One last look at last years defense...

[k9cane]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

 

[TomAce]

 

[miamicanephins]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

F this, Marino owned da Bears!

 

[JamesQuall]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

Very well said. It illustrates the point well.

A lot of people on this board used statistics to place the blame on Cam, Dawson, X, and others on offense while posting total defense rankings as if that proved the defense wasn't the worst we had ever seen.

 

[JHallCanes]

OP is a gentleman and a scholar but looking at it last year was enough for me

Amen about the statistics though

I did a little comp about Heatherman that was similar but used YPG as well. He held opponents under the average in almost every game

 

[k9cane]

F this, Marino owned da Bears!

he had Buddy Ryan and Mike Ditka nearly getting into a fist fight at halftime!!

 

[Empirical Cane]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

Thats the muppets I'm lighting on fire, not self-immolation.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

OP is a gentleman and a scholar but looking at it last year was enough for me

Amen about the statistics though

I did a little comp about Heatherman that was similar but used YPG as well. He held opponents under the average in almost every game

2024 Minnesota overall stats would've been even more impressive if they could've wrapped up Kaleb Johnson in the backfield. Hetherman had his dudes in place to make plays but couldn't bring him down.

 

[LuCane]

The title of this thread turned my stomach. You’re my guy, Steve, but I’m not reading. Nope.

 

[Go Canes!!]

College football free agency makes previous seasons irrelevant .

All that matters is how much we added this off season and how they’ll perform.

 

[JHallCanes]

2024 Minnesota overall stats would've been even more impressive if they could've wrapped up Kaleb Johnson in the backfield. Hetherman had his dudes in place to make plays but couldn't bring him down.

I’m biased towards Heatherman so I found some ways to explain some of the anomalies. One game they were way ahead and allowed the other team to score some garbage points and yards in the second half

Either way the body of work is solid if unproven long term

I’m a defensive guy at heart and I’m still shook over last year but cautiously very optimistic especially if guys like Toure are healthy

 

[pyhooya]

 

[k9cane]

The title of this thread turned my stomach. You’re my guy, Steve, but I’m not reading. Nope.

C'mon!! It's the last step before we turn the page!!

 

[rsa coral gables]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

love the analysis and agree one hundred percent.

a correction. it was not a politician that said of pornography "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it." it was a phrase in justice Potter Stewart's concurrence in the 1964 Supreme Court case Jacobellis v Ohio.

fun fact: during the 1960s-1970s obscenity cases that came before the Supreme Court, the Court set up a video room in the basement of the Court. when there was a pending case, they would watch the allegedly offending movie in the room in the basement. imagine 9 old men watching hard core **** in a dark room in the basement of the supreme court? funny visual, to say the least.

on one Friday, Justice Thurgood Marshall was eating lunch at Georgetown when he noticed he was running late for the movie. he abruptly ended his lunch, burst out of of the restaurant, instructed his driver to run the red lights and get his **** to the Court. he didn't want to miss a minute.

 

[Manfred_Cane]

I’m biased towards Heatherman so I found some ways to explain some of the anomalies. One game they were way ahead and allowed the other team to score some garbage points and yards in the second half

Either way the body of work is solid if unproven long term

I’m a defensive guy at heart and I’m still shook over last year but cautiously very optimistic especially if guys like Toure are healthy

He had his success at Minnesota without the same level of athlete/player we have on our defense as well. I'm very bullish on him and expect a noticeable turnaround. Top 10 defense? Not exactly. But the eye test will back the stats.

 

[JHallCanes]

C'mon!! It's the last step before we turn the page!!

 

[stormsurge]

OP failed to mention that the D brought disgrace on our Dear Leader and for that I WILL NEVER FORGIVE LANCE GUIDRY!!!!!

 

[NCCanefan]

They say there are lies, **** lies and statistics. I bring this up because I saw some metrics that suggested the '24 #Canes defense wasn't THAT bad. Well, I beg to differ. It cost Miami(who had the #1 offense and the top pick in the NFL Draft) a playoff bid.

It reminds me of that quote when this politician was asked if he could define pornography. He responded by stating, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it."

And last year WAS a bad defense. Just for kicks, with the help of Pick Six Previews I looked at how many points the Miami defense gave up in their P4-level games and how it compared to the average of how many points those opponents scored on average throughout the season. David Letterman U (Ball St) and the University of the Marching 100 (FAMU) and USF were thrown out. Here are the results:

- Florida 17 --- avg, 28.3 (after this game we were crowning Lance Guidry)
- VaTech 35 -- avg 28.2 (at this point we had an issue, but we thought it could be fixed0
- Cal 38 -- avg 25.1 (they scored one defensive TD, but this defense got gashed in Berkley)
- L'Ville 45 -- avg, 36.5 (it was obvious at this point, this defense was a sieve)
- FSU - 14 - avg 15.4 (the Noles had the most consistently bad offense in the land)
- Duke 31 -- avg 26.3 (best ball Malik Murphy played all year for 2 quarters)
- Ga Tech 28 -- avg 28.5 (wasn't so much the points but the time of possession)
- Wake Forest 14 -- avg. 25.7 (long live the 'Slow Mesh'!!)
- Cuse - 42 -- avg 34.1 (up 21-0 and then,...)
- Iowa St. 42 -- avg. 31.1 (well, we got to see Cam Ward for a half at least)

I know this isn't the most in-depth way of looking at it, but it does indicate what our eyes said we saw with this unit. There's a reason why UM has a new coordinator in Cory Heatherman. Now, it's time to turn the page. Hope springs eternal during fall camp.

I'll say it now, the floor for this defense is the 2000 Ravens, the ceiling is the 85 Bears.

Hey, like I said, hope springs eternal!!

I turned the page a long time before this as apparently did Mario. New DC, new secondary and adds at lb and db. Nobody going to learn anything looking at last year’s D train wreck

 

[E1k]

Defense did get some timely stops over stretches but when they were bad it was the worst **** ever

Its like at best they were a 5.5/10, at worst it was a .5/10

 

[k9cane]

OP failed to mention that the D brought disgrace on our Dear Leader and for that I WILL NEVER FORGIVE LANCE GUIDRY!!!!!

I swear if I saw Lance Guidry near the 38th Parallel, Id push him up north