Ok. Not a thread for stadium deniers

[BigCaneAl]

Based on what Alex Ruiz was saying last night I think the sites around the Miami River/Magic City Casino may make the most sense. They want to create some retail, bars, etc around the site. Don’t think that’s possible at Tripical.

 

[dookie blaylock]

The Baylor stadium is also a good model built in a small space with limited access - they built a bridge over the river from campus and it is surrounded by highway and interstates. Very limited parking area outside the stadium.

Very well engineered flow of traffic and walkways and utilization of pre-existing parking.

It's also the open-ended bowl design similar to the Orange Bowl. Wasn't all that expensive to build. I think the whole project cost them $250-260M

i think fiu ruined high-capacity pedestrian bridges for the foreseeable future.

 

[Goulds Cane]

When we start winning & the Hard Rock is packed and loud, the conversation of a new stadium will cease.

Hard Rock ain't a bad stadium, y'all just don't like it because we suck & there is no crowd except for when we play FSU or FAMU/Bethune

 

[rsa coral gables]

I'm not doing anything. Is all of Hard Rock paved? I'm just pointing out the size of the property and comparing it to HRS property. This thread is for speculation not stadium deniers. I'm aware a new stadium near UM is a pipe dream but who knows what a guy with Billions of dollars can get done. Maybe he goes to the intersection of 825 and 41 and builds a park twice the size so he can have TP for his stadium. There's thousands of acres out there and 836 goes right to them.

he doesn't have billions.

 

[Fluffhead]

Tell them I said it is a ridiculous idea

Only this fan base would ***** about a lack of funding for years, then ******* when we have a donor who wants to swing for the fences. Maybe it works out, maybe a scaled down version works out, maybe we stay at hard rock. But in any case, it’s not coming out of your money, the school’s coffers, and you aren’t doing any work, so I guess my question is why would you out of hand want to **** on it?

 

[ssvir]

I have no idea if he'll sell it.. the whole thread is nothing but speculation anyway. Billions of dollars that don't exist yet are the driving force. I'm just looking at land that COULD fit a stadium and is close to UM.

Simon Property Group owns 50% and Morgan Stanley owns the other 50%. The mall is worth at least $2B

 

[gruntking]

I've had the opportunity to speak with the Ruiz family on this and I'm going to say that the stadium is happening and there's no doubt about it. They are currently narrowing down the sites to three prime locations and I will mention those sites when that decision takes place. The capacity of the stadium will depend on the site and what the location is limited to.

What you talkin about Willis... can you PM me so I can chit-chat with them too... I don't have big bucks but do have connections.

 

[ZCanes]

I don’t get the allure of a stadium closer to campus with the size of the student body. What is it, 10k?

On campus makes sense for huge schools with a large number of students. Schools like Alabama, Michigan, Penn State, etc have on campus student parties on gamedays that have more student attendees than the total number of students at Miami, just for a party. That is what an on campus gameday atmosphere is.

For a school like us with such a small number of students, it’s dumb to waste the resources to make a stadium close to the school so that a few thousand students don’t have to take a bus to HRS.

The majority of the fans that go to games are not students and HRS is way easier to get to for the overall fan base. Plus HRS is and will be a far better stadium than any Mickey Mouse 50k stadium they build anywhere else.

Once we are good HRS will be rocking

 

[gruntking]

Huge $10 Presidentes?

 

[Tru C]

When we start winning & the Hard Rock is packed and loud, the conversation of a new stadium will cease.

Hard Rock ain't a bad stadium, y'all just don't like it because we suck & there is no crowd except for when we play FSU or FAMU/Bethune

I was at HRS for ND in 2017. This has nothing to do with how loud and rocking it is. This has everything to do with Miami reaching its full potential as a program both financially and being empowered. As long as you rent, you share revenue, as long as you rent, you dont get to make the decisions, as long as you rent, you leave your program at the mercy of another organization. There isnt an Athletic Director whom isnt a clown (Blake James) that believes Miami is in the most optimal position while renting 20+ miles away from campus and THANK GOD our new AD, with more experience than ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD agrees.

 

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[rsa coral gables]

Mario couldn't have said it any better. It is not the stadium, but the people. win and the people will show up.

 

[Canedude08]

Yes I know the land acquisition would be far more expensive. The actual cost of the stadium itself shouldn't exceed that too much.. although it sounds like Ruiz is planning to spend $500-600M regardless.

Building costs does vary by area. You can't pay someone in Miami the same as you would Waco.

 

[gruntking]

BTW... I'm Red, just like my avatar.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

It's also in WACO so land acquisition was pathetically cheap. To build that anywhere near campus, you'd have to spend 2-3x what they did and that's on the low end.

Not just difference in terms of land cost between Waco and South Florida, but labor cost, material costs, inflation and also remember we have to build at a certain level to make it acceptable to most fans to attend. That $250 or $300 million stadium in Waco is a cool billion in South Florida. Easily.

 

[canecrazy23]

When we start winning & the Hard Rock is packed and loud, the conversation of a new stadium will cease.

Hard Rock ain't a bad stadium, y'all just don't like it because we suck & there is no crowd except for when we play FSU or FAMU/Bethune

100%

 

[canecrazy23]

I don’t get the allure of a stadium closer to campus with the size of the student body. What is it, 10k?

On campus makes sense for huge schools with a large number of students. Schools like Alabama, Michigan, Penn State, etc have on campus student parties on gamedays that have more student attendees than the total number of students at Miami, just for a party. That is what an on campus gameday atmosphere is.

For a school like us with such a small number of students, it’s dumb to waste the resources to make a stadium close to the school so that a few thousand students don’t have to take a bus to HRS.

The majority of the fans that go to games are not students and HRS is way easier to get to for the overall fan base. Plus HRS is and will be a far better stadium than any Mickey Mouse 50k stadium they build anywhere else.

Once we are good HRS will be rocking

That's just it. There are more fans that have season tickets north of Miami than actually in Miami.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

When we start winning & the Hard Rock is packed and loud, the conversation of a new stadium will cease.

Hard Rock ain't a bad stadium, y'all just don't like it because we suck & there is no crowd except for when we play FSU or FAMU/Bethune

It has nothing to do with how great Hard Rock is

Any idea the revenue we miss out on by not having our own stadium? Not even factoring in the cost of the lease we're just giving away

Naming rights, sponsorships, concessions, parking, other ancillary items, lease and event revenue, etc. That's what happens when you get big-businessmen involved and looking at your financials to help.. they think of and identify the areas where more money can come from

If the university was footing the bill and the benefit was decades in the future.. ok probably not.

But someone else is looking to foot the bill and the university gets all or most of the benefit at no cost... football would be self-sustaining the entire athletic dept. Hard to pass up

 

[canecrazy23]

I was at HRS for ND in 2017. This has nothing to do with how loud and rocking it is. This has everything to do with Miami reaching its full potential as a program both financially and being empowered. As long as you rent, you share revenue, as long as you rent, you dont get to make the decisions, as long as you rent, you leave your program at the mercy of another organization. There isnt an Athletic Director whom isnt a clown (Blake James) that believes Miami is in the most optimal position while renting 20+ miles away from campus and THANK GOD our new AD, with more experience than ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD agrees.

So UF stadium holds 88,000
FSU stadium holds 79,000

And you want us to move into a 50,000 seat stadium because you will never get bigger than that down south.

 

[Tru C]

So UF stadium holds 88,000
FSU stadium holds 79,000

And you want us to move into a 50,000 seat stadium because you will never get bigger than that down south.

Yes, i want Miami to move into a 50,000 seat stadium if that is what it takes because it would be owned and operated 100% by UM.

Did you know that Camron Indoor Stadium at Duke is one of the smallest basketball arenas in the country? Certainly smaller than UNC but guess what? The DEMAND for tickets is more and therefore a higher premium. 100% of that revenue would go to UM. Curious, who gets more revenue, Baylor, at the stadium they own or Miami, at the stadium they rent or Oregon which has 54,000.