Naw they are worse. Golden's teams had talent. The talent was just misused and wasted, but it was there. Many of our players from Golden's teams went on to the NFL. FSU seems to be lacking talent at the moment along with all their other problems.
You should see Butchs record vs fsu and vt.Bowden went 14-21 against Miami. They built a statue and have some weird stained glass window thing of a coach who went 14-21 against his rival. Also, most of those 14 wins were due to probation. We rarely lost to him when good.
The Clemson game that lost him his job begs to differ.Way worst...we took some bad bad losses during Goldens era...but really it was to the top teams we faced.
And Goldens teams at least started the games.
This FSU team quits before they even show up.
That coaching ***I’ve never seen a group of highly ranked guys look as terrible as their defensive backs. Travis jay, akeem dent, Samuel Brendan gant. They’re all *** and all guys we wanted. Crazy
Whether you like Butch or not, this is a loaded assessment. Butch took over a team in deep trouble and on probation. He turned the program into a juggernaught and would have beat FSU and VT many times after 2000 had he stayed.You should see Butchs record vs fsu and vt.
Or his record against East CarolinaYou should see Butchs record vs fsu and vt.
6 of those 14 wins were in a stretch from 93-99 when they won 6 of 7 games against Miami.Bowden went 14-21 against Miami. They built a statue and have some weird stained glass window thing of a coach who went 14-21 against his rival. Also, most of those 14 wins were due to probation. We rarely lost to him when good.
He didnt get a raise because he couldnt beat his rivals so he went sniveling to the browns. Woulda coulda didnt.Whether you like Butch or not, this is a loaded assessment. Butch took over a team in deep trouble and on probation. He turned the program into a juggernaught and would have beat FSU and VT many times after 2000 had he stayed.
He didnt get a raise because he couldnt beat his rivals so he went sniveling to the browns. Woulda coulda didnt.
Howd that turn out for him?He actually got a sizeable raise.
He did have an issue with the buyout, though.
Golden’s core competency was losing to teams w lesser talent. He did lose to teams with more talent, too.... but that’s to be expected.The Clemson game that lost him his job begs to differ.
he didn't lose that game, Clemson stole his soul.Golden’s core competency was losing to teams w lesser talent. He did lose to teams with more talent, too.... but that’s to be expected.
They about got mine too.he didn't lose that game, Clemson stole his soul.
That 89 team they beat played with a true freshman backup QB who threw 5 picks or something that game.UM fans like Bowden because he was our punching bag. Almost every time we played him with major implications, we won. Most of his wins against UM came in the mid-late 90’s when UM was on probation and nowhere near a title contender. The one time they won a big game against Miami was in 89 and it didn’t even matter because Miami won the national championship anyway. We owned them in the 2000’s even when our own team was slowly slipping into mediocrity, we could still beat up on ole Bobby. We love him and hate Jimbo because Jimbo won his first seven games against UM. That said, I hope they keep the current guy around for a decade.
Not Gino's best moment.That 89 team then beat played with a true freshman backup QB who threw 5 picks or something that game.