No chance Diaz and Blake are both back

[Tad Footeball]

Here's the problem with that: no elite DC will take the job for a lame-duck head coach even if you guaranteed his salary. Same with an LB coach. Cristobal is the only realistic head coach we can get that is an upgrade over Diaz.

So if you can't get him and the rest of the coaches that are interested would not be a clear upgrade, then yeah it would be worth it so just keep Diaz.

That's a definite strong point. We seem to be in the business of giving assistants guaranteed multiple year contracts though. Mayyyybe you could do that with a DC and the AD gives him a little whisper that he'd get to be interim too if they can Manny mid-season.

Trying to make next season most palatable under another year of Manny gives me a massive migraine though- even if it becomes a very likely scenario.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Is Cristobal such an upgrade over Diaz that he's worth paying over 15+ million more? Im skeptical (9 million buyout plus 7 million salary, on top of buying out Diaz). This isn't an endorsement of Diaz, just a cost-benefit analysis. Diaz is in such desperation mode that a strong AD could tell Diaz, "if you want to be here next year then you must fire Patke, hire an elite LB recruiter and then hire a DC who has complete autonomy over the defense. Money is not an obstacle. Here is a short list of DC candidates we've already prepared for you" and he would do it without question.

I see where you're going with this and it's a valid question. But in that same head space.. if Manny isn't running the defense, and we're not hiring someone that runs his version of defense, then why are we even keeping Manny? He doesn't recruit well (2021 class appears to be an obvious outlier to his other 5 years at Miami and everywhere else before that), clearly doesn't identify talent, he has yet to develop anyone picked higher than the 3rd round in the draft aside from Rousseau and Phillips. And he's only had 1 3rd round pick who he didn't recruit - the rest are 4 and lower. AND he is a terrible game day coach. We never look prepared, we play down to the competition and never up to the competition when they're better than us.

At that point he becomes a CEO that's just collecting a paycheck and doing nothing value added to the program. Bring me someone that brings something to the table. He's already failed one OC hire, 1 DC hire and then gave himself the title and proceeded to field a defense significantly worse than the one he got rid of. He over estimated his 2nd OC hire - we could have done better. I don't trust him to make another hire and actually make it right.

 

[Uncut Co Cane]

Football coach and AD both clearly suck at their jobs and take shots at each other on a weekly basis but UM won't fire either of them (publicly). Only Miami. Too many spineless idiots in charge.

One would only assume that this is eventually what gets Manny in the end as well IF he finishes the season hot. Gotta be embarrassing for a school that hates being embarrassed (except on the field) to watch your HC & AD say one week they're all aligned and now they're at each other's neck like violins

 

[Dwinstitles]

If the new AD keeps MD he needs to be fired day one.

 

[1mg of Epi]

He’s already looking for jobs.

 

[jackbenimble71]

Blake is gone as I mentioned in the other post. very powerful people are trying to keep him around probably for fundraising but he may weasel his way back into the job. if Manny keeps winning, gets to the acc champ and wins, I see him here next year with a competent AD/GM who mandates a DC and big time changes in the program and gives him more money to hire more staff/analysts

edit: let me just add.. Frenk isn't into sports but his *** sure doesn't like getting called to the carpet on national tv and in the media and making the university look bad, no matter what area it is. He has chewed Blake out several times. Then add on Blake making a fool of himself by throwing the team/Manny under the bus before the ncstate game has set Frenk off more than I have ever seen.

 

[1mg of Epi]

Could explain why Alonzo Hightower was there this past weekend

Gino and zo

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

One would only assume that this is eventually what gets Manny in the end as well IF he finishes the season hot. Gotta be embarrassing for a school that hates being embarrassed (except on the field) to watch your HC & AD say one week they're all aligned and now they're at each other's neck like violins

LOL the 'we're all aligned' thing has really taken a turn and gotten exposed more than it was before they even said anything and more than anyone thought..

Frenk: We're all aligned - but I'm going to assign 2 of my highest-level advisors to initiate change to the athletic dept and ensure things (that I just said aren't broken) get fixed
Blake: We're all aligned - but Manny better win this week or he's going to be fired and he knows that
Blake and Frenk: Spotted having a nice little cat fight argument outside their suite during the NCST game - obviously related to his comments the day prior - despite being totally aligned in their vision
Manny: We're all aligned - but Blake didn't say anything to me pre NCST before he went on his media tour and now I'm going to call him out for hurting recruiting by making those comments

Such a joke. It's legitimately a comedy tour.

 

[htownkidd]

Is Cristobal such an upgrade over Diaz that he's worth paying over 15+ million more? Im skeptical (9 million buyout plus 7 million salary, on top of buying out Diaz). This isn't an endorsement of Diaz, just a cost-benefit analysis. Diaz is in such desperation mode that a strong AD could tell Diaz, "if you want to be here next year then you must fire Patke, hire an elite LB recruiter and then hire a DC who has complete autonomy over the defense. Money is not an obstacle. Here is a short list of DC candidates we've already prepared for you" and he would do it without question.

Give up complete autonomy of his baby, the defense? I don’t agree with that. I don’t think he would let go of this scheme that he has ran and coordinated his entire career. All moot because I don’t think it will get to that point, but JMO.

 

[canes1996]

So what are we sending Herbstreit for Christmas this year? That dude helped more with the football program than any admin ever did.

 

[OldhamA]

Would people be able to stomach if we got a new AD and that bought manny a year with said AD to coach for his job?

That AD should immediately fire themselves.

 

[UMinati]

I posted that stunt he pulled before Ncsu finished Blake and actually got manny sympathy. From people inside and outside of the program.

Blake thought he finished Manny, Manny thinks he finished Blake - in reality both are done.

 

[MPCane17]

Blake is gone as I mentioned in the other post. very powerful people are trying to keep him around probably for fundraising but he may weasel his way back into the job. if Manny keeps winning, gets to the acc champ and wins, I see him here next year with a competent AD/GM who mandates a DC and big time changes in the program and gives him more money to hire more staff/analysts

This always the craziest thing to me about Miami. We need some sort of scorched earth moment in order for action to happen. If he’s gone, he should be gone. If they want to put him in another role outside of athletic dept than fine but one should have nothing to do with the other. Whose feelings are we trying to protect? Blake’s? GTFO. It’s so stupid. Everyone else handles their business in big time football and we worry about who supposedly raises money. If we have a respectable AD and program, $$$$ will flow in. **** one of the primary functions of an AD is to raise money so just because he did his job we should give him a Pat on the back and forget all the other shortcomings? My goodness I need a drink now.

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Blake is gone as I mentioned in the other post. very powerful people are trying to keep him around probably for fundraising but he may weasel his way back into the job. if Manny keeps winning, gets to the acc champ and wins, I see him here next year with a competent AD/GM who mandates a DC and big time changes in the program and gives him more money to hire more staff/analysts

Hiring a DC involves an entire staff shakeup that's going to be a disaster.

You obviously can just fire Patke and hire a DC/LB coach and then assign someone else on staff to Special teams. Then your special teams are still a disaster.

You can fire Patke and Aristide and then hire a DC/LB coach and a ST coordinator and have someone else coach Strikers (assign the position group to the LB coach or to TRob) and then you just sacrificed one of your better recruiters that you just brought in from Texas A&M and doesn't deserve to be fired. In order to hire a DC - 2 guys have to go. Patke is the obvious choice. After that your weak links are Field, Aristide, and DVD in that order. 3 of your 4 best recruiters - that all 'specialize' in recruiting south Florida.

We've shuffled through 2 OCs, 2 DCs, and soon to be 2 ST coordinators and the best hit we've got on any of those is an offense ranked in the 30s. At some point you just axe the guy that's made those hires. The rate he's gone through staff can be viewed as good - because he's making necessary changes when needed - or bad because he can't hire the right guy. He's expedited his tenure and expedited his own expectations - we've all seen enough.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Here's the problem with that: no elite DC will take the job for a lame-duck head coach even if you guaranteed his salary. Same with an LB coach. Cristobal is the only realistic head coach we can get that is an upgrade over Diaz.

So if you can't get him and the rest of the coaches that are interested would not be a clear upgrade, then yeah it would be worth it so just keep Diaz.

Assistants are nomads. There will be a mile long line for this DC job regardless of who’s coaching imo.

 

[Angry Ibis]

He tried to bring in a DC last year but that individual chose an analyst role at a different school.

Why is it so hard to believe he’d bring in a DC?

 

[OldhamA]

If we win out and Manny cleans his hands of the defense, maybe. We're not taking the next step with his defense/defensive recruiting, and I don't foresee us ever winning big with Manny, so what needs to happen eventually should happen immediately, IMO.

But if we have to cut the head off of only one snake this year, it's gotta be James.

 

[WndyCityCane]

Man it's been a lively Monday...Zo sighting thread, Hall and Jennings gone and the HC and AD fighting in the media.

Its like a bad reality show.

And we have a 3 game winning streak - two against top 20 teams. It’s bananas!

 

[MPCane17]

Hiring a DC involves an entire staff shakeup that's going to be a disaster.

You obviously can just fire Patke and hire a DC/LB coach and then assign someone else on staff to Special teams. Then your special teams are still a disaster.

You can fire Patke and Aristide and then hire a DC/LB coach and a ST coordinator and have someone else coach Strikers (assign the position group to the LB coach or to TRob) and then you just sacrificed one of your better recruiters that you just brought in from Texas A&M and doesn't deserve to be fired. In order to hire a DC - 2 guys have to go. Patke is the obvious choice. After that your weak links are Field, Aristide, and DVD in that order. 3 of your 4 best recruiters - that all 'specialize' in recruiting south Florida.

We've shuffled through 2 OCs, 2 DCs, and soon to be 2 ST coordinators and the best hit we've got on any of those is an offense ranked in the 30s. At some point you just axe the guy that's made those hires. The rate he's gone through staff can be viewed as good - because he's making necessary changes when needed - or bad because he can't hire the right guy. He's expedited his tenure and expedited his own expectations - we've all seen enough.

Exactly. Just need to rip the band aid already. Everyone should know what he is and what he will always be. He’s not magically becoming a master recruiter all of a sudden so what is his reason for staying? Defense (his baby) sucks, recruiting sucks, our assistant coach offices should have turn styles on them, and we constantly are underprepared and not motivated.

 

[Cribby]

Assistants are nomads. There will be a mile long line for this DC job regardless of who’s coaching imo.

No coach worth his salt will go work under number one a mediocre DC that has control problems , he has to be the smaetest guy in the room, and a hc coach on the hot seat.

You’ll either have to crazily over spend or take a nobody from a small school. No big name dc will risk his reputation and career on a lame suck coach. Miami knows this, that’s why it’s accg or bust for him. Keeping him around an extra year will prolong the inevitable and will kill two recruiting classes in a row versus only one.