Notre Dame Hypocrisy

[grover]

I’ve seen it posted on here that the CFP committee agreed. I’ve seen that the conferences agreed. Any and all of this would be crazy. I hope there’s a backlash and it’s cut off.

Agree. But if they go to 16 and pull the automatic 5 conference winner rule, it doesn't really matter.

 

[AutoCANE]

**** Notre ****

 

[JHallCanes]

Who actually agreed with ND that if they are in top12 they get an automatic bid?

Was it the majority of the conference commissioners?

I thought that was all satire to be honest

It had better be

Join a conference or **** off you goofy *******

 

[RVACane]

Agree. But if they go to 16 and pull the automatic 5 conference winner rule, it doesn't really matter.

That’s true so it could end up irrelevant except they’ll make a deal bumping people out of the Top 16 though they’re usually ranked above that, whatever? They shouldn’t have any special deals. If they don’t join a conference they should be on their own and in based on merits of schedule and performance.

 

[CedarCane]

If you go into any of the Notre Dame spaces they have convinced themselves that by season's end they could have beaten the 2001 Miami Hurricanes and 2017 LSU Tigers back to back. Forget that in the month of November they were in a 1 score game with BC in the 4th quarter. Miami's victory over Texas A&M, a team they lost to, is just further proof that Notre Dame should have been there.

The level of delusion is bordering on psychosis with some of these people. It's absolutely wild to read.

Didn't 2017 LSU lose to Troy for their homecoming game?

 

[TheATLCane]

Not sure if that's been agreed to yet just proposed. I thought they were waiting until after this years championship to adjust the 2026 playoff rules.

I thought that was all satire to be honest

It had better be

Join a conference or **** off you goofy *******

I hope you both are right. Totally agree. But most of us remember the "ND BCS Rule". Somehow some knuckleheads thought that was the right move.

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The "Notre Dame Rule" in the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) granted the independent Fighting Irish an automatic BCS bowl bid if they finished in the Top 8 of the final BCS standings, a special privilege not extended to other independents, recognizing their national stature, unlike the standard AQ conference champions who were guaranteed spots. This ensured their regular inclusion in the prestigious system, even without conference affiliation, allowing them access to lucrative bowls and national title contention without being locked into conference championship games.

 

[caneingville]

I’ve seen it posted on here that the CFP committee agreed. I’ve seen that the conferences agreed. Any and all of this would be crazy. I hope there’s a backlash and it’s cut off.

Not the CFP Committee - the CFP Management Committee, which is huge distinction, and one that the media doesn't really talk about much.

I explained it in an earlier post in the Irish Tears thread, which I am posting below. It is part of the negotiations the SEC/Big 10 are pushing for with the 4+4+2+2+1 v. other potential postseason models, so no, nothing is final yet. That's why it is simply contained in an MOU. MOUs are essentially precontracts to the actual contracts. Sometimes they are binding (if they have all the essential and legally-binding parts of a contract), but more often than, they are not (because they are missing one or more of those parts).

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Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over the whole thing. So everyone on the CFP MC signed an MOU that agreed to what they wanted.

Sources: SEC, Big Ten building momentum to further expand College Football Playoff to 14 or 16 teams

The conferences are pushing to assign multiple automatic qualifiers per league, with as many as four each for themselves. In short, a plethora of changes are on the table.

sports.yahoo.com

The ideas for what the SEC/B10 wants are contained within that MOU. As is ND's guarantee to get into the playoff as long as they are ranked within the Top 14. It's basically a quid pro quo, and the ACC and Big 12 are basically watching everything from the sidelines.

Now, back to your initial question of MOU's being legally enforceable...sometimes they are. It depends on whether or not they have the requirements of a valid and enforceable contract - 1) offer, 2) acceptance, and 3) consideration. So if this MOU has those three things, a court could find that this MOU is indeed a valid and legally enforceable contract. But most of the times, MOUs are not, because they don't have consideration (usually money exchange).

Hope that clears it up a bit.

Tears Post in thread 'Irish Tears'

Dec 7, 2025

The CFP can make its own decisions without getting conference approval as to what schools or conferences get favorable standing? Wtf is going on here?

If so, Phillips needs to get his own MOU ready for the ACC's benefit.

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over...

• caneingville

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[Jonnyblaze]

Fluck Norte Dame and everyone affiliated with them.

 

[Canes Legacy]

Have you seen their schedule, it’s us and BYU. They’ll be strolling into the playoffs.

 

[CaneFan79]

Not the CFP Committee - the CFP Management Committee, which is huge distinction, and one that the media doesn't really talk about much.

I explained it in an earlier post in the Irish Tears thread, which I am posting below. It is part of the negotiations the SEC/Big 10 are pushing for with the 4+4+2+2+1 v. other potential postseason models, so no, nothing is final yet. That's why it is simply contained in an MOU. MOUs are essentially precontracts to the actual contracts. Sometimes they are binding (if they have all the essential and legally-binding parts of a contract), but more often than, they are not (because they are missing one or more of those parts).

- -

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over the whole thing. So everyone on the CFP MC signed an MOU that agreed to what they wanted.

Sources: SEC, Big Ten building momentum to further expand College Football Playoff to 14 or 16 teams

The conferences are pushing to assign multiple automatic qualifiers per league, with as many as four each for themselves. In short, a plethora of changes are on the table.

sports.yahoo.com

The ideas for what the SEC/B10 wants are contained within that MOU. As is ND's guarantee to get into the playoff as long as they are ranked within the Top 14. It's basically a quid pro quo, and the ACC and Big 12 are basically watching everything from the sidelines.

Now, back to your initial question of MOU's being legally enforceable...sometimes they are. It depends on whether or not they have the requirements of a valid and enforceable contract - 1) offer, 2) acceptance, and 3) consideration. So if this MOU has those three things, a court could find that this MOU is indeed a valid and legally enforceable contract. But most of the times, MOUs are not, because they don't have consideration (usually money exchange).

Hope that clears it up a bit.

Tears Post in thread 'Irish Tears'

Dec 7, 2025

The CFP can make its own decisions without getting conference approval as to what schools or conferences get favorable standing? Wtf is going on here?

If so, Phillips needs to get his own MOU ready for the ACC's benefit.

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over...

• caneingville

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All **** will break lose if its Miami vs. TTU

 

[simplycanes]

They have TD Jesus, we have Abella Danger. Go Canes!

 

[caneingville]

All **** will break lose if its Miami vs. TTU

Yup.

But think about the amount of power ND has in that CFP MC. ND has the same amount of power as a whole conference does in that negotiation by virtue of being independent. Its AD is in there equal to all the conferences, each of whom is representing ALL of its member schools.

As much as everyone hates ND for being independent, they really have no idea unless they truly understand how the CFP MC works.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

USC didn’t drop ND. USC wanted to play them early in the year before conference play starts and ND said no.

 

[hurricaneman]

I said in other threads that Miami should schedule Notre Dame as their rivalry game during rivalry week every year.

Notre Dame has been beyond childish the last few weeks. I mean, the stuff I've seen from them is absolutely wild. But let's not pretend that a late season matchup with Notre Dame wouldn't benefit Miami in a way that there's no comparable alternative.

I also don't know our standing with trying to join the BIG10 but I imagine this would help.

 

[RVACane]

Not the CFP Committee - the CFP Management Committee, which is huge distinction, and one that the media doesn't really talk about much.

I explained it in an earlier post in the Irish Tears thread, which I am posting below. It is part of the negotiations the SEC/Big 10 are pushing for with the 4+4+2+2+1 v. other potential postseason models, so no, nothing is final yet. That's why it is simply contained in an MOU. MOUs are essentially precontracts to the actual contracts. Sometimes they are binding (if they have all the essential and legally-binding parts of a contract), but more often than, they are not (because they are missing one or more of those parts).

- -

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over the whole thing. So everyone on the CFP MC signed an MOU that agreed to what they wanted.

Sources: SEC, Big Ten building momentum to further expand College Football Playoff to 14 or 16 teams

The conferences are pushing to assign multiple automatic qualifiers per league, with as many as four each for themselves. In short, a plethora of changes are on the table.

sports.yahoo.com

The ideas for what the SEC/B10 wants are contained within that MOU. As is ND's guarantee to get into the playoff as long as they are ranked within the Top 14. It's basically a quid pro quo, and the ACC and Big 12 are basically watching everything from the sidelines.

Now, back to your initial question of MOU's being legally enforceable...sometimes they are. It depends on whether or not they have the requirements of a valid and enforceable contract - 1) offer, 2) acceptance, and 3) consideration. So if this MOU has those three things, a court could find that this MOU is indeed a valid and legally enforceable contract. But most of the times, MOUs are not, because they don't have consideration (usually money exchange).

Hope that clears it up a bit.

Tears Post in thread 'Irish Tears'

Dec 7, 2025

The CFP can make its own decisions without getting conference approval as to what schools or conferences get favorable standing? Wtf is going on here?

If so, Phillips needs to get his own MOU ready for the ACC's benefit.

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over...

• caneingville

• 

Great explanations. I get that the MOU and contract elements explanations are for people who don’t work with agreements like this which I do though not sports related.

So, if I understand correctly, there’s a CFP Committee - they rank and pick the participants. And there’s a CFP Management Committee - they make the administrative decisions???

And aren’t they all still from the conferences so it’s still the same entities, just different individuals representing those conference entities???

 

[RVACane]

USC didn’t drop ND. USC wanted to play them early in the year before conference play starts and ND said no.

So they dropped each other. USC will play ND if it’s early. ND will play USC if it’s late. Neither agreed so they each walked.

 

[caneingville]

Great explanations. I get that the MOU and contract elements explanations are for people who don’t work with agreements like this which I do though not sports related.

So, if I understand correctly, there’s a CFP Committee - they rank and pick the participants. And there’s a CFP Management Committee - they make the administrative decisions???

And aren’t they all still from the conferences so it’s still the same entities, just different individuals representing those conference entities???

You got it. And yes, the MOU explanations were for the greater audience.

And there is also a CFP Board of Managers too.

Here's how it all works.

The CFP is organized under the a company called the CFP Administration, LLC, which manages the operations of the CFP. All 10 conferences and ND are members of the LLC.

There is a CFP Board of Managers, which governs the CFP's business, property, and affairs, and also appoints and removes CFP officers. The CFP BM is made up of 11 university presidents and chancellors, 10 reps from each conference and ND's president. They also establish the criteria for, select, and approve the members of the CFP Selection Committee.

Next is the CFP Management Committee, and their job is to manage the day-to-day operations of the CFP. The CFP MC is made up of the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

Lastly, there are two company officers, an Executive President (company president) and COO (secretary), that serve at the direction of the CFP BM, also help with the day-to-day operations. They are not affiliated with any conference or university.

There is also a CFP Foundation, which is the nonprofit arm of the LLC, and serves for community engagement.

 

[CaneThang2020]

At this point, as far as the 2026-2027 playoff rules are concerned, if Notre Dame ranks top 12, doesn’t matter who they played. They think they’re smart because they play a partial ACC schedule, sprinkled with a couple bottom feeding B10 teams and G5 teams….and to the CFP committee that was enough to guarantee a playoff spot if they get the top 12 finish.

 

[TheATLCane]

Not the CFP Committee - the CFP Management Committee, which is huge distinction, and one that the media doesn't really talk about much.

I explained it in an earlier post in the Irish Tears thread, which I am posting below. It is part of the negotiations the SEC/Big 10 are pushing for with the 4+4+2+2+1 v. other potential postseason models, so no, nothing is final yet. That's why it is simply contained in an MOU. MOUs are essentially precontracts to the actual contracts. Sometimes they are binding (if they have all the essential and legally-binding parts of a contract), but more often than, they are not (because they are missing one or more of those parts).

- -

Let me back up.

The CFP is governed by the CFP Management Committee, which includes the 10 conference commissioners and ND's AD.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2019/4/3/governance.aspx

The SEC and Big 10, in the spring, threatened to split and create their own postseason if they weren't given control and allowed to run roughshod over the whole thing. So everyone on the CFP MC signed an MOU that agreed to what they wanted.

Sources: SEC, Big Ten building momentum to further expand College Football Playoff to 14 or 16 teams

The conferences are pushing to assign multiple automatic qualifiers per league, with as many as four each for themselves. In short, a plethora of changes are on the table.

sports.yahoo.com

The ideas for what the SEC/B10 wants are contained within that MOU. As is ND's guarantee to get into the playoff as long as they are ranked within the Top 14. It's basically a quid pro quo, and the ACC and Big 12 are basically watching everything from the sidelines.

Now, back to your initial question of MOU's being legally enforceable...sometimes they are. It depends on whether or not they have the requirements of a valid and enforceable contract - 1) offer, 2) acceptance, and 3) consideration. So if this MOU has those three things, a court could find that this MOU is indeed a valid and legally enforceable contract. But most of the times, MOUs are not, because they don't have consideration (usually money exchange).

Hope that clears it up a bit.

I missed your original post. Super informative

Expanding to 14 or 16 is not the worst idea in my view. The automatic qualifier ratio per conference is the issue (along with ND's clause)

If this is the main proposal: The 14 or 16-team model - 4 AQs each to B1G/SEC; 2 to ACC/B12; 1 G5; 1 or 3 at-large. There has to be some minimal qualification threshold on all AQs. Assuming a certain number are worthy from each conference opens the door to having too many blowout games.

I also saw there still is a representative from the Pac12 in the CFP Management Committee. That's either an error or really weird. Would bring total number to 10 if thats an error

NIL + xfer portal is the biggest threat to the SEC "the self proclaimed king of the sport"

 

[caneingville]

I missed your original post. Super informative

Expanding to 14 or 16 is not the worst idea in my view. The automatic qualifier ratio per conference is the issue (along with ND's clause)

If this is the main proposal: The 14 or 16-team model - 4 AQs each to B1G/SEC; 2 to ACC/B12; 1 G5; 1 or 3 at-large. There has to be some minimal qualification threshold on all AQs. Assuming a certain number are worthy from each conference opens the door to having too many blowout games.

I also saw there still is a representative from the Pac12 in the CFP Management Committee. That's either an error or really weird. Would bring total number to 10 if thats an error

NIL + xfer portal is the biggest threat to the SEC "the self proclaimed king of the sport"

Agree completely about the ND issue. If you read my other post above regarding the CFP governance, you truly understand how much power ND has by being independent. They essentially hold as much negotiating power as an entire conference, and as these conferences get bigger and bigger, it becomes more and more unfair to the rest of us.

Re: the Pac 12, they are returning in 2026 after merging with the schools from the MWC, WCC, and SunBelt.