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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
OP is spot on. We can hire and fire coordinators Replace QBs. None of that will matter as long as Mario is our head coach. This is his offensive philosophy, and it sucks.
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Hmmm…I wonder who said this since the beginning of last season and got negged for it?

Glad to see so many finally waking up out of their stupor.
 
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mossmadness said:
Mario took over Oregon in 2018.

According to F+ analytics, these are the number of games in which Oregon’s offense received a NEGATIVE value generated rating under Mario:

2018 (with Justin Herbert at QB): 6 games including 2 games with negative value scores over 20, which is insane.

2019 (Herbert): 5 games

2020: 3 games (COVID meant only 7 games that year)

2021: 5 games (when the roster was stacked with Mario recruits)

2022: 8 games

2023: 5 games (counting NC St and we still have plenty to go).


Basically, almost half the games Mario coaches every year generates negative offensive value.

Does Dawson suck? Yes. I called him the “Destroyer of Offenses” in the coaching search thread for a reason. Does TVD suck? Yes.

But those two haven’t been the OC-QB combo the entire time.

Mario is the only common denominator.

Stop listening to anybody that tells you Mario doesn’t interfere in the offense. Or Mario doesn’t have a preferred style. Or that what Mario has done is what the big boys do and this is the offense that UGA and champions run.

There is no QB that is going to save us from this. There is no recruiting class that is going to save us from this. There is no OC that is going to save us from this.

Life under Mario will be a minimum of at least 5 games a year where the offense will produce a negative value. We will flip a coin as to whether we win those games. And that’s how you lose 2 to 5 games a year, depending on how the coin falls.
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Not sure how I missed this thread before, salute OP. Doin gawds work, good to see the actual numbers because the offense definitely feels nerf'd.
 
Blimp time , with LK face we can offer $150,000,000.00 plus hire his staff for $100,000,000.00

Fire our HC and staff buying everyone out figure another $200,000,000.00

Then fire them all in (2) years , throw another estimated $350,000,000.00 replacing everyone again.

In 6-8 years we can hit A BILLION DOLLARS in firing and hiring.

We should also buy our own BLIMPS

GOCANES
 
GOCANES05 said:
Blimp time , with LK face we can offer $150,000,000.00 plus hire his staff for $100,000,000.00

Fire our HC and staff buying everyone out figure another $200,000,000.00

Then fire them all in (2) years , throw another estimated $350,000,000.00 replacing everyone again.

In 6-8 years we can hit A BILLION DOLLARS in firing and hiring.

We should also buy our own BLIMPS

GOCANES
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Buddy lay off the crack
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
OP, great thread.

Can you provide UGA stats from this metric for Kirby era?

Since ppl like to compare us to uga.
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Looking at 2022:

-1.7 against Missouri
-1.9 against Tenn
-2.3 against Kentucky

So negative value that hovers around 0.

They had 4 games of a 20+ positive offensive value generated, all against P5 teams.

They had 3 single digit offensive value games, with Auburn being .1, so basically 0.

For context, Tenn graded out as the best offense in 2022.

They had two negative value games:

-7.6 Pitt
-15 Georgia

The rest were positive, with only Clemson in the bowl game not being a double digit positive game, and 3 games of 20+ positive value, two against P5 teams.

2021 Georgia:

-13 Clemson
-4.7 UF
-2.6 Bama (Title Game)

3 games of a 20+ value generation, two were P5 teams.

3 games with a single digit positive generation, with Bama in SECC game being 1.0, so basically 0.

The thing about Georgia is their offense plays a lot of games where they are legit not trying to score on drives, because the defense was SO dominant. Their defensive value generated scores are insane.

So Georgia had a lot of games where, if they scored 20, the game was over. You needed turnover luck to have a chance. So Kirby’s offense was designed to bleed the clock and limit your turnover luck chances. Which hurts your analytic rankings, because the analytics don’t see 23-6 at the start of the 4th quarter as “garbage time.” But for UGA it was.

For additional context:

In Mario’s entire time since Oregon:

2019 Nevada (G5)
2021 Colorado (32.2)
2021 Oregon State

These are the only games in his entire career Mario’s offenses have generated a positive value of 20+. That’s it.

Kirby has 7 in only looking at two years while having a defense so dominant he wasn’t even trying to generate yards and points on a bunch of offensive drives.

Josh Heupel had more in 1 season without his players to run the scheme.
 
mossmadness said:
Looking at 2022:

-1.7 against Missouri
-1.9 against Tenn
-2.3 against Kentucky

So negative value that hovers around 0.

They had 4 games of a 20+ positive offensive value generated, all against P5 teams.

They had 3 single digit offensive value games, with Auburn being .1, so basically 0.

For context, Tenn graded out as the best offense in 2022.

They had two negative value games:

-7.6 Pitt
-15 Georgia

The rest were positive, with only Clemson in the bowl game not being a double digit positive game, and 3 games of 20+ positive value, two against P5 teams.

2021 Georgia:

-13 Clemson
-4.7 UF
-2.6 Bama (Title Game)

3 games of a 20+ value generation, two were P5 teams.

3 games with a single digit positive generation, with Bama in SECC game being 1.0, so basically 0.

The thing about Georgia is their offense plays a lot of games where they are legit not trying to score on drives, because the defense was SO dominant. Their defensive value generated scores are insane.

So Georgia had a lot of games where, if they scored 20, the game was over. You needed turnover luck to have a chance. So Kirby’s offense was designed to bleed the clock and limit your turnover luck chances. Which hurts your analytic rankings, because the analytics don’t see 23-6 at the start of the 4th quarter as “garbage time.” But for UGA it was.

For additional context:

In Mario’s entire time since Oregon:

2019 Nevada (G5)
2021 Colorado (32.2)
2021 Oregon State

These are the only games in his entire career Mario’s offenses have generated a positive value of 20+. That’s it.

Kirby has 7 in only looking at two years while having a defense so dominant he wasn’t even trying to generate yards and points on a bunch of offensive drives.

Josh Heupel had more in 1 season without his players to run the scheme.
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Jimminy Crickets! We are so freaking screwed!
 
Mario is 100% responsible. As Dr. Henry Cloud says, "he is ridiculously in charge". He's the head coach with no handcuffs (except the ones he put on himself). He gets paid more and has been given more control and more resources than any coach in Miami history in an era where getting the roster and staff the way you want it is as fluid as it's ever been (unlimited analysts. unlimited yearly scholarships. Transfer portal. NIL). By a mile.

Any failure is a direct reflection of his leadership and inability to cast a clear vision and get others to embrace that vision.

He gets the coaches and players he deserves and they perform the way he deserves.

Everything else is just semantics.
 
mossmadness said:
Looking at 2022:

-1.7 against Missouri
-1.9 against Tenn
-2.3 against Kentucky

So negative value that hovers around 0.

They had 4 games of a 20+ positive offensive value generated, all against P5 teams.

They had 3 single digit offensive value games, with Auburn being .1, so basically 0.

For context, Tenn graded out as the best offense in 2022.

They had two negative value games:

-7.6 Pitt
-15 Georgia

The rest were positive, with only Clemson in the bowl game not being a double digit positive game, and 3 games of 20+ positive value, two against P5 teams.

2021 Georgia:

-13 Clemson
-4.7 UF
-2.6 Bama (Title Game)

3 games of a 20+ value generation, two were P5 teams.

3 games with a single digit positive generation, with Bama in SECC game being 1.0, so basically 0.

The thing about Georgia is their offense plays a lot of games where they are legit not trying to score on drives, because the defense was SO dominant. Their defensive value generated scores are insane.

So Georgia had a lot of games where, if they scored 20, the game was over. You needed turnover luck to have a chance. So Kirby’s offense was designed to bleed the clock and limit your turnover luck chances. Which hurts your analytic rankings, because the analytics don’t see 23-6 at the start of the 4th quarter as “garbage time.” But for UGA it was.

For additional context:

In Mario’s entire time since Oregon:

2019 Nevada (G5)
2021 Colorado (32.2)
2021 Oregon State

These are the only games in his entire career Mario’s offenses have generated a positive value of 20+. That’s it.

Kirby has 7 in only looking at two years while having a defense so dominant he wasn’t even trying to generate yards and points on a bunch of offensive drives.

Josh Heupel had more in 1 season without his players to run the scheme.
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Fantastic post using facts and stats/analytics once again to prove what many of us already knew, my friend.

We hired the King of all Corches. A man that is allergic to potent offensive football, and who salivates at the thought of a 7-3, beat up your opponent and their momma kind of game.

Memnon shared some data as well last season pointing to Mario’s history of anemic offenses. But most on this board got mad at him at the time. He was just sharing facts, too.
 
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Update:

Miami had an offensive value generated of -10.7 against FSU.

So that’s 6 negative offensive value games on the year, with 4 of them being double digits.

Just a reminder for context:

The worst one Lashlee had with a rFR TVD was -5.9.
 
Great.

It's year two, dude is our third head coach in a five-year span (2018-2022) and our sixth head coach over 17 years (2006-2022).

Program was neutered by Shalalalalaaa for 15 years; her kill-what-you-eat approach to athletics, which had hat in hand Miami joining the wrong-fit ACC or moving from Nike to adidas—both for paychecks—as it was a broke *** program making second-rate hires due to a lack of funding.

Things literally changed two years ago with the hiring of Cristobal and Radakovich, as well as bringing in Highsmith, upgrading facilities and stripping things down to the studs for a complete rebuild.

Y'all wanted to run Butch Davis off in year three, flying silly little planes over the Orange Bowl against West Virginia when the man started 1-2—falling to 1-4 after losing to the Mountaineers and getting rolled 47-0 at Tallahassee a week later. Three years later he had the greatest team of all time assembled in South Florida.

Mario took over a disaster of a program. He gets more than two years to rebuild it.

All the Mike Norvell fan boys around here; dude was 3-6 year one, 0-4 out the gate year two (with a loss to Jacksonville State), was 6-12 going into the game against Miami that fall—and 8-13 after two seasons—before 10-3 in year three and now 10-0 in year four.

If Mario doesn't have this thing better in year three and rolling in year four, great—break out the pitchforks.

It's year two and his quarterback—who started with an 11 touchdown to one interception ratio after four games—now has 11 picks, two fumbles and five touchdowns to his past four games.... which doesn't take paragraphs of analytics to figure out that the culprit the second half of this season is Tyler Van Yips.
 
No greater proof of how important a QB is to success than Bill Belicheck. Look at his legacy now. He went from being thought of by many as the GOAT (in reality, he was a cheater, unlike Don Shula, but that's beside the point), to being an average coach who lucked into having the greatest QB of all time fall in his lap. Brady goes on to win another Super Bowl, Belicheck is on the verge of getting fired.
 
ItsAUThing.com said:
Great.

It's year two, dude is our third head coach in a five-year span (2018-2022) and our sixth head coach over 17 years (2006-2022).

Program was neutered by Shalalalalaaa for 15 years; her kill-what-you-eat approach to athletics, which had hat in hand Miami joining the wrong-fit ACC or moving from Nike to adidas—both for paychecks—as it was a broke *** program making second-rate hires due to a lack of funding.

Things literally changed two years ago with the hiring of Cristobal and Radakovich, as well as bringing in Highsmith, upgrading facilities and stripping things down to the studs for a complete rebuild.

Y'all wanted to run Butch Davis off in year three, flying silly little planes over the Orange Bowl against West Virginia when the man started 1-2—falling to 1-4 after losing to the Mountaineers and getting rolled 47-0 at Tallahassee a week later. Three years later he had the greatest team of all time assembled in South Florida.

Mario took over a disaster of a program. He gets more than two years to rebuild it.

All the Mike Norvell fan boys around here; dude was 3-6 year one, 0-4 out the gate year two (with a loss to Jacksonville State), was 6-12 going into the game against Miami that fall—and 8-13 after two seasons—before 10-3 in year three and now 10-0 in year four.

If Mario doesn't have this thing better in year three and rolling in year four, great—break out the pitchforks.

It's year two and his quarterback—who started with an 11 touchdown to one interception ratio after four games—now has 11 picks, two fumbles and five touchdowns to his past four games.... which doesn't take paragraphs of analytics to figure out that the culprit the second half of this season is Tyler Van Yips.
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Butch took over a disaster. Mario inherited a team that was 15 - 8 in it's last 23 games.
 
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
Butch took over a disaster. Mario inherited a team that was 15 - 8 in it's last 23 games.
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WITH MORE RESOURCES AND MONEY THAN ANY COACH EVER GOT HERE (most expensive staff in the conference, top 10 in the country, every perk imaginable) but nope, 15-8 means it was a full on rebuild and complete disaster that no one should be expected to win
 
hoops156 said:
WITH MORE RESOURCES AND MONEY THAN ANY COACH EVER GOT HERE (most expensive staff in the conference, top 10 in the country, every perk imaginable) but nope, 15-8 means it was a full on rebuild and complete disaster that no one should be expected to win
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Cristobals biggest mistake, by far, was that he didn't give the QB job to the guy who earned it earlier in the season. I think we can all agree we would have lost the Clemson game if TVD had started. Williams managed the game and it turned out just like Cristobal wanted - we limited turnovers and relied on the defense and run game. It worked great. It should have been Williams job after that.

We squeaked by a bad UVA squad, TVD threw two INTs and for 165 yards. I don't think Williams would have done worse. If Cristobal gives Williams the start at NC St and uses the same game plan as with Clemson, I am certain that we would have won. And then you would have have had Williams with three games under his belt, on a 3 game win streak, and in sync with the offense. That little bit extra time with the O may have made all the difference with FSU.

So I think we'd be at 8-2 right now and lining up an acc championship berth if Cristobal had stuck with the QB who beat Clemson, which was the best defense we faced and the best win we've had in years.
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
Great.

It's year two, dude is our third head coach in a five-year span (2018-2022) and our sixth head coach over 17 years (2006-2022).

Program was neutered by Shalalalalaaa for 15 years; her kill-what-you-eat approach to athletics, which had hat in hand Miami joining the wrong-fit ACC or moving from Nike to adidas—both for paychecks—as it was a broke *** program making second-rate hires due to a lack of funding.

Things literally changed two years ago with the hiring of Cristobal and Radakovich, as well as bringing in Highsmith, upgrading facilities and stripping things down to the studs for a complete rebuild.

Y'all wanted to run Butch Davis off in year three, flying silly little planes over the Orange Bowl against West Virginia when the man started 1-2—falling to 1-4 after losing to the Mountaineers and getting rolled 47-0 at Tallahassee a week later. Three years later he had the greatest team of all time assembled in South Florida.

Mario took over a disaster of a program. He gets more than two years to rebuild it.

All the Mike Norvell fan boys around here; dude was 3-6 year one, 0-4 out the gate year two (with a loss to Jacksonville State), was 6-12 going into the game against Miami that fall—and 8-13 after two seasons—before 10-3 in year three and now 10-0 in year four.

If Mario doesn't have this thing better in year three and rolling in year four, great—break out the pitchforks.

It's year two and his quarterback—who started with an 11 touchdown to one interception ratio after four games—now has 11 picks, two fumbles and five touchdowns to his past four games.... which doesn't take paragraphs of analytics to figure out that the culprit the second half of this season is Tyler Van Yips.
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Some people have brains, and can realize that Mario won't be able to pull in a good QB, a good QB Coach, a good OC, and a modern offensive Scheme.

These failures will result in poor records.

After watching his Miami teams play for 2 seasons now, do you really think it's going to get better next year?

There is literally nothing to suggest we will be better next year.

Year 1 was 5-7 including a 4-OT win against a bottom feeder.

This year will be 6-7 including 2 OT wins against bottom feeders.

Both seasons are essentially 4-8 wastes.

Next year will be the same but keep defending Mario.
 
Last update:

Miami had an offensive value generated rating of 19.1 against BC.

20+ is regarded as a very good offensive day. So 19.1 is right there, and would be one of the top 5 best offensive day of Mario’s entire career.

Rutgers was a -3.6.

So Miami finished the season with 7 negative offensive value generated games.

Which is an improvement over the 8 from last year while playing in one more game. And people can decide for themselves how much to hold a bowl game performance against them.

Just for context:

UGA finished the year without a single negative value game, and had 5 games of a 20+ value generated, which is 2 more than Mario has had in this entire career.

If you wanted to know how far away we are from being an elite offense (UGA finished ranked 3 offensively).

UNC finished the year with 3 negative rated games (one was the bowl game they basically no-showed), and then one 20+ positive game. They finished 19th offensively, so in the very good grouping.
 
"there is no recruiting class that will save us from this" is false. Or could be false. It's not a fact.

UGA was awesome on offense this year with Mike Bobo coordinating it. He is literally a bozo, and it's not because his last name is similar. Dude flat-out sucks and has proven it at every stop of his career, bar none.

Except when provided with obscene talent via Spermy Fart's recruiting (shoutout @The Franchise).

So yeah, Mario might be a dunce on gameday. Surely hasn't proven he isn't, thus far. But this post is a little too much doom and gloom. There's a chance Miami can field a truly elite offense with Mario as the Head Coach, and the path to that is via the way he recruits. Coaching is certainly very important, but over time, Jimmy's and Joe's will ALWAYS >>>> X's and O's at this level. Maybe not play to play or quarter to quarter, but year to year, it rings true. Alabama is good literally every single season, and it's not because of Nick Saban or their OCs. ****, he was about to hire Dan Penos. He hired Tommy Rees. The common denominator is he has the best players.
 
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