OL Moves

[Shooter McGavin]

New drinking game. Every time Mensah gets sacked, throws away or has to hit the check down and the announcers saying Toney was wide open we drink. Because Jones said it like 15 times Saturdays night.

Early in the game, Mensah was about to hit Toney deep for a sure td but SJ got his **** pushed in and the ball was tipped.

 

[RedSquare]

Both were.

We needed it to be Seaton/Samson/ryan/kinsler/mccoy with ben rotating in. This wasn’t the year to bet on inexperience

and SJ would have played anyways. he would have had to sub in because Kinsler couldn't go more than two plays without oxygen and an IV drip. to paraphrase dean wormer: "being fat, lazy, and stupid, is no way to be a great offensive lineman."

 

[Fawk_U Haters]

SJ had a real nice reach block on Mallory’s TD in overtime

I’ll be honest and people don’t want to hear this but SJ might have been our best player on the line this past week. He didn’t stick out and he wasn’t bad at Clemson. Actually had a couple nice plays when where the dline twisted and he caught just enough of his guy and the looper that Mensah got the ball away

SJ is actually playing better week to week and I get that people have the snapshot and want what they want. However this past week SJ wasn’t the problem

Seems like we were having a lot of trouble with our tackles. Especially pancake

 

[RedSquare]

Yeah, and you can still find stinker reps against #5 (who is a good DT) from the FSU game. Small guard struggles to block big, talented DT straight-up, breaking news. The thing is we are doing tons more gap scheme stuff in the run game this year than in prior years Mario and Dawson have been here. SJ does much better when he is on the move. Is he perfect? No. But the reverse to Mali is a good example of SJ's value to the team. I don't think there are many guards nimble enough to pull right to left, and completely stone a free runner 3-4 yards in the backfield. That play doesn't work if SJ doesn't make that block.

some good observations here.

playing guard will help SJ down the road, because there are numerous advantages to cross training positions.

but the reality is, SJ is a pure center, and has significant upside at that position, from a leverage and athleticism perspective.

as a guard, however, he'll probably never be anything better than serviceable. the problem is, it appears no one else on the team is good enough to supplant him at RG right now. which is both unfortunate ... and frightening.

 

[nycane]

No one wants to talk about how he’s supposed to be starting and now we have it deal with SJ. Hopefully he gets better quickly or meriweather improves.

right. I would be more inclined to hope meriweather improves. he's a BIG guy. SJ looks like a chubby little kid next to the others.

 

[RedSquare]

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in that case, mirabal is about to get (even) shorter

 

[Ghandi]

I think if that’s to be the case it’s either gotta be Merriweather or Cantwell. I just don’t see any other options.

Pickett can do it.

He’s starting to push a bit.

Consistency is the key and that’s not a trait frequently found in young people.

I’ve given up on Meriweather personally. All flash and no consistency for a guy that age is concerning.

 

[San Amaro Dr]

some good observations here.

playing guard will help SJ down the road, because there are numerous advantages to cross training positions.

but the reality is, SJ is a pure center, and has significant upside at that position, from a leverage and athleticism perspective.

as a guard, however, he'll probably never be anything better than serviceable. the problem is, it appears no one else on the team is good enough to supplant him at RG right now. which is both unfortunate ... and frightening.

No. Every player on this roster is afforded the opportunity to develop except SJ. You aren't allowed to acknowledge he has gotten better week over week.

 

[Ghandi]

Come on @Landon Tengwall.

Edit- I’m a ****** who can’t read

 

[Ghandi]

How many straight up whiffs has SJ had this season? And why even bother trying to pull him and run behind him at this point

If he was undersized but played good assignment football that’s one thing. But half the time he is just completely lost

Edit - still an emotional ******

 

[Ghandi]

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OL isn’t a weakness.

 

[Cribby]

How many straight up whiffs has SJ had this season? And why even bother trying to pull him and run behind him at this point

If he was undersized but played good assignment football that’s one thing. But half the time he is just completely lost

I’ve been saying since Saturday Mallory saved the OL so many times. Pathetic.

 

[AUcane]

I think if that’s to be the case it’s either gotta be Merriweather or Cantwell. I just don’t see any other options.

the only way cantwell sees the field this year is if McCoy moves to RG and Cantwell is at RT. JMO

 

[aelmiami]

SJ had a real nice reach block on Mallory’s TD in overtime

I’ll be honest and people don’t want to hear this but SJ might have been our best player on the line this past week. He didn’t stick out and he wasn’t bad at Clemson. Actually had a couple nice plays when where the dline twisted and he caught just enough of his guy and the looper that Mensah got the ball away

SJ is actually playing better week to week and I get that people have the snapshot and want what they want. However this past week SJ wasn’t the problem

Seems like we were having a lot of trouble with our tackles. Especially pancake

Pancake seems to be struggling against speed rushers. We ran a lot on that side, especially with Mallory, so he’s definitely making his money on the running plays, I mean I’d have to rewatch it but it felt like most of our outside runs went to the left.

IIRC, he got beat badly on the final drive of regulation on that third down play. I don’t know how fixable that is, but it’s a definitely a problem from my very untrained eye.

 

[Ghandi]

Yes, this is a bad rep, but I just went back and charted it and SJ pulled on 11 running plays against FSU. He successfully blocked on 8 of them. Whiffed on two. On one he neither whiffed nor got a block as Fletcher got tackled from behind first. We ran for 86 yards on all 11 plays (7.8 ypc), and 9.75 ypc on the successful SJ pulls. Not saying SJ was the reason for these plays success (or lack thereof), but when he misses a block on a pull it gets clipped and no one ever clips or mentions the plays that the kid does his job on.

1	11:01 2nd Q	Y	7 yards
2	8:58 2nd Q	Y	3 yards
3	12:53 3rd Q	N	3 yards
4	11:41 3rd Q	Y	8 yards
5	11:11 3rd Q	Y	2 yards
6	8:48 3rd Q	Y	25 yards
7	4:03 3rd Q	inc	2 yards
8	10:14 4th Q	Y	30 yards
9	6:18 4th Q	N	3 yards
10	3:28 4th Q	Y	2 yards
11	1:22 4th Q	Y	1 yard

Thank you, sir.

 

[90scane]

Yes, this is a bad rep, but I just went back and charted it and SJ pulled on 11 running plays against FSU. He successfully blocked on 8 of them. Whiffed on two. On one he neither whiffed nor got a block as Fletcher got tackled from behind first. We ran for 86 yards on all 11 plays (7.8 ypc), and 9.75 ypc on the successful SJ pulls. Not saying SJ was the reason for these plays success (or lack thereof), but when he misses a block on a pull it gets clipped and no one ever clips or mentions the plays that the kid does his job on.

1	11:01 2nd Q	Y	7 yards
2	8:58 2nd Q	Y	3 yards
3	12:53 3rd Q	N	3 yards
4	11:41 3rd Q	Y	8 yards
5	11:11 3rd Q	Y	2 yards
6	8:48 3rd Q	Y	25 yards
7	4:03 3rd Q	inc	2 yards
8	10:14 4th Q	Y	30 yards
9	6:18 4th Q	N	3 yards
10	3:28 4th Q	Y	2 yards
11	1:22 4th Q	Y	1 yard

I'm all for SJ pulling. Just stop running power behind him!