us in terms of who is even interested. We get this ****** names on the list each time - names that we all have to scramble and research because they are practically nobody! Seriously. Get a grip.

And Butch has all but said GIVE ME THE JOB. It would be politically incorrect for him to be any more forward than he has been to date so.....I'd say he wants it, we need him ,and the school will most likely **** it up. So I. Not holding my breath.

 

[User-4525]

The next hire needs to be a can't miss. In the likelihood that the hire will need to be cheap once again or even cheaper, Butch Davis is the only answer. And, as far as the admin is concerned, he is not unhirable.

Several wild assumptions. I don't get this myth that we can pay competitively. We've proven we will pay competitively for both HCs and for assistant coordinators. And to say Butch is the only answer is silly. Many other options. Not saying it's a bad option but certainly not the only answer.

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Teddy does the BOT consider Leavitt unhirable?

I'm not going to say unhirable, but he has more of an uphill battle than Butch does. He didn't almost kill his players like Schiano did in Tampa Bay, but assaulting them is still costly as far as the admin is concerned.

Leavitt has 0% chance of being our next coach. I don't even think they would consider him

 

[NMB Cane]

IMO
1 - Butch Davis
2 - Mark Stoops (making aroun 1.8 to 2mil at UK were paying Folden 2.4)
3 - Sean McDermott (Panthers DC and was Gruden's pick for Miami in their meeting in Tampa)
4- Dan Quinn (Seahawks DC purely a pipe dream since he has interviewed for NFL HC jobs)

Am I missing something?

Stoops is 4-11 in his career. Why would we want him?

We shouldn't. Anyone jumping on his bandwagon before he has 2 successful seasons is a fool

 

[Heals85]

Several wild assumptions. I don't get this myth that we can pay competitively. We've proven we will pay competitively for both HCs and for assistant coordinators. And to say Butch is the only answer is silly. Many other options. Not saying it's a bad option but certainly not the only answer.

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Teddy does the BOT consider Leavitt unhirable?

I'm not going to say unhirable, but he has more of an uphill battle than Butch does. He didn't almost kill his players like Schiano did in Tampa Bay, but assaulting them is still costly as far as the admin is concerned.

Leavitt has 0% chance of being our next coach. I don't even think they would consider him

Kyle do you think the administration would hire Butch again. He has been upfront about wanting the job again and I heard him and Blake James are close.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Teddy does the BOT consider Leavitt unhirable?

I'm not going to say unhirable, but he has more of an uphill battle than Butch does. He didn't almost kill his players like Schiano did in Tampa Bay, but assaulting them is still costly as far as the admin is concerned.

Leavitt has 0% chance of being our next coach. I don't even think they would consider him

Kyle do you think the administration would hire Butch again. He has been upfront about wanting the job again and I heard him and Blake James are close.

@Kyle: I give a 1% chance. All the good his teams accomplished, on and off the field, were undone by hitting that player. His biggest favor is some BOT members liked him. That's it.

@Heals85: They could hire him again, but it will be an uphill battle. Him and Blake James are not close as far as I know.

 

[Soul Cane]

The next hire needs to be a can't miss. In the likelihood that the hire will need to be cheap once again or even cheaper, Butch Davis is the only answer. And, as far as the admin is concerned, he is not unhirable.

Several wild assumptions. I don't get this myth that we can pay competitively. We've proven we will pay competitively for both HCs and for assistant coordinators. And to say Butch is the only answer is silly. Many other options. Not saying it's a bad option but certainly not the only answer.

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Schnellenberger never made big money at UM. Schnellenberg's salary originally was $85K until UM increased it $150K for his final two years.

I think Erickson made $375K in the early 90s. In comparision, Bobby Bowden was the higest paid coach in college in the early 90s at 885K.

Either way, I agree with you. We need to hire Butch.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

The next hire needs to be a can't miss. In the likelihood that the hire will need to be cheap once again or even cheaper, Butch Davis is the only answer. And, as far as the admin is concerned, he is not unhirable.

Several wild assumptions. I don't get this myth that we can pay competitively. We've proven we will pay competitively for both HCs and for assistant coordinators. And to say Butch is the only answer is silly. Many other options. Not saying it's a bad option but certainly not the only answer.

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Schnellenberger never made big money at UM. Schnellenberg's salary originally was $85K until UM increased it $150K for his final two years.

I think Erickson made $375K in the early 90s. In comparision, Bobby Bowden was the higest paid coach in college in the early 90s at 885K.

Either way, I agree with you. We need to hire Butch.

I don't know about those statistics. Everything I've read is that Miami swung Howard because they shelled out for him.

 

[User-4525]

Not really assumptions.

Shannon and Golden were paid under 2.5 million dollars. That is very much below the competitive level for a top tier coach. We haven't paid big since Coker and Butch, Dennis, and Jimmy were not paid at an elite level. Only Howard really was given big money.

Look back at the post and reread what I specifically said. Butch is the only answer that is a proven winner and cheap. If you have an alternate suggestion that meets that criteria, I'd love to hear it.

As far as other option, the program cannot afford to make another chance hire by selecting a coordinator or an up and comer at a lower tier school. We need to hire away another big time school's coach or somebody else who has succeeded at a high collegiate level and is available. Jim Leavitt comes to mind.

Teddy does the BOT consider Leavitt unhirable?

I'm not going to say unhirable, but he has more of an uphill battle than Butch does. He didn't almost kill his players like Schiano did in Tampa Bay, but assaulting them is still costly as far as the admin is concerned.

Leavitt has 0% chance of being our next coach. I don't even think they would consider him

Kyle do you think the administration would hire Butch again. He has been upfront about wanting the job again and I heard him and Blake James are close.

I do not have enough information from the decision makers to know

 

[Gatorhater]

He did recruit all but the first of our NC teams. He doesn't have to be HC, just get him back as DC of even Dline coach and let him recruit NFL HOF players for a couple years. He is desperate enough to do that. All the man ever did wrong to us was take a NFL HC job -- like JJ and Dennis. How much better might we had been if Coker had gone after year two also? No way they hire him as HC, but as assistant, why not?