Not believing the hype

[weownfsu]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

Is that any worse than saying we should win 11 games and then ****ing when the team performs to the appropriate level?

This team won 11 games?

 

[weownfsu]

Care to refute anything above?

No, because (1) no one is reading that sht, and (2) you wouldn't acknowledge anything if someone refuted it anyway.

Anything in there about punting from the two?

 

[ghost2]

In other news, Reynold's Wrap stock just shot through the roof due to online shenanigans.

Yes, have some.

 

[The Franchise]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

We've got UM fans in here saying they'd be giddy with 8-4 feeling juiced up going into 2015. Never thought I'd see the day.

 

[DaU83]

For those of you thinking we beat a great team, here's what one VPI poster thinks of his Hokies:

[h=1]What we are putting on the field is an absolute embarrasement[/h]
I really dont understand how it has come to this. Brewer cannot even complete a pass over 5 yards to WIDE OPEN receivers. **** he cant hit the broad side of a barn at this point. ive never seen anyone look this inept before, playing for a 1A team.

Frank, out of all people, has totally abandoned the run in most of our games. even the announcers called us out in the second half saying we only attempted 6 runs in the first half, how can we expect to get the running game going? what happens when he (or someone) fired up the OL at halftime? we actually ran the ball in the second half (fumbles aside, we did run the ball).

We have GREAT skill players yet they have no chance to shine because they dont get the ball consistently. Overthrowing Bucky is absolutely laughable, the dude is like 6'-5".

I have no clue what the solution is, but Brewer is not part of it. Why not try Motley at this point and/or Leal? they cant do any worse that Brewer.

A few players have caused this team to come full circle back to 1987 when Beamer first took over, its not the whole team, but the whole team has given up. no heart.

its really sad to see.

I haven't seen a single person say we beat a great team. Not one.

 

[DaU83]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

Is that any worse than saying we should win 11 games and then ****ing when the team performs to the appropriate level?

Let's address the bold first:

We're not at the appropriate level, that is the issue.

1. 15-13 ACC

2. 0-3 versus FSU

3. 0 ACC Coastal Champs

4. Retains everyone on staff and makes no changes. Same result occurs in year 4.

So cut the with appropriate level BS, look at the above. Last year sealed the deal (along with the off-season). After the FSU game, we allowed 90 points to VT and Duke. With everything to play for, we failed miserably. Last year, in the middle of year 3, we still can't fix the issues. That was the end. Then we ended the season on a high note, getting raped by UL. End result, missed the opportunity to win the coastal and finished 5-3 AGAIN in the ACC.

Now for the underlined part.

Let's take the quote from the coaches opening press conference

The bar has been set and that bar is not going to move at the University of Miami. The thing I’ve said is, Don’t move the bar. Let us chase it, but don’t bring the bar down. Keep it where it is.

Like we said and will continue to say. He is failing to move us forward. He is sticking to the same staff and not improving. He is not moving us forward.

1. Exceeding low expectations or improving from a dismal performance doesn't mean much. So everyone can stop with we improved against Duke and VT because even if we beat them this year, we replaced them with performances like GT and UL. Replacing is not improvement, it is just more of the same. This year it is GT and UL.

2. Where is the actual improvement?

2011: 3-5 (L to FSU)
2012: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2013: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2014: 2-2 (Yet to be determined)

3. The biggest problem is Golden's commitment to a failed scheme and staff. He doesn't make changes. Everyone makes changes (for better or worse) but he sticks to the same staff. How are we going to improve if he sticks to the same system and staff? We already have more talent than 95% of our opponents. You don't think VT and Duke would kill for most of these kids?

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

 

[weownfsu]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

Is that any worse than saying we should win 11 games and then ****ing when the team performs to the appropriate level?

Let's address the bold first:

We're not at the appropriate level, that is the issue.

1. 15-13 ACC

2. 0-3 versus FSU

3. 0 ACC Coastal Champs

4. Retains everyone on staff and makes no changes. Same result occurs in year 4.

So cut the with appropriate level BS, look at the above. Last year sealed the deal (along with the off-season). After the FSU game, we allowed 90 points to VT and Duke. With everything to play for, we failed miserably. Last year, in the middle of year 3, we still can't fix the issues. That was the end. Then we ended the season on a high note, getting raped by UL. End result, missed the opportunity to win the coastal and finished 5-3 AGAIN in the ACC.

Now for the underlined part.

Let's take the quote from the coaches opening press conference

The bar has been set and that bar is not going to move at the University of Miami. The thing I’ve said is, Don’t move the bar. Let us chase it, but don’t bring the bar down. Keep it where it is.

Like we said and will continue to say. He is failing to move us forward. He is sticking to the same staff and not improving. He is not moving us forward.

1. Exceeding low expectations or improving from a dismal performance doesn't mean much. So everyone can stop with we improved against Duke and VT because even if we beat them this year, we replaced them with performances like GT and UL. Replacing is not improvement, it is just more of the same. This year it is GT and UL.

2. Where is the actual improvement?

2011: 3-5 (L to FSU)
2012: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2013: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2014: 2-2 (Yet to be determined)

3. The biggest problem is Golden's commitment to a failed scheme and staff. He doesn't make changes. Everyone makes changes (for better or worse) but he sticks to the same staff. How are we going to improve if he sticks to the same system and staff? We already have more talent than 95% of our opponents. You don't think VT and Duke would kill for most of these kids?

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

The fact that you don't get how dumb this statement is, is disturbing. This is the Goldenites mindset.

 

[Consigliere]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

 

[Consigliere]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

Is that any worse than saying we should win 11 games and then ****ing when the team performs to the appropriate level?

Let's address the bold first:

We're not at the appropriate level, that is the issue.

1. 15-13 ACC

2. 0-3 versus FSU

3. 0 ACC Coastal Champs

4. Retains everyone on staff and makes no changes. Same result occurs in year 4.

So cut the with appropriate level BS, look at the above. Last year sealed the deal (along with the off-season). After the FSU game, we allowed 90 points to VT and Duke. With everything to play for, we failed miserably. Last year, in the middle of year 3, we still can't fix the issues. That was the end. Then we ended the season on a high note, getting raped by UL. End result, missed the opportunity to win the coastal and finished 5-3 AGAIN in the ACC.

Now for the underlined part.

Let's take the quote from the coaches opening press conference

The bar has been set and that bar is not going to move at the University of Miami. The thing I’ve said is, Don’t move the bar. Let us chase it, but don’t bring the bar down. Keep it where it is.

Like we said and will continue to say. He is failing to move us forward. He is sticking to the same staff and not improving. He is not moving us forward.

1. Exceeding low expectations or improving from a dismal performance doesn't mean much. So everyone can stop with we improved against Duke and VT because even if we beat them this year, we replaced them with performances like GT and UL. Replacing is not improvement, it is just more of the same. This year it is GT and UL.

2. Where is the actual improvement?

2011: 3-5 (L to FSU)
2012: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2013: 5-3 (L to FSU)
2014: 2-2 (Yet to be determined)

3. The biggest problem is Golden's commitment to a failed scheme and staff. He doesn't make changes. Everyone makes changes (for better or worse) but he sticks to the same staff. How are we going to improve if he sticks to the same system and staff? We already have more talent than 95% of our opponents. You don't think VT and Duke would kill for most of these kids?

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

The fact that you don't get how dumb this statement is, is disturbing. This is the Goldenites mindset.

Do you want to join the tin foil club? You can be the keymaster?

 

[weownfsu]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

He really doesn't understand the concept. In these nutjobs' minds, it's a-okay to go 6-6 as long as everybody expects you to go 6-6, because you suck.

 

[Consigliere]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

He really doesn't understand the concept. In these nutjobs' minds, it's a-okay to go 6-6 as long as everybody expects you to go 6-6, because you suck.

Tin foil prevents the oxygen and logic from getting to the brain.

 

[ghost2]

Many DTs and CBs knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the D'Nofrio that day, I can tell you.

 

[DaU83]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

Your facts have nothing to do with the fact that most unbiased people picked this as 7 to 9 win team with a Sr. QB supposedly leading the way and seemingly we're playing to that expectation level, even with a true freshman qb.

 

[DaU83]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

That's ludicrous. So if someone evaluates a team and a schedule and says, that's a 7 to 9 win team, then we should be mad when we dont win 10 to 12 games? That's retarded. You'd have a point if it was just people here saying we should win 5 -7 games, so that they can be like "look how good we are, we exceeded expectations" ... that's not the case. Professionals who are completely unbiased, as in they don't care about us, golden etc... said based on our talent and schedule ( with a sr. Qb) that a good season for this team, this year, would fall betweem 7 and 9 wins. That's not just some number "goldenites" made up for the sake of "meeting expectations".

 

[theibisrules]

Same crappy team that smoked ohio st at the horseshoe... Dominating performance by the team

see that is why I despise you slurpers, this is not the same team. The RB's are injured and the o-line is patchwork. Defensively they are missing several key figures.

 

[Consigliere]

Not going to read all that nonsense. Most unbiased observers had this as a 7 to 9 win team with ryan williams at the helm. So if you say we should win 11 and dont perform to that it's just as bad as pretending that people who had expectations that are reasonable are "lowering expectations".

aka the facts are there and I am going to play the illiterate card.

The reasons the expectations are low is because they (unbiased opinions) don't think this staff can exceed those low bars. Do you understand the concept?

It is not simply an accomplishment to exceed low expectations.

Your facts have nothing to do with the fact that most unbiased people picked this as 7 to 9 win team with a Sr. QB supposedly leading the way and seemingly we're playing to that expectation level, even with a true freshman qb.

We're going in circles. The reason the exceptions are low is because of the staff and what they have done.

Side Note: A senior QB who has hardly played in 5 years. Hey didn't we get another Senior QB in Jake Heaps?

 

[AsylumGodfather]

Low expectations + Meet those expectations = Everything is good

We've got UM fans in here saying they'd be giddy with 8-4 feeling juiced up going into 2015. Never thought I'd see the day.

it's really ******* pathetic that mediocrity like that is accepted now a days

 

[ajkreider]

I don't understand what this discussion is supposed to be about. This team is obviously better than some on this board have said. It's not the worst defense in football. We're not a bad team. We beat bad teams, handily. We lose to mediocre-to-good teams when we don't play well, we beat them when we do. We're not going to beat great teams. This makes us a mediocre-to-good team.

Frankly, I'll take that with a true freshman at QB, and an improving D. Doesn't make me especially happy. It's not something to be satisfied with going forward. It's not where the U should be. But the future looks better than the recent past.

(As an aside, for those that still think the D end's up statistically where it did last year - 90th - we'd have to average giving up 650 yards of offense in the final four games.)

 

[Cane Dynasty]

We did what we were supposed to do. It's been a long time since that happened.

 

[Consigliere]

That's ludicrous. So if someone evaluates a team and a schedule and says, that's a 7 to 9 win team, then we should be mad when we dont win 10 to 12 games? That's retarded. You'd have a point if it was just people here saying we should win 5 -7 games, so that they can be like "look how good we are, we exceeded expectations" ... that's not the case. Professionals who are completely unbiased, as in they don't care about us, golden etc... said based on our talent and schedule ( with a sr. Qb) that a good season for this team, this year, would fall betweem 7 and 9 wins. That's not just some number "goldenites" made up for the sake of "meeting expectations".

It's not retarded, it makes perfect sense. Let's start from the beginning and explain expectations in general (not UM related).

Stay with me please:

A. Quick Review

Expectation: a strong belief that something will happen or be the case in the future.

How do we decide expectations? Trend Analysis.

Trend Analysis: the practice of collecting information and attempting to spot a pattern, or trend, in the information.

So the way people make expectations is to study the information in the past in order to forecast the future.

B. Expectations and Trend Analysis in predicting futures (i.e. over/under wins)

What "experts" do is they study the past (of a team) and attempt to forecast the amount of wins? They will look at MOSTLY the coach and the team and see how they performed in the recent past in order to set the bar for the future. Now when a team has done poorly in the past and little has changed, the "experts" will predict similar results in the future. This is how it works.

-------------------------------------------- (BACK TO UM)
C. 7-9 Wins versus 10-12 Wins

The reason experts predict 7-9 wins is based on the following:

1. 13-11 in the ACC (over 3 seasons),
2. 0 Coastal Championships,
3. 0-3 Against FSU, and
4. 1 Win versus a team that finished with 8 or more wins (GT 2011)

For the last 3 years we averaged 3.6 Ls in the ACC. Our best win (in terms of a final record stand point) was in 2011 against GT. They had 8 wins. Together this shows experts that we have trouble beating the humps in our conference. In addition, we have trouble beating teams that are decent. The ACC schedule doesn't change that much from year to year.

Now even if we get 7-9 wins, this isn't an accomplishment. It means NOTHING. It means that we've likely repeated a similar result. The reason we will keep repeating this result is because this staff can only take us so far. Simply hitting these expectations MEANS NOTHING because they're based on our trends in the past.

So you and all the Pro-Golden guys can be proud that we matched these expectations. That is better than winning the Conference, Beating FSU, Going to BCS Games, Winning 10+ Wins and NCs. That is all that matters is meeting LOW expectations. How about a shred of accountability and standards?