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TheOriginalCane said:
Again, the draft has about 250 players drafted. The services evalute thousands of players.

The reality is that people were largely pointing out their substantial development on various blue-chippers. And how on3 did not even have a full complement of website yet. So they had about 30 university-coverage websites, thus they had better intel for some regions of the country than for other regions.

Sure, on3 is going to blow their own horn, based on a handful of the recruits they evaluated. Meaning, they took 250 guys and said "we were more accurate on THESE 250", but they don't analyze whether they overvalued guys who were not even drafted. Which, by comparison, there are thousands of OTHER evals for which we have no data on how accurate they might have been compared to other services.

Whatever. Yay on3. Pick up your trophy after the awards dinner.
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You are weird dude.
 
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tsimonitis said:
If not mistaken, didn't the same group start at Rivals, create 247, and then move on to on3? They have been the best at each of their stops.
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For the guys at the top, yes.

As for how they built their network, they just bought other sites. Like when they paid DotCum to switch Warchant from Rivals to on3.

And the rankings are assembled by both the beat writers and the "more senior guys". Back in 2021 and 2022, on3 had very spotty coverage. So who knows, maybe in those earlier years, the "more senior guys" dominated the picks.

I specifically remember the complaints though, because there were entire regions of the country that had no corresponding on3 writers/analysts. So the concern was that certain players were not being rated as highly because nobody was actually watching them play in person.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Joe Thomas was a shot put thrower. Lane Johnson. Brandon Scherff was a 60+ foot thrower.

Tons of future Top 10 picks were shot put or discus throwers in HS. Bodes well for this freak.
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Couldn't agree more. Shot put is about strength and explosion. Moving an object from complete stand still and projecting it through the air. Anyone that can do it well has the same traits as a "twitchy" skill position player.
 
gogeta4 said:
Its almost hte same as the grassy early cis days and ANY WR over 6'2 they wanted moved to TE maybe its the same guys that have this ncaa playstation urge to just move high end tackles in to chip on a dt and work up to backer lol
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I ******* laughed out loud at this.

For DECADES, Miami fans have been trying to move big WRs to TE, and big TEs to OL/DL.

All because it worked out for Warren Sapp once upon a time.

Hilarious!
 
TheOriginalCane said:
So, you're suggesting that a college roster of 18 and 19 year olds (and Cantwell will be 17) is comparable to NFL roster-building?

Sure. Sure...
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I mean I don't know **** about ****, all I am suggesting is that the concept of "sign as many big giant freaks as possible and you can have some of them play guard" maybe isn't the worst idea. Obviously we are not paying Cantwell to play guard but I also don't think the idea of recruiting a bunch of tackles and moving the ones that don't win starting jobs to guard is completely silly either.
 
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cowboycane said:
I mean I don't know **** about ****, all I am suggesting is that the concept of "sign as many big giant freaks as possible and you can have some of them play guard" maybe isn't the worst idea. Obviously we are not paying Cantwell to play guard but I also don't think the idea of recruiting a bunch of tackles and moving the ones that don't win starting jobs to guard is completely silly either.
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I get it. We actually do the latter.

I think CIS wannabe-coaches base their brilliant position changes on height/weight as reported on websites. I think the UM coaches base it more on things such as footwork and hand-fighting that they are able to observe in practices.
 
bobbydigius said:
You are mentally unstable and lash out at anybody over anything on here. I understand stats and data analysis just fine. I hope you get the help you need.
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I'm so sorry that you feel like my simple comments about on3 (not "you personally") were so hurtful to you that you consider it to be "lashing out". Or that you feel you can call people names and that they won't respond to you.

Clearly, you were damaged at some point in life, and while I can't fix that for you, I'll try to be more gentle with you in the future. I now realize it was QUITE the insult for me to make an observation about on3 (again, not "you personally") by quoting one of your posts. I cannot possibly fathom the psychic pain that caused you, and for that I humbly apologize.

Wow...if this is "lashing out"...


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gogeta4 said:
The best ive ever seen as my dad was a hs track coach in s.fla ...i threw as well but sucked.

But the best we saw down here was ...Vince Wilfork. Remember being at the meet with my dad and then later realizing he was the dt we had later while watching a game and my dad saying that was that big joker that threw the shotput far as **** that one meet. lol These dudes usually have stone hands...literally.
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Guys like Gerald McCoy, Marcel Dareus and Ndamukong Suh (60+ ft thrower) also varying degrees of good HS shot put guys.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I'm so sorry that you feel like my simple comments about on3 (not "you personally") were so hurtful to you that you consider it to be "lashing out". Or that you feel you can call people names and that they won't respond to you.

Clearly, you were damaged at some point in life, and while I can't fix that for you, I'll try to be more gentle with you in the future. I now realize it was QUITE the insult for me to make an observation about on3 (again, not "you personally") by quoting one of your posts. I cannot possibly fathom the psychic pain that caused you, and for that I humbly apologize.

Wow...if this is "lashing out"...


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This text book projection does explain a ton. I wish you the best, we are Canes after all.
 
bobbydigius said:
This text book projection does explain a ton. I wish you the best, we are Canes after all.
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Projection and sarcasm are two different things.

I am curious as to why you got so butthurt over a couple of innocuous comments about on3 (not yourself personally) that you had to resort to name-calling.

But it's up to you if you want to explain.
 
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DMoney said:
For whatever it’s worth, 247 got beat up pretty good in the NFL Draft this year by on3.

Love our Miami 247 guys and am a fan of the national product but they have to do some soul searching on the rankings.
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There's been a lot of churn among the services over the past few years.

I'd like to see all of them do more in-person scouting, particularly at games and not just the staged camps and 7-on-7s.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Why do you change my words?

I said "more established". Not "established". There are guys on the roster right now who will have one or two years of experience on Cantwell by the time he has a chance to get into a game. Guys like Kinsler and Alofaituli and Buchanan and Wilkerson and McCoy and Plazz.

Now, before you get all excited and claim "those guys aren't guards", I would point out that I have frequently spoken about how Cristobal/Mirabal recruit MOSTLY high school OTs and then figure out who to move to OG.

But that won't be happening with Cantwell. Just as it didn't happen with Mauigoa or Okunlola.

There are other smaller guys who will be more suited for OG. Just not Cantwell.

Again, the video game approach to roster-building and roster positions. "Here are the guys who have started, and next year they will be gone". Yeah? One or more of our OTs will be gone by then too.

Can't we just stop trying to project position changes for 16 year old recruits? Is that such a difficult impulse to restrain? And let the coaches observe how these guys respond in practices? And let the coaches earn their millions by making the right choices? And if all else fails, we hit the Portal for guards.

It's exhausting. "Let's move Jackson Cantwell to guard, because I can't envision a half-dozen guys who are currently on our roster being able to step up and replace the seniors when they graduate, I can instead only project a position change for the #1 recruit in the country."

Let's enjoy signing this amazing TACKLE. We can talk about GUARDS on another day.
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I didn’t say start him dámn. And it’s not a position change. It happens in cfb and the nfl where you have a young tackle and you start him off at guard to get his feet wet
 
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