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CityboyCanes4life82 said:
I mostly agree with what you’re saying, with one small clarification. Quarterbacks don’t really throw to coverages, they throw to space and leverage. At the college level especially, concepts are built with answers so the QB doesn’t have to perfectly diagnose Cover 2, 4, 6, or 8 in real time. If a defender loses leverage or spacing, the ball should be out.

Pre snap coverage ID has value, but more as a tool than a requirement. It helps set protection, anticipate your primary, and know where your alerts or hots are. Post snap, it’s less about labeling the coverage and more about confirming rules. You’re not thinking “this is Cover 6,” you’re seeing a safety widen, a curl defender sink, and knowing where the window is.

Where Beck has struggled isn’t that defenses disguise coverages. Everyone disguises coverages. His issue has been forcing throws instead of taking a few yards with his feet or throwing the ball away. Forcing throws is dangerous because it turns neutral plays into negative ones. A five yard scramble or an incompletion keeps you on schedule. A forced throw invites tipped balls, interceptions, and short fields for the defense.

A lot of that comes from trying to make a play instead of taking what the defense gives you. When a quarterback feels pressure to stay on schedule, convert third downs, or answer after a bad series, they start believing every play has to be a completion. That’s when patience disappears and risk goes up.

The irony is that taking the boring play actually makes the explosive ones come later. When you consistently live to the next down, defenses loosen, windows widen, and the game slows back down.
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Well said. Thank you.
 
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Cribby said:
Jojo is so frustrating. All the talent but effort is lacking at times. He should be so much better.
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he's worked in the weight room as he looks the part now ... just needs consistency ... wonder if reuniting with bailey will get him on track
 
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BeastMode said:
Is Miami ever going to pump fake the screen and take a shot? They haven’t attempted that all year. O$U will eat up those goofy *** screens that Dawson runs over and over and over again. You have to throw a wrinkle in there at some point
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Would be cool to see a rb screen.....I don't remember the last one Dawson called. I feel like we never evwr run those which is weird.
 
scrantoncane said:
I’ve disagreed with cribby about this before: I don’t think Beck struggles with getting off his first receiver, with going through his progressions. Instead, to me, his issue lies with getting off platform in the pocket. As soon as he feels pressure and gets off platform, the play is basically dead. At that point, you hope it is merely an incompletion and not a turnover.

Flip side is that if you give him protection, he will pick you apart. Thats why he has a 75% completion rate and is 13th in the nation in qbr. You don’t amass those statistics by not being able to find your 2nd option on routes.

At the top of everyone’s mind is the performance last week in miserable conditions, but this kid has been lights out all season aside from the 2 losses. As I’ve made clear in other threads, what I don’t want to see is a ********-clenched, conservative gameplan that doesn’t let QB1 get into a groove. Let him cook. Live or die with the result.

Alas, I don’t expect that to happen. Instead, I expect our HC to call a tight, conservative game which, combined with Ohio st slow pace of play, means there is likely only going to be ~8-10 possessions per team. In my opinion, buckeyes are much more likely than us to score via an explosive. Where I’m concerned is whether we can methodically move it down the field vs this opponent. I have my doubts.

Cheap way out is to say we need to win the turnover battle. Duh. Outside of that, there is a reason we are a 10 point dog.

So yeah, I’d let him cook. I’d come out swinging and try to get an early lead, even if it means risking early turnovers and a possible blowout. Marion and Daniels have been lights out all season. Looks to me like Beck trusts them. If you start to feed them and they produce, maybe the coverage on 10 softens up a bit.

And once you take that early lead, then let your natural tendency of clinching your ******** take over. Ride that OL to the semifinals.
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Not as much getting off the first read but more of not knowing what he’s seeing and being unsure which leads to a force into coverage, holding on to the ball too long leading to a sack. The issue with him has always been showing him different looks and he’ll give you the ball eventually or lead to mistakes / sacks. Go watch the Florida game , he started patting the ball and getting choppy feet. That’s a sign you’re unsure of what you’re seeing and getting uncomfortable . Then the mechanics break down which leads to the pick he threw late into coverage off balance. It wasn’t like UF was getting quick pressure , he just wasn’t processing what he was seeing well.
 
BS85 said:
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Would be cool to see a rb screen.....I don't remember the last one Dawson called. I feel like we never evwr run those which is weird.
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Seems like they would mesh so well with the A-gap centric, power rush offense he is running this season.

I’ve seen certain plays ran over and over this season, thinking they were trying to get stuff on film to play off it later in the season. But the playing off it stuff never came.

I’ll save some of that conversation for off-season chatter. But, yeah.
 
Cribby said:
Not as much getting off the first read but more of not knowing what he’s seeing and being unsure which leads to a force into coverage, holding on to the ball too long leading to a sack. The issue with him has always been showing him different looks and he’ll give you the ball eventually or lead to mistakes / sacks. Go watch the Florida game , he started patting the ball and getting choppy feet. That’s a sign you’re unsure of what you’re seeing and getting uncomfortable . Then the mechanics break down which leads to the pick he threw late into coverage off balance. It wasn’t like UF was getting quick pressure , he just wasn’t processing what he was seeing well.
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I think I agree with certain aspects of what you are saying.

He is programmed to get the ball out quick. Unlike what we saw with cam last year, who was comfortable with broken play type stuff and holding onto the ball and waiting for someone to come open.

With Beck, he likes to get it out quick, even if that means taking his check-down. So where I disagree is that he can’t make progressions. Plays are designed to have multiple options in the same field of vision for the QB. If option 1 is covered because they give me X look, then bang, Y should be open right here. I actually think Beck excels at that. I think he lacks in ability to throw into tight windows and throw to spots. He is the ultimate “take what the defense gives you” qb.

Where I agree with what you are saying is that, when the whole window is closed (option 1, 2 &3 or whatever), where we saw cam be cool and collected in the pocket, this is where beck’s internal clock speeds up and he starts to panic. You see the happy feet. There is no ability to move or climb within the pocket. His decision making ability in these scenarios essentially drops to zero. At times we’ve seen him panic and force it, which led to the INTs.

I think a lot of this is why we see so few vertical shots in this offense. Beck just simply isn’t Comfortable waiting for plays to develop. He wants to get it out quickly. Makes it a lot easier to defend. He is good at what he does, but he has a low ceiling imo. I wouldn’t draft him at all, not even on day 3.
 
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I said this a couple days ago.
This is about Beck/Dawson vs Patricia.

Dawson's gameplan was atrocious vs aTm, he even admitted it. He needs to call the entire game like he did vs ND.
I think Patricia is gonna line up Reese all over the place and bring him a bunch. As good as their DL is, it's all about effort and power. We handle that easily. Reese is twitched up and can bring heat.

We need to score 24 to win IMO.
 
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Cribby said:
Before I get into this, let me preface by saying I think our DL has an advantage and can cause chaos, especially if we keep OSU behind the chains. As for our OL vs. their DL, that’s a draw. Now, their secondary and scheme versus our QB/offense is where things get concerning. Matt Patricia is from the Belichick tree, so he’s going to take away your strength and force you to win with your weakness—like making a righty go left in basketball.

You won’t see nearly as much confusion or creativity with blitzing as A&M, but the confusion will be in the secondary. They’ll show Cover 8, Cover 6, Cover 4, and Cover 2, disguising one as another, and also use combo coverages. This is exactly what Beck struggles with: coming off the first read or not trusting what his eyes see. When the picture starts changing, Beck tends to get confused or throw picks.

Getting back to winning with your weakness—and being a Belichick protégé—I’d expect him to use a number-two corner on MT with some help over the top, maybe a bracket, then put the top cover guy on somebody like Daniels with no help. It makes things confusing for a DC trying to scheme around stopping a slot guy, since that player can be moved around, you never know where he’ll align, and he’s often off the LOS. That makes it harder to jam or disrupt the release.

The game will come down to Beck and the passing game, plain and simple. We won’t be able to line up and maul them like an undersized A&M defense. We just need to run enough to keep them off balance—at least get the attempts. Unlike @Hurricane23, I don’t like this matchup as much as the previous game, but I still see his point. There are enough areas where we have advantages, and IMO this game is very winnable. Just don’t beat ourselves—which is easier said than done.
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Well, I think if you think that is our gameplan you are setting yourself up for failure. We are no question about it going to try to make this a trench war & a **** measuring contest. So you can forget about anything else. I can see Beck throwing it less them 15 times tbh. Especially if its back & fourth. I fully expect us to try to play bully ball & yanno what. Maybe after last game that is who we are. I think this is a lace em up & lets see whos got the bigger ******* type game.
 
JgDaCane said:
Well, I think if you think that is our gameplan you are setting yourself up for failure. We are no question about it going to try to make this a trench war & a **** measuring contest. So you can forget about anything else. I can see Beck throwing it less them 15 times tbh. Especially if its back & fourth. I fully expect us to try to play bully ball & yanno what. Maybe after last game that is who we are. I think this is a lace em up & lets see whos got the bigger ******* type game.
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Respectfully, I don't agree with you. I think Dawson and Beck will take what the defense gives them. If they're loading the box, Beck won't be afraid to throw based on numbers and space.
 
BeastMode said:
Beck is the worst QB left in the playoffs. He will need a magical night to help the Canes win. Let’s see if he can do it.
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I’d take Beck over Stockton and Morton. Regardless, your point still stands. Has to be on his A game if we want to win. The good thing he’s played a lot of college football and has shown up in big games before
 
JgDaCane said:
God Bless ya. You're in for a treat.
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Haha, you could be right but I have faith based on the past 5 games we'll take our shots. We ran a dozen trick plays vs. TAMU and I think the reason we clamped down so hard the passing game is what the wind did to the Jojo pass. No wind vs. Taint.

I'll scream at the TV and relish the fact we're in this game regardless.
 
Beck is very good throwing downfield. I think we can give him time. We need to loosen up that front.
As crazy as it sounds, Dawson needs to use Toney as a decoy more.
I'd love to see a wheel or a slot fade off of our wr screen game. It's been there for a while
 
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Cribby said:
Before I get into this, let me preface by saying I think our DL has an advantage and can cause chaos, especially if we keep OSU behind the chains. As for our OL vs. their DL, that’s a draw. Now, their secondary and scheme versus our QB/offense is where things get concerning. Matt Patricia is from the Belichick tree, so he’s going to take away your strength and force you to win with your weakness—like making a righty go left in basketball.

You won’t see nearly as much confusion or creativity with blitzing as A&M, but the confusion will be in the secondary. They’ll show Cover 8, Cover 6, Cover 4, and Cover 2, disguising one as another, and also use combo coverages. This is exactly what Beck struggles with: coming off the first read or not trusting what his eyes see. When the picture starts changing, Beck tends to get confused or throw picks.

Getting back to winning with your weakness—and being a Belichick protégé—I’d expect him to use a number-two corner on MT with some help over the top, maybe a bracket, then put the top cover guy on somebody like Daniels with no help. It makes things confusing for a DC trying to scheme around stopping a slot guy, since that player can be moved around, you never know where he’ll align, and he’s often off the LOS. That makes it harder to jam or disrupt the release.

The game will come down to Beck and the passing game, plain and simple. We won’t be able to line up and maul them like an undersized A&M defense. We just need to run enough to keep them off balance—at least get the attempts. Unlike @Hurricane23, I don’t like this matchup as much as the previous game, but I still see his point. There are enough areas where we have advantages, and IMO this game is very winnable. Just don’t beat ourselves—which is easier said than done.
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Our Oline vs their Dline, we have a slight edge.

Our Oline vs their Dline plus Arvil Reese blitzing they have a slight edge.

Not worried about tackles vs their d ends.

Worried about interior blitzes from Reese against the center where broknmeyer gets stood up and shed or against guards where they cant handle speed. Also don’t see how any dump offs to fletcher will work
 
It really cannot be a three and out fest. We just have to sustain drives. We won’t win another game like the AM game. Need all cylinders clicking
 
grover said:
The Beck hate baffles me. Kid has been so worth he investment.
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Didn’t say he hasn’t. Based on pff grades and take those with a grain of salt he is the worst graded QB left in the playoffs. Either way this has been an extremely successful year .
 
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