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Barrow isn't perfect, but he's been hamstrung by the two worst evaluators of LB talent that I've ever seen.
 
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who did they evaluate bad? matthew thomas? alex figs was as steal? denzel? eddie johnson? jermanie grace? lets not get carried away.
 
GoldenShowers said:
Fzac75 said:
GoldenShowers said:
How many ****ig times does it need to be said that this program CANNOT hire a college coordinator. I don't give a **** what numbers he puts up. This program MUST hire a proven HC with experience. Yes Chad Morris' offense is nice. But we have NO IDEA if he can manage a team. And if you hire him and it turns out he can't manage, it's too late.

Just like you can't hire coaches who never worked under anyone elite yet do "impressive things at bad programs". Bc you have no way of knowing if they actually know football, or just recruited their way to a few more wins against bad teams a la Golden and Franklin.



I swear have we as fans learned NOTHING from the last 13 years?????
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So your historical perspective only goes back 13 years correct? Cus hiring a coach who only was ever an assistant like Schnelly was a bad move? Or hiring an existing coach from a subpar program like Oklahoma State at the time who could never beat the elite teams in Jimmy was a bad move? Or hiring Dennis Erickson from nowhere Washington State backfired? Or hiring a never before head coach assistant like Butch really sucked?

And of course how could I forget every great coach in football history was never an assistant and given a chance before, no no they all magically appeared and were great from day one.
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Jesus another one of these morons who think Schnelly JJ and Butch were small time coaches when they were hired.

First of all SCHNELLY WAS AN NFL HC. He was a Super Bowl champion OC from THE BFL. He was BOT A COLLEGE COORDINATOR.

Jimmy Johnson was a MAJOR CONFERENCE HEAD COACH, and before that was aMANOR PROGRAM DC UNDER A LEGEND.

Butch was a SUPERBOWL WINNING DC.

Dennis rode JJs wave and let the program fall apart, but was still a MAJOR CONFERENCE HC.


Now tell me how the OC or DC at school "x" has a resume even remotely close to our big three????

The only two first time coaches we had who had only been collegiate coordinators were Coker and Randy. Jesus Christ learn the goddam history of the team.
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Excuse me sonny? Yeah went with an old guy term just for the **** of it. Listen here simpleton, been a fins and canes ticket holder with my old man since I was 3 and he's had them since 1970. I am a huge proponent of historical facts.

You stated coordinators and hiring the likes such. OC or DC in any level still does not constitute an apparent skill at being a college head coach nor does it meet your criteria for such a thing.

Secondly, Schnellenberger was our OC with the Fins had a fine lineage of coaches he worked under, but was never a head coach before coming to Miami, he had the pedigree of learning under some of the finest, but was still an unknown as to what kind of head coach he would become because he hadn't been.

And don't use the major conference crap with Jimmy and Erickson. At the time Oklahoma State was **** poor team, and fact is even Jimmy himself stated that he was tired of getting his *** kicked by the elite teams there at the time, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Arkansas and Texas of the world. Again so while he managed to make OSU respectable, he still when going up against the elites, failed there and he himself stated that and was one of the reasons he came here to have an opportunity to get the TALENT to be able to do it. Erickson the same thing in regards to PAC, Washington State was a nobody and couldn't hang with the big boys. Major conference aside, the teams they coached at the time were the bottom feeders of those conferences, same resume and upbringing and outcomes when going against superior teams as Golden in Temple.

Those are facts. In fact go back and look at the reaction to the Jimmy Johnson hire, research it and see how unpopular it was at the time, now of course in came on the heels of Schnelly bad decision of leaving, so the circumstances and reaction was understandable, but it was still seriously questioned for the same exact reasons you believe in this myth of hiring "established" coaches.

If the guy has the resume and pedigree to take the next step, same as a coach like Al had at the time, or Brian Kelly had before going to ND, or any other coach who has earned their stripes by being a head coach at a lesser school and was successful there that the next logical step is move up and play with the big boys, I will not be naive enough to believe I know more than those in the know, and not support it.

And again, all of the great coaches in sports were assistants or sometimes failed the first time, or were coaches at lesser levels before hitting it big.

By your standard, Belichick would've never gotten a second chance after his disastrous failure in Cleveland or Carrol at USC after his joke of a job in New England. What the **** was the gayturds doing giving Urban Meyer a shot after doing his thing at Utah of all places right?
 
DMoney said:
Barrow isn't perfect, but he's been hamstrung by the two worst evaluators of LB talent that I've ever seen.
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I can't disagree , but my main point is he's not irreplaceable as a recruiter and he easily could be upgraded as a coach.
 
WE need to grab Butch, while the grabbing is good.

Proven, and wants to return to Miami.

Older, wiser, and can't be beaten when it comes to talent evaluation and recruiting.
 
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UMFarArcher said:
WE need to grab Butch, while the grabbing is good.

Proven, and wants to return to Miami.

Older, wiser, and can't be beaten when it comes to talent evaluation and recruiting.
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Butch would be the best that Miami can do. I honestly think that Miami can do no better than an assistant coach or coach at a small school. Kind of like the last 4 hires.
 
Fzac75 said:
GoldenShowers said:
Fzac75 said:
GoldenShowers said:
How many ****ig times does it need to be said that this program CANNOT hire a college coordinator. I don't give a **** what numbers he puts up. This program MUST hire a proven HC with experience. Yes Chad Morris' offense is nice. But we have NO IDEA if he can manage a team. And if you hire him and it turns out he can't manage, it's too late.

Just like you can't hire coaches who never worked under anyone elite yet do "impressive things at bad programs". Bc you have no way of knowing if they actually know football, or just recruited their way to a few more wins against bad teams a la Golden and Franklin.



I swear have we as fans learned NOTHING from the last 13 years?????
Click to expand...

So your historical perspective only goes back 13 years correct? Cus hiring a coach who only was ever an assistant like Schnelly was a bad move? Or hiring an existing coach from a subpar program like Oklahoma State at the time who could never beat the elite teams in Jimmy was a bad move? Or hiring Dennis Erickson from nowhere Washington State backfired? Or hiring a never before head coach assistant like Butch really sucked?

And of course how could I forget every great coach in football history was never an assistant and given a chance before, no no they all magically appeared and were great from day one.
Click to expand...

Jesus another one of these morons who think Schnelly JJ and Butch were small time coaches when they were hired.

First of all SCHNELLY WAS AN NFL HC. He was a Super Bowl champion OC from THE BFL. He was BOT A COLLEGE COORDINATOR.

Jimmy Johnson was a MAJOR CONFERENCE HEAD COACH, and before that was aMANOR PROGRAM DC UNDER A LEGEND.

Butch was a SUPERBOWL WINNING DC.

Dennis rode JJs wave and let the program fall apart, but was still a MAJOR CONFERENCE HC.


Now tell me how the OC or DC at school "x" has a resume even remotely close to our big three????

The only two first time coaches we had who had only been collegiate coordinators were Coker and Randy. Jesus Christ learn the goddam history of the team.
Click to expand...

Excuse me sonny? Yeah went with an old guy term just for the **** of it. Listen here simpleton, been a fins and canes ticket holder with my old man since I was 3 and he's had them since 1970. I am a huge proponent of historical facts.

You stated coordinators and hiring the likes such. OC or DC in any level still does not constitute an apparent skill at being a college head coach nor does it meet your criteria for such a thing.

Secondly, Schnellenberger was our OC with the Fins had a fine lineage of coaches he worked under, but was never a head coach before coming to Miami, he had the pedigree of learning under some of the finest, but was still an unknown as to what kind of head coach he would become because he hadn't been.

And don't use the major conference crap with Jimmy and Erickson. At the time Oklahoma State was **** poor team, and fact is even Jimmy himself stated that he was tired of getting his *** kicked by the elite teams there at the time, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Arkansas and Texas of the world. Again so while he managed to make OSU respectable, he still when going up against the elites, failed there and he himself stated that and was one of the reasons he came here to have an opportunity to get the TALENT to be able to do it. Erickson the same thing in regards to PAC, Washington State was a nobody and couldn't hang with the big boys. Major conference aside, the teams they coached at the time were the bottom feeders of those conferences, same resume and upbringing and outcomes when going against superior teams as Golden in Temple.

Those are facts. In fact go back and look at the reaction to the Jimmy Johnson hire, research it and see how unpopular it was at the time, now of course in came on the heels of Schnelly bad decision of leaving, so the circumstances and reaction was understandable, but it was still seriously questioned for the same exact reasons you believe in this myth of hiring "established" coaches.

If the guy has the resume and pedigree to take the next step, same as a coach like Al had at the time, or Brian Kelly had before going to ND, or any other coach who has earned their stripes by being a head coach at a lesser school and was successful there that the next logical step is move up and play with the big boys, I will not be naive enough to believe I know more than those in the know, and not support it.

And again, all of the great coaches in sports were assistants or sometimes failed the first time, or were coaches at lesser levels before hitting it big.

By your standard, Belichick would've never gotten a second chance after his disastrous failure in Cleveland or Carrol at USC after his joke of a job in New England. What the **** was the gayturds doing giving Urban Meyer a shot after doing his thing at Utah of all places right?
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Holy god u are retarded. First of all Schnelly was the HC of the Colts for a year in between OC stints with the Phins. Second of all Carroll, Belichick WERE NFL COACHES. They were WILDLY SUCCESFUL coordinators AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. I have no issue with the Canes hiring a Super Bowl winning coordinator. We did it twice before, with major success.

Second of all, nobody liked the JJ hire bc in 1984 nobody knew who he was, bc if u don't remember there was no 24/7 sports network or internet. Unless you were playing in a major bowl or were a rival coach nobody knew the coaches from across the 120 division one schools. JJ at that time was the equivalent of Charlie strong: elite DC under a legendary coach, cuts his teeth at lesser school, then jumps to big time. JJs resume at the time of his hiring TAKES A DUMP on James Franklin, Al Golden, Chad Morris, Kilff Kundtdhe-whatever, Kirby Smart.

And finally UF didn't take a chance on Meyer. He was the hottest coach in the country commanding a top 5 salary. Now THOSE GUYS were not who Miami hired. But don't get it twisted; we didn't "get lucky with unknowns" 4 times in a row. We hired ELITE football coaches.
 
bottom line. we all know what butch can turn tracy, deon, aqm, figs, kirby, grace, carter, burns, and the 2014 kids if they stayed into.
 
Big Sky Cane said:
DMoney said:
Barrow isn't perfect, but he's been hamstrung by the two worst evaluators of LB talent that I've ever seen.
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Maybe because he's the one evaluating/has input on said LB's.
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The DC and head coach make the final call. Shannon is the guy who preferred Cook to Beason and started Romeo Davis for four years. D'Onofrio is the guy who cooled on Burgess, slow-played Skai Moore and brought on Thurston Armbrister as his pet project. Barrow had to pound the table to convince D'Onofrio to take Perryman.

Barrow is not perfect and a lot of people have doubts on him. But the reason are linebackers have sucked is because Shannon and D'Onofrio are very bad at picking linebackers.
 
DMoney said:
Big Sky Cane said:
DMoney said:
Barrow isn't perfect, but he's been hamstrung by the two worst evaluators of LB talent that I've ever seen.
Click to expand...

Maybe because he's the one evaluating/has input on said LB's.
Click to expand...

The DC and head coach make the final call. Shannon is the guy who preferred Cook to Beason and started Romeo Davis for four years. D'Onofrio is the guy who cooled on Burgess, slow-played Skai Moore and brought on Thurston Armbrister as his pet project. Barrow had to pound the table to convince D'Onofrio to take Perryman.

Barrow is not perfect and a lot of people have doubts on him. But the reason are linebackers have sucked is because Shannon and D'Onofrio are very bad at picking linebackers.
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Right or wrong Burgess doesn't fit the mold of our defensive scheme. **** they were just talking about prototypical Bama linebackers during UA All-American practice and they are all monsters. Saban won't recruit small LB's. Same goes for Golden. Again....not defending it, but that's the reasoning.
 
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i love reporters cracking jokes about butch having interest. lets keep it real, they know what is going down if butch came back and they are scared too death.
 
Demetrius Jackson ‏@F5_Jackson 3h
It's 11pm and people still talking bout coach Golden might leave... Get a life and watch thus orange bowl .. Y'all lame ..
 
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