**** No To The Spread/Read Option

[Cane Dynasty]

There isn't an offense in the NFL that doesn't run some spread concepts. I don't even watch the NFL anymore and I know that just from seeing highlights.

 

[RiDLer80]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

No, no, no.

OP would rather we play Stan Dobard, Njoku and Walter Tucker at fullback over a 3 WR set of Coley, Waters and Scott.

 

[Canezum5]

Oregon is the farthest thing from finesse, especially under Kelly they weren't. Their line is consistently one of the net and most physical in the country. Just because they run a zone blocking scheme and utilize mobile QB doesn't make them a finesse team.

Where do people get tho shid? Oregons line sux and always has. You can't name two of their lineman drafted In the last five years. Totally finesse. And they get DOMINATED any time they play a team with a good D tackle or Sde. Fairley single handedly dominated their line in auburns ship. Boss took over in osu's. Oregon has never had a physical o line. Just leaner and quicker. The gimmick of the scheme with good skill position players is where the success lies. Mostly finesse.

Ohio w may spread you out.... But its still a power run game. Their the only team in college football who run a successful power run game from a spread attack. The only team.

And bama runs a 3-4. So running on them doesn't equate to power, just like we see with donofrio, you spread those big *** linebackers out and you read option the team to death.

You see what happens when you line up in pro set again bama and try to run.... You get fournette... 9 carries for 9 yards. No one is physically running through bama. Gotta spread them out or use finesse.

LMAO.

Oregon has consistently had one of the best lines in the country. Their zone blocking schemes are extremely complex and they have pumped out a ton of OL recently. What the **** are you talking about? You really think a team that consistently leads the nation in rushing is not complete with stellar OL? All these guys are recent stud OL who now ball in the NFL. They had 2 freaking first team AA last year. You clearly know nothing about football. Running a spread does not mean you run a weak offense.

Jake Fisher
Max Unger
Geoff Schwartz
Kyle Long
Hroniss Grasu

You have GOT to be kidding me with this list. Its a joke. Oregon nor the west coast is known for churning out lineman. They don't get any lineman worth noting and that list is pedestrian at best.

Soon as they play a physical east coast team they get smashed up front. Its the reason they haven won a ship the two times weve seen them there... cuz their oline sux. Youre delusional..

refrain from posting.

 

[sebastian91]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

 

[UMAlum21]

Oregon is the farthest thing from finesse, especially under Kelly they weren't. Their line is consistently one of the net and most physical in the country. Just because they run a zone blocking scheme and utilize mobile QB doesn't make them a finesse team.

Where do people get tho shid? Oregons line sux and always has. You can't name two of their lineman drafted In the last five years. Totally finesse. And they get DOMINATED any time they play a team with a good D tackle or Sde. Fairley single handedly dominated their line in auburns ship. Boss took over in osu's. Oregon has never had a physical o line. Just leaner and quicker. The gimmick of the scheme with good skill position players is where the success lies. Mostly finesse.

Ohio w may spread you out.... But its still a power run game. Their the only team in college football who run a successful power run game from a spread attack. The only team.

And bama runs a 3-4. So running on them doesn't equate to power, just like we see with donofrio, you spread those big *** linebackers out and you read option the team to death.

You see what happens when you line up in pro set again bama and try to run.... You get fournette... 9 carries for 9 yards. No one is physically running through bama. Gotta spread them out or use finesse.

LMAO.

Oregon has consistently had one of the best lines in the country. Their zone blocking schemes are extremely complex and they have pumped out a ton of OL recently. What the **** are you talking about? You really think a team that consistently leads the nation in rushing is not complete with stellar OL? All these guys are recent stud OL who now ball in the NFL. They had 2 freaking first team AA last year. You clearly know nothing about football. Running a spread does not mean you run a weak offense.

Jake Fisher
Max Unger
Geoff Schwartz
Kyle Long
Hroniss Grasu

You have GOT to be kidding me with this list. Its a joke. Oregon nor the west coast is known for churning out lineman. They don't get any lineman worth noting and that list is pedestrian at best.

Soon as they play a physical east coast team they get smashed up front. Its the reason they haven won a ship the two times weve seen them there... cuz their oline sux. Youre delusional..

refrain from posting.

Nothing says getting smashed up front like what they did to FSU last year. Michigan State is supposedly this big bad physical team and Oregon smashed them last year.

You are the clueless one.

 

[deleted3746]

I was a little constipated this morning so I re-read the great potato logic of Sonny Wrong...the laughter generated helped me drop a couple kids off at the pool...thanks Sonny you funny fugg.

 

[Coach Macho]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

Bullsh!t, they wanna score points and win games.

You think they'd be happier sitting on the bench? Cause that where they'd be if we ran a Pro-Style with 2 WR sets.

 

[deleted3746]

OP, you still look ridiculous b.

 

[duke4heisman]

Butch's defense will neutralize these gimmick offenses

 

[sebastian91]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

Bullsh!t, they wanna score points and win games.

You think they'd be happier sitting on the bench? Cause that where they'd be if we ran a Pro-Style with 2 WR sets.

Right, because only 2 WR's can play on a pro-set team. The rest of them just sit on the bench the whole time and watch those 2 play the whole game. Put 4 of them on the field at the same time in a spread...fine. But they aren't going to be any happier blocking every play while getting their 2 or 3 catches per game.

 

[dookie blaylock]

OP, you still look ridiculous b.

op claims that he's a former player. he's also a big fan of mike leach and wants him for head coach if we don't get butch. guess those repeated concussions really **** do with your head.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

I once had an ingrown pubic hair. That sucker grew up to **** near be one of the family before he ruptured.

It was a bloody, puss-filled mess. I'm glad that's over with.

Now I can go back to my ballroom dancing classes.

 

[58straight]

Oregon is the farthest thing from finesse, especially under Kelly they weren't. Their line is consistently one of the net and most physical in the country. Just because they run a zone blocking scheme and utilize mobile QB doesn't make them a finesse team.

Where do people get tho shid? Oregons line sux and always has. You can't name two of their lineman drafted In the last five years. Totally finesse. And they get DOMINATED any time they play a team with a good D tackle or Sde. Fairley single handedly dominated their line in auburns ship. Boss took over in osu's. Oregon has never had a physical o line. Just leaner and quicker. The gimmick of the scheme with good skill position players is where the success lies. Mostly finesse.

Ohio w may spread you out.... But its still a power run game. Their the only team in college football who run a successful power run game from a spread attack. The only team.

And bama runs a 3-4. So running on them doesn't equate to power, just like we see with donofrio, you spread those big *** linebackers out and you read option the team to death.

You see what happens when you line up in pro set again bama and try to run.... You get fournette... 9 carries for 9 yards. No one is physically running through bama. Gotta spread them out or use finesse.

LMAO.

Oregon has consistently had one of the best lines in the country. Their zone blocking schemes are extremely complex and they have pumped out a ton of OL recently. What the **** are you talking about? You really think a team that consistently leads the nation in rushing is not complete with stellar OL? All these guys are recent stud OL who now ball in the NFL. They had 2 freaking first team AA last year. You clearly know nothing about football. Running a spread does not mean you run a weak offense.

Jake Fisher
Max Unger
Geoff Schwartz
Kyle Long
Hroniss Grasu

You have GOT to be kidding me with this list. Its a joke. Oregon nor the west coast is known for churning out lineman. They don't get any lineman worth noting and that list is pedestrian at best.

Soon as they play a physical east coast team they get smashed up front. Its the reason they haven won a ship the two times weve seen them there... cuz their oline sux. Youre delusional..

refrain from posting.

cant speak for all the other guys on that list but i watch kyle long every sunday and he is a physical beast and pro bowler OL and was a multi sport elite athlete in college, Grasu was also doing very well this year as a rookie before he was injured

 

[Coach Macho]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

Bullsh!t, they wanna score points and win games.

You think they'd be happier sitting on the bench? Cause that where they'd be if we ran a Pro-Style with 2 WR sets.

Right, because only 2 WR's can play on a pro-set team. The rest of them just sit on the bench the whole time and watch those 2 play the whole game. Put 4 of them on the field at the same time in a spread...fine. But they aren't going to be any happier blocking every play while getting their 2 or 3 catches per game.

If you're running a pro-style then that means more-often-than-not you're gonna have a couple stud WR's standing on the sideline while TE's and FB's are in the game.

And who says that they'd be blocking in the spread? Spread passing attacks are predicated on throwing where the best match-up is. One week your slot WR could catch 8 balls while your outside WR only catches 4. Then the following week the slot might only get 3 while your outside WR gets 9.

WR's in a spread offense don't know how many catches they're gonna get. I can assure you this much though, a 3rd string WR in the Pro-Style offense knows exactly how many catches he's gonna get every week.

We've been running the spread all season. I haven't heard about any unhappy WR's on our roster right now. Matter of fact, Coley is making himself some money by exploiting defenses from the slot position. Njoku is balling while being utilized from the H-Back/WR positon.

 

[Dynasty]

Lmao @ anyone thinking Oregon is a finesse team. You clearly don't watch them play ever. Royce Freeman run the ball a **** ton and is one of the most physical backs in the country.

Ohio State is finesse too?

The be a "power" team in today's CFB landscape you need 2 things. A big, powerful back like Derrick Henry, Fournette etc. and a monsterous OL. 2 things that SoFla doesn't produce regularly. There's no reason for Miami not to be a spread team whatsoever. It plays to the talent in our area and their strengths. Stop trying to live in 2001, the game is different.

That's the key. And when you think about it with regards to spread/option, you really need a transcendent quarterback too. Or, a professional assassin over-seeing the system (Meyer). It doesn't hurt having a home run threat at RB either.

The spread is here to stay. Satan is running it behind a big/physical OL. As a group, the play-makers are solid (Howard @TE, Ridley@WR, Henry@TB), but the success will rest on the shoulders of the OL.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

i don't mind spread elements.. but damnit if i don't like to see a 2 tight end set, or an offset I.. etc.etc.etc.. on occasion. when you're on the one yard line running a draw play.. wtf.

it doesn't have to be 3 yards and a cloud of smoke, but i don't want this BS spread where every time we need a yard we can't just man up and take it.

I agree with this. The problem with so many young spread coaches is they stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that other formations and styles are useful depending on situation. I have no idea why it's so difficult to use a hybrid of the best of both worlds, a team that can look like Michigan on some plays and Oregon on others. Stanford is trying a little bit of that this year. It's not pure spread but they have made some modifications, primarily to take advantage of Kevin Hogan's running. It saved them against Washington State when Hogan was awful throwing the ball and their base running plays were being shut down.

I loved Jim McElwain as Alabama offensive coordinator and touted him for the Canes' head job in 2010 once I saw how comfortable he was with varied styles of offense depending on field position. Once they entered the red zone he shifted seamlessly to power based football, after being more open at midfield.

The Canes had a stubborn head coach 25 years ago. I'm sure the fans from my generation will remember Dennis Erickson sticking with his one-back, three receiver offense at the goal line at Florida State in 1989, only to have the plays stuffed with Leonard Conley back there. I was going nuts. Then two years later in the original Wide Right game at Tallahassee, Erickson heading toward the same end zone finally had a fullback out there during the key late plays to give the Canes the lead.

 

[Dynasty]

i don't mind spread elements.. but damnit if i don't like to see a 2 tight end set, or an offset I.. etc.etc.etc.. on occasion. when you're on the one yard line running a draw play.. wtf.

it doesn't have to be 3 yards and a cloud of smoke, but i don't want this BS spread where every time we need a yard we can't just man up and take it.

I agree with this. The problem with so many young spread coaches is they stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that other formations and styles are useful depending on situation. I have no idea why it's so difficult to use a hybrid of the best of both worlds, a team that can look like Michigan on some plays and Oregon on others. Stanford is trying a little bit of that this year. It's not pure spread but they have made some modifications, primarily to take advantage of Kevin Hogan's running. It saved them against Washington State when Hogan was awful throwing the ball and their base running plays were being shut down.

I loved Jim McElwain as Alabama offensive coordinator and touted him for the Canes' head job in 2010 once I saw how comfortable he was with varied styles of offense depending on field position. Once they entered the red zone he shifted seamlessly to power based football, after being more open at midfield.

The Canes had a stubborn head coach 25 years ago. I'm sure the fans from my generation will remember Dennis Erickson sticking with his one-back, three receiver offense at the goal line at Florida State in 1989, only to have the plays stuffed with Leonard Conley back there. I was going nuts. Then two years later in the original Wide Right game at Tallahassee, Erickson heading toward the same end zone finally had a fullback out there during the key late plays to give the Canes the lead.

I remember when Erickson was named head coach, and some reporter interviewed Steve Walsh about the hire. Walsh stated that Erickson's offense put up inflated numbers between the 20's, and would struggle inside the 20's due to the field being reduced. You're correct about Fsu '89 and '91, even though we were playing with a back-up quarterback and turned the ball over five times in '89, iirc. And that UM defense was led a dangerous front four.

The ground game in '90 was a thing of beauty. Nothing like shoving the ball down the defense's throat for over 300 yards.

Remember the UW huskies' offense in '91? Perfect complementary offense of pro spread and pro set.

 

[sebastian91]

What homeboy fails to realize is that Miami could run the spread and have a Calvin Ridley and an Amari Cooper on the field at the same time with a Phillip Dorsett and a Stacy Coley.

That's the kind of WR talent we have down here.

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

Bullsh!t, they wanna score points and win games.

You think they'd be happier sitting on the bench? Cause that where they'd be if we ran a Pro-Style with 2 WR sets.

Right, because only 2 WR's can play on a pro-set team. The rest of them just sit on the bench the whole time and watch those 2 play the whole game. Put 4 of them on the field at the same time in a spread...fine. But they aren't going to be any happier blocking every play while getting their 2 or 3 catches per game.

If you're running a pro-style then that means more-often-than-not you're gonna have a couple stud WR's standing on the sideline while TE's and FB's are in the game.

And who says that they'd be blocking in the spread? Spread passing attacks are predicated on throwing where the best match-up is. One week your slot WR could catch 8 balls while your outside WR only catches 4. Then the following week the slot might only get 3 while your outside WR gets 9.

WR's in a spread offense don't know how many catches they're gonna get. I can assure you this much though, a 3rd string WR in the Pro-Style offense knows exactly how many catches he's gonna get every week.

We've been running the spread all season. I haven't heard about any unhappy WR's on our roster right now. Matter of fact, Coley is making himself some money by exploiting defenses from the slot position. Njoku is balling while being utilized from the H-Back/WR positon.

WR's are subbing in and out all the time in pro style offenses. I don't know what kind of high school BS you're running, but you'd better have more than 2 good WR's on your team.

OK, you're right, receivers in spread offenses don't block on WR screens or read option plays. My bad. What was I thinking?

Right again, the 3rd WR on a depth chart in a pro-set is getting 0 catches. You got me again.

The offense this season, in case you haven't noticed, isn't very good. Coley is playing better (finally), but he still has nothing upstairs. Njoku is not a WR, so he's irrelevant to your point. Waters production is way down; I bet he's not very happy. Lewis is barely on the field; I bet he's not very happy. Berrios? Bet he's not happy.

You know, sometimes you aren't very good at making arguments, but I generally like your porsts.

 

[Coach Macho]

And they'd all be bytching and moaning about how they only get 2 or 3 catches per game. Come on, man. These kids want to be the MAN, not share being the man with 4 or 5 other great receivers.

Bullsh!t, they wanna score points and win games.

You think they'd be happier sitting on the bench? Cause that where they'd be if we ran a Pro-Style with 2 WR sets.

Right, because only 2 WR's can play on a pro-set team. The rest of them just sit on the bench the whole time and watch those 2 play the whole game. Put 4 of them on the field at the same time in a spread...fine. But they aren't going to be any happier blocking every play while getting their 2 or 3 catches per game.

If you're running a pro-style then that means more-often-than-not you're gonna have a couple stud WR's standing on the sideline while TE's and FB's are in the game.

And who says that they'd be blocking in the spread? Spread passing attacks are predicated on throwing where the best match-up is. One week your slot WR could catch 8 balls while your outside WR only catches 4. Then the following week the slot might only get 3 while your outside WR gets 9.

WR's in a spread offense don't know how many catches they're gonna get. I can assure you this much though, a 3rd string WR in the Pro-Style offense knows exactly how many catches he's gonna get every week.

We've been running the spread all season. I haven't heard about any unhappy WR's on our roster right now. Matter of fact, Coley is making himself some money by exploiting defenses from the slot position. Njoku is balling while being utilized from the H-Back/WR positon.

WR's are subbing in and out all the time in pro style offenses. I don't know what kind of high school BS you're running, but you'd better have more than 2 good WR's on your team.

OK, you're right, receivers in spread offenses don't block on WR screens or read option plays. My bad. What was I thinking?

Right again, the 3rd WR on a depth chart in a pro-set is getting 0 catches. You got me again.

The offense this season, in case you haven't noticed, isn't very good. Coley is playing better (finally), but he still has nothing upstairs. Njoku is not a WR, so he's irrelevant to your point. Waters production is way down; I bet he's not very happy. Lewis is barely on the field; I bet he's not very happy. Berrios? Bet he's not happy.

You know, sometimes you aren't very good at making arguments, but I generally like your porsts.

This dude can't really be this hard-headed.

1) WR's are subbing in and out all the time? Really? Amari Cooper subbed in and out? Leonard Hankerson subbed in and out when he was here? Allen Hurns subbed in and out while he was here? Soooo, let's run an offense where we have to sub WR's in and out as opposed to one where ALL THE WR'S ARE ALREADY ON THE FIELD TOGETHER????? lol

2) If I had more than 2 good WR's on my team why in the *** would I only utilize 2 of them at a time?

3) I never said WR's don't block in the spread, genius. This was your statement..."But they aren't going to be any happier blocking every play while getting their 2 or 3 catches per game." That doesn't even make any **** sense because those same WR's would be blocking for RB's in the Pro-Style. You implied that all the extra WR's in the spread would do is block and catch a couple balls. Where the **** does that even come from? I don't see Coley blocking and catching 3 balls a game and he's a slot WR.

4) The 3rd WR in the Pro-Style gets a whole lot less catches than the 3rd WR in the spread. Guess why. CAUSE THE 3RD STRING WR IN THE SPREAD IS ALWAYS ON THE FIELD!!!!! He doesn't have to be subbed in!

5) How the *** can someone be so dumb that they would bring up Berrios and Lewis to validate their opinion in a spread/pro debate? IF THOSE KIDS AREN'T HAPPY IN THE SPREAD THEY SURE AS **** AIN'T GONNA BE HAPPY PLAYING IN THE PRO!!!! They'd never see the field.

I'm not good at making points? Holy **** dude. Are you reading your own thoughts before you press "post"? My god.

 

[sebastian91]

1. Yes, they all sub in and out. No WR is on the field every play. Run a go? Come out for a play or 2. Happens all the time, slick.
2. Sooo, pro-style offenses never run 3 or 4 WR sets? Right? They just leave the TE and FB in every **** play?
3. You don't see Coley blocking because he's not good at it. WR's in a spread block more than WR's in a pro-set. They have to.
4. You implied that the #3 would get no catches. Which is it?
5. Nope, they'd never see the field. No subbing in your pro-style offense. It's a wonder any pro-style team even has a two-deep. What do they need those guys for anyway? Only 2 of them ever play.

No, you're not, and yes, I do.