NIL and One time transfer rule tabled

[TheOriginalCane]

I thought the State Legislature had already passed the needed NIL bill?

So you think the "State Legislature" can rule players eligible or ineligible?

The NCAA needs to take action, otherwise the players would be violating the rules, same as always. The "State Legislature" does not have the right to legislate on player eligibility. The NCAA does.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

If you had the grades you could’ve gotten another scolly at another institution that would’ve given u a scolly..and i doubt you’d have to sit out a semester

Just because you say it doesn't mean it's true. If you transfer, maybe the new school will offer you a thousand or two, but you're not getting a full-ride (or even a half-tuition), as those scholarships are reserved for attracting HS kids. The "reward" of transferring is getting in, not getting the same money you got at your last school. And let's not forget, athletes don't have to sit out of school for a semester, just one activity (and, yeah, it's a significant activity).

I don't know of a single university that offers full or half tuition academic scholarships to transfers, at least at the undergraduate level. Graduate school is different, because those "scholarships" are usually fellowships or other packages that require you to work for/assist professors in their teaching and/or research.

When you find any major university that offers a full or half tuition academic scholarship to a transfer just because you had good grades at another college, let me know. Because it will be the first time I've ever heard of it in my lifetime. And I'm not young.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

The word "tabled" has two equally valid meanings. The first meaning is to bring something up for discussion.

The second is to put something off until later.

So when this reporter says the NCAA has voted to table the vote on the NIL and one-time transfer rule, what the **** does he mean? I hate it when supposedly professional writers suck at the English language. Buddy, you have ONE job...

We're in America, moron.

 

[brcane1]

So you think the "State Legislature" can rule players eligible or ineligible?

The NCAA needs to take action, otherwise the players would be violating the rules, same as always. The "State Legislature" does not have the right to legislate on player eligibility. The NCAA does.

I was only commenting in regards to the quotes reference to the State laws, not the NCAA. That said, looking back at the article @HighSeas posted and it does use an "and / or" between NCAA and state laws. I would otherwise have agreed with you that the NCAA as a private institution should be able to not care if its legal, which makes me curious about the qualifier in the article. I'd wager since the NCAA is already involved in litigation on the subject, they'd rather not be explicitly on the wrong side anywhere, but am not sure.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I was only commenting in regards to the quotes reference to the State laws, not the NCAA. That said, looking back at the article @HighSeas posted and it does use an "and / or" between NCAA and state laws. I would otherwise have agreed with you that the NCAA as a private institution should be able to not care if its legal, which makes me curious about the qualifier in the article. I'd wager since the NCAA is already involved in litigation on the subject, they'd rather not be explicitly on the wrong side anywhere, but am not sure.

So here's the deal. The NCAA does NOT want to set its rules to comply with 50 DIFFERENT state laws. Or 25 states WITH laws and 25 states WITHOUT laws. They are already pushing back the recruiting dead period over and over and over again because some states still have campuses that cannot host official visits.

Look, I hate the NCAA. But this is one area where I have a tiny amount of sympathy for them. They want a single national standard that will be easy for them to craft their own rules to follow.

I was not being critical of your posting, I was just laughing about "state laws" and "state legislatures" (I admit, I also hate most US states, as an income tax guy). I realize why the NCAA wants a federal law, but it's also somewhat unlikely to happen at the current moment, when things like the pandemic and the stimulus bill are taking center stage, as well as cabinet nominations.

I hope the NCAA deals with transfers and ICs first, though I realize why NIL has a ticking clock associated with it.

 

[brcane1]

So here's the deal. The NCAA does NOT want to set its rules to comply with 50 DIFFERENT state laws. Or 25 states WITH laws and 25 states WITHOUT laws. They are already pushing back the recruiting dead period over and over and over again because some states still have campuses that cannot host official visits.

Look, I hate the NCAA. But this is one area where I have a tiny amount of sympathy for them. They want a single national standard that will be easy for them to craft their own rules to follow.

I was not being critical of your posting, I was just laughing about "state laws" and "state legislatures" (I admit, I also hate most US states, as an income tax guy). I realize why the NCAA wants a federal law, but it's also somewhat unlikely to happen at the current moment, when things like the pandemic and the stimulus bill are taking center stage, as well as cabinet nominations.

I hope the NCAA deals with transfers and ICs first, though I realize why NIL has a ticking clock associated with it.

I can sympathize with the regulatory burden, but issues like this one take a long time in our system by design. Right now it sort of looks like the NCAAs plan is to plead ignorance of that while waiting out the clock, which strains credulity. If the state laws start turning on with no federal standard and no NCAA guidance, I'm not going to feel bad for the lawsuits and chaos that ensue.

It definitely sucks for them, but they need to look at what's passed and lead the effort to compromise on a reasonable standard. We've managed to avoid making this partisan despite the current hyper-partisan atmosphere, but I fear that won't continue if the NCAA stays deferential.

 

[swampcougar1]

States passing laws concerning college athletes will create utter chaos. Can you imagine each county in the state of Fla passing laws governing high school athletes that differ from the high school association? Totally absurd.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

States passing laws concerning college athletes will create utter chaos. Can you imagine each county in the state of Fla passing laws governing high school athletes that differ from the high school association? Totally absurd.

That's a very good point and an excellent comparison.

 

[RightSaidFred]

We're in America, moron.

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This geek actually took the time to look it up in the dictionary all so he could have his "gotcha" moment. First, you're welcome for teaching you something you didn't know before. I said there were two meanings to the word, and you showed I was right. You're a richer man for it.

Secondly, it's used both ways in America. Because we don't live in a bubble. Otherwise I wouldn't have known about the two meanings.

He could have just said the discussion was postponed or delayed, and there wouldn't be any confusion.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This geek actually took the time to look it up in the dictionary all so he could have his "gotcha" moment. First, you're welcome for teaching you something you didn't know before. I said there were two meanings to the word, and you showed I was right. You're a richer man for it.

Secondly, it's used both ways in America. Because we don't live in a bubble. Otherwise I wouldn't have known about the two meanings.

He could have just said the discussion was postponed or delayed, and there wouldn't be any confusion.

Hilarious. I didn't have to look up anything, I already knew the answer. I just provided the graphic to prove how stupid you are.

It is not used both ways in America. It...just...isn't.

The only dope who was confused by the use of the term was YOU.

 

[RightSaidFred]

Hilarious. I didn't have to look up anything, I already knew the answer. I just provided the graphic to prove how stupid you are.

It is not used both ways in America. It...just...isn't.

The only dope who was confused by the use of the term was YOU.

Yeah, sure you knew that, bud. Whatever you say, smart guy.

Here's an idea - try this one on... America is a big country with a lot of people, not everyone speaks exactly the same. If regular people want to use "tabled" or whatever word however they want, cool with me. But if your JOB is to be a professional journalist, and your JOB is to communicate **** to a lot of people in the English language, then you should pick your words more carefully. Words are literally your job. Know them.

 

[JUSCHILLL]

Look, I hate the NCAA. But this is one area where I have a tiny amount of sympathy for them. They want a single national standard that will be easy for them to craft their own rules to follow.

This is where you lost me bro. I was with everything else but NCAA has a weird way of showing one standard, when the top tier teams are doing everything they want. They only punishing us, Ole Miss & Tennessee. Our penalties were far more severe than everyone else

 

[JD08]

Yeah, sure you knew that, bud. Whatever you say, smart guy.

Here's an idea - try this one on... America is a big country with a lot of people, not everyone speaks exactly the same. If regular people want to use "tabled" or whatever word however they want, cool with me. But if your JOB is to be a professional journalist, and your JOB is to communicate **** to a lot of people in the English language, then you should pick your words more carefully. Words are literally your job. Know them.

Please post a copy of your harshly worded letter to CBS Sports.

NCAA expected to table planned vote on name, image, likeness rights amid Supreme Court case, Senate changes

A planned loosening of transfer rules is also expected to be delayed indefinitely on Monday

www.cbssports.com

 

[RightSaidFred]

Please post a copy of your harshly worded letter to CBS Sports.

NCAA expected to table planned vote on name, image, likeness rights amid Supreme Court case, Senate changes

A planned loosening of transfer rules is also expected to be delayed indefinitely on Monday

www.cbssports.com

We should table that idea for sure.

Here's my point - people are always ragging on these high school kids because of their "cryptic tweets." And then when an educated white guy whose JOB it is to know words does the same thing and writes something cryptic, people are rushing to his defense.

It's a double-standard. It's the little things that add up.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Yeah, sure you knew that, bud. Whatever you say, smart guy.

Here's an idea - try this one on... America is a big country with a lot of people, not everyone speaks exactly the same. If regular people want to use "tabled" or whatever word however they want, cool with me. But if your JOB is to be a professional journalist, and your JOB is to communicate **** to a lot of people in the English language, then you should pick your words more carefully. Words are literally your job. Know them.

It's so funny how you can't acknowledge your ignorance or blind spots, while you try to diminish me.

You have NO IDEA who you are talking to, from an intelligence standpoint. I'm not going to go into my whole resume, but you have no clue on my vocabulary skills.

Not only that, but this is an issue that transcends mere vocabulary definitions. I have been active in many organizations which use parliamentary procedure, from student government to my fraternity to law school organizations which followed Robert's Rules of Order. So to skip over the dictionary definition (which already proves you wrong), the vast majority of Americans would learn the meaning of "tabled" from participating in meetings that follow Robert's Rules of Order.

And, again, there is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT meaning of the word "table" in US parliamentary procedure and British parliamentary procedure. This is NOT some sort of "regional American differences" nonsense. You are wrong. Just...wrong.

 

[JD08]

We should table that idea for sure.

Here's my point - people are always ragging on these high school kids because of their "cryptic tweets." And then when an educated white guy whose JOB it is to know words does the same thing and writes something cryptic, people are rushing to his defense.

It's a double-standard. It's the little things that add up.

It's not cryptic. It might be a word you're not familiar with, but the googles should be your first stop if you didn't get it from context.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This is where you lost me bro. I was with everything else but NCAA has a weird way of showing one standard, when the top tier teams are doing everything they want. They only punishing us, Ole Miss & Tennessee. Our penalties were far more severe than everyone else

No. There is a difference between having one LEGAL STANDARD related to how the rule will be worded, and having different standards of application and enforcement, which is an issue that arises out of favoritism.

The first issue is still relevant. The NCAA could spend months trying to conform its rules to 25 different state laws...and then a year from now, some random 26th state passes a different law which causes the NCAA to have to revise their rules yet again. And don't even get me started on States 27 through 50.

Favoritism, as a "selective application of the rules" issue, is, was, and will always be something to be guarded against.

 

[RightSaidFred]

It's not cryptic. It might be a word you're not familiar with, but the googles should be your first stop if you didn't get it from context.

It's ambiguous because the word means two nearly-opposite things, as I already explained. He could be saying they're taking it up for discussion now, or he could be saying that they're taking it up at a later time.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

We should table that idea for sure.

Here's my point - people are always ragging on these high school kids because of their "cryptic tweets." And then when an educated white guy whose JOB it is to know words does the same thing and writes something cryptic, people are rushing to his defense.

It's a double-standard. It's the little things that add up.

Holy ****e...how do you assume that the author IS A WHITE GUY? Are you ******* kidding me?

It's the little things about your racism that add up.

 

[RightSaidFred]

It's so funny how you can't acknowledge your ignorance or blind spots, while you try to diminish me.

You have NO IDEA who you are talking to, from an intelligence standpoint. I'm not going to go into my whole resume, but you have no clue on my vocabulary skills.

Not only that, but this is an issue that transcends mere vocabulary definitions. I have been active in many organizations which use parliamentary procedure, from student government to my fraternity to law school organizations which followed Robert's Rules of Order. So to skip over the dictionary definition (which already proves you wrong), the vast majority of Americans would learn the meaning of "tabled" from participating in meetings that follow Robert's Rules of Order.

And, again, there is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT meaning of the word "table" in US parliamentary procedure and British parliamentary procedure. This is NOT some sort of "regional American differences" nonsense. You are wrong. Just...wrong.

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You're really putting an effort in to this. How long did you spend looking this **** up just to try to look smart on an internet forum, smart guy? By the way, congratulations on being a government worker. We would be lost without all our bureaucrats.

No, the "vast majority of Americans" did NOT learn the word "tabled" from Robert's Rules of Order, because the vast majority of Americans have never heard of Robert's Rule of Order.

But in appreciation of your effort, let me match it. Roberts Rules of Order was written in 1876, according to the all-knowing google. The word "tabled" was first used in 1653, and it had the "British" definition. So your book might have added the second definition to the word, but it didn't replace the first.