Oh boy

[The Sphinx]

Without the vid you can make the logical argument we would currently be undefeated.

Prove me wrong.

Look, I’m still not sold on Manny, got a lot to prove to me, but he’s moved the needle for me from being pegged all the way to the left on red, to still being in the red, but it’s just not pegged all the way over.

No question he’s improved over last year, and he’s filled the holes that needed to be filled.

Make no mistake though, he is going to be severely challenged next year.

Agreed. Don't think Manny's our long term answer, but he's made changes that have gotten us to 7-1. He deserves his kudos hands down.

Now, and just as you've said, 2021 will be a pivotal year for Manny. He either continues the upward trajectory and proves everyone that he is a credible coach, or he falls back to Earth and shows everyone that 2020 was a fluke.

Manny, don't get in your own way. Be smart and HIRE A STRONG DC, and let him do his thing. Not a slapdick that you can micromanage. Bring in someone who has a solid resume and knows what he is doing. You do that, and you're onto something.

 

[NorthEastCane]

I see nothing that should get any fan too up or too down. Its great he is on the Watch list and all but lets not act like he is a finalist for the **** thing either. Both sides of this argument can be right here.

That said, Manny seems to be smart enough to know that this is a one night stand with DKing and he has to get up and go home soon back to reality. I wouldnt be shocked if he had a grad transfer QB board already up and ready. I am sure that is why he hasnt gone hard after any QB recruits either. We will see soon.

They've been going pretty hard after Garcia or at least Lashlee was. I sense is that he's leaving that up to him. If anything, I'm hoping he has a grad transfer at CB lined up.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

King is the main difference, but not the only difference.

Bigger picture, having a more productive offense, has also made most of the difference, and naturally King is the biggest part of that. But receivers who we left for dead just weeks ago, have finally started to show signs of life, the OLine, while still subpar, has improved, and our offensive playcalling, while far from perfect, has markedly improved.

So coaching is better than last year, specifically on the offensive side.

Losing King would be a blow, as we don’t know what we have currently behind him, or what the portal prospects are.

Either way, with or without King, Manny will have a bigger challenge next year with his 2021 schedule, taking into consideration his possible roster.

There is no doubt some of his own recruiting blunders could come back to haunt him. He’s going to have to make up for it by being a better coach than he’s ever been before, and extolling his coaches to be better than they’ve ever been. It’s on his shoulders.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

You have to start somewhere. Bringing in a player with the work ethic and maturity of King was necessary for BOTH sides of the ball. I think the effects of this have already been seen. It’s up to the rising seniors to carry this on if King leaves.

Manny should get credit for recognizing this and doing what he needed to do to make it happen.

The team lost a lot of senior players from last year; frankly, some of them didnt lend much to improving the maturity level of the team. They may not have been problems but they didn’t do much to bring the younger guys along. It seems to me that the freshmen and 2nd year guys are smarter and have a better work ethic than a lot of the older guys did last season. They have certainly shown themselves to be tougher, and more determined to win. I hope we see this again when they come out of this COVID break. And the guys currently committed in the 2021 class will take this to another level.

It’s not an overnight fix but I feel like this team is moving in the right direction. Manny deserves credit for that.

 

[The Franchise]

Unfortunately that isn’t the consensus on this board. It’s either burn (enter any head coach here) at the stake, or give them a lifetime contract and a statue. It’s frowned upon to be in wait and see mode and not be fooled by one year outliers, see Richt.

Don't lose track of the fact this board has a large contingent of overly emotional mongoloids with no ability to perceive subtleties.

 

[swampcougar1]

Last year plus this year does not define how it will end with Manny. What happens next couple of years will be a lot more definitive. Was not a fan of him being hired. Still hope he does good though. If not with our administration track record the last two decades another bad hire will be made.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Don't lose track of the fact this board has a large contingent of overly emotional mongoloids with no ability to perceive subtleties.

Nailed it. Its too much to ask to be happy we’re winning but being concerned about the process and future.

 

[John77]

Manny has done an excellent job overall this year. We brought in a great QB, have a really solid recruiting class that will raise the talent level, and we got a good OC in the offseason. 2/3 are already paying dividends and the recruiting class is sure to down the road.

With that being said, he has a lot to prove still. I'm happy with how he's developed, but not sure he will be what we need him to be. At the very least he is looking like a serviceable "bridge" coach to an elite program.

Take my opinion with a grain of salt, as I was fully on board the fire Diaz train last year.

 

[Genghis Cane]

And a lil tougher schedule if you want to throw that in. without the virus we would've played a crappy michigan state and temple instead of clemson and whoever else was added

Don’t forget Wagner. Those were 3 guaranteed wins.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

. Yes we’re 7-1, but without King we aren’t even close to that.

"Breaking News: Team with top QB has a better record than a team with a bad QB. Tune in at 11 to hear more."

Without king blah blah blah... Such an empty, meaningless statement that is repeated ad nauseum here. Yes without any QBs, Miami wins 0 games. With Matocha or Perry, Miami wins 3 or 4 games. If Trevor Lawrence transferred here, Miami is 8-0.

This is such a uniquely bizarre "Miami fan" statement. In any other sport or with any other fan base, I can honestly say I've never seen anyone argue that if you take the team's star player away, their team isn't really that good. Probably because you'd be laughed at for even bringing it up. Without Mariano Rivera, the Yankees don't win multiple championships. Without Brady, New England doesn't win multiple Super Bowls. Without LeBron, the Lakers don't win the championship. If you brought up that silly argument to a fan of any of those teams, the response would be, "Ok.. and what's your point?"

 

[JD08]

So... teams need good players AND good coaches?

Why has nobody seen this before?

 

[Angry Ibis]

That’s it right there. I’ve been making that argument all season. Yes we’re 7-1, but without King we aren’t even close to that. Nobody is dismissing the fact that Manny brought him in. Some of us just want to see growth in other areas, like discipline, slow starts, etc. We have to make sure we aren’t reliant on King, so when he’s gone we arent back to 7-5.

We are aware.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

"Breaking News: Team with top QB has a better record than a team with a bad QB. Tune in at 11 to hear more."

Without king blah blah blah... Such an empty, meaningless statement that is repeated ad nauseum here. Yes without any QBs, Miami wins 0 games. With Matocha or Perry, Miami wins 3 or 4 games. If Trevor Lawrence transferred here, Miami is 8-0.

This is such a uniquely bizarre "Miami fan" statement. In any other sport or with any other fan base, I can honestly say I've never seen anyone argue that if you take the team's star player away, their team isn't really that good. Probably because you'd be laughed at for even bringing it up. Without Mariano Rivera, the Yankees don't win multiple championships. Without Brady, New England doesn't win multiple Super Bowls. Without LeBron, the Lakers don't win the championship. If you brought up that silly argument to a fan of any of those teams, the response would be, "Ok.. and what's your point?"

Manny didn’t recruit King. It’s not sustainable to keep getting portal QB’s to save our season. Without Lawrence Clemson has the same record bc DJ is a top 5 QB in America right now. Idk why people think comparing elite teams to us have anything to do with anything. We aren’t elite and haven’t been.

We’ve shown the same issues we saw last year and haven’t progressed the way I had hoped. We’re still undisciplined and bad on the O line. Terrible at LB and not great at DB. It would be one thing if King had helped us win games, instead of winning them and having to overcome shortcomings bc of the coaching staff. It really just took a heroic effort from King to beat a team Liberty held to 15 points.

 

[Angry Ibis]

So... teams need good players AND good coaches?

Why has nobody seen this before?

I have also been told that if all our best experienced talented players leave for the NFL we may not have the same experience and talent next year....

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Without Lawrence Clemson has the same record bc DJ is a top 5 QB in America right now

Ok chief. You just said Clemson is the same team with DJ as it is with Trevor Lawrence. I'm just going to repost that again as it really needs to marinate.

 

[Burricane]

Ok that still doesn’t prove or disprove my point. He’s the main reason we’ve won this year. We’re still waiting to see what happens after he is gone.

I’m not trying to prove it or disprove it. More so piggy backing off of what you said. Bringing in guys like that are to help change the culture of the locker room for the long term

 

[ddann]

Ok chief. You just said Clemson is the same team with DJ as it is with Trevor Lawrence. I'm just going to repost that again as it really needs to marinate.

The truth will come to light when Climpsin (most likely) plays Notre Lame again, with Lawrence this time, in the ACC title game.

 

[OldhamA]

Anyone who tries to tell you King isn't the main difference between this year and last is blowing smoke up your cagootz. Great on Mabo for bringing him in, but if King doesn't come back next year, then he better have an answer, or it's right back to shytville.

So, of course, Mabo gets credit for bringing in King and B Lashes, but this needs to be growth and sustainable, not just one good year with a transcendent QB.

King will only get a cup of coffee in the NFL. Transcendent isn't the word I'd use for him.

He's obviously made a huge difference though - and that's on the HC / OC. Good QB play covers up a lot of warts.

They have to develop TVD / convince King to come back / recruit another good QB in the next few years to continue the process.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Ok chief. You just said Clemson is the same team with DJ as it is with Trevor Lawrence. I'm just going to repost that again as it really needs to marinate.

I said their record would be the same this year, which is a fact.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I’m not trying to prove it or disprove it. More so piggy backing off of what you said. Bringing in guys like that are to help change the culture of the locker room for the long term

I hope that is the case. Time will tell.