Nigel Bethel, Jr. to visit Miami January 26th weekend

[ShadowSpring]

If he had another star next to his name by the recruiting services y'all would be wetting yourselves watching his tape and athleticism.

But he doesn't, and there's a reason he doesn't have that star or the high-end offers from other top programs.

People don't like hearing this, but if Miami wants to be elite (playoffs, nattys, etc) then we need to recruit like it. If you expect to go toe-to-toe with Clemson and Alabama, you can't whiff on guys like Surtain, Campbell, Jobe, and Samuel, and then think you have the luxury to turn away guys like Bookie and Grimes.

You're just not going to win a natty settling for guys like Bethel. He's decent but not elite. We need elite.

We're sitting "pretty good" right now with 14 four/five star kids signed. But nobody here wants to be "pretty good."

This part will get me some hate but really - If you want to be among the best, if you want to be a champion, that number has to end up in the 17-20 range by February.

And then we have to do it all over again in 2019.

We're good right now, but not good enough. We need a few more studs to push this class over the brink.

Who said I want to whiff on Campbell or Surtain?

Get the blue Chip kids and also some athletes with huge potential just like Bethel.

Also you apparently don't know much about the history of Miami recruiting. The U never beat the supposed big time programs nationally in recruiting rankings. 5 championships we're won based on lower rated kids from south Florida that were great athletes.

And you didn't respond to my point either. Georgia did take a 3* DB in this cycle. How is taking Bethel any different?

I'll tell ya what's different..... Bethel is a far superior athlete to the 3* kid Georgia took.

Oh I know our history, but I also know that it's not 1995 anymore. The recruiting game has changed. Scouting has gotten better, and the internet has meant that these kids don't go undiscovered anymore. Nick Saban has won 5 national championships by out-recruiting everyone else. He doesn't take projects and reaches... he fills his classes with sure things. In fact, every national champion since the BCS era has been loaded with 4/5 star recruits.

When I say we need to hit that 17-20 number, that's based on looking at what previous champions have done... it's not just a number I'm pulling out of my ***. We're so close we can taste it with this class... just gotta finish strong.

Very few kids fly under the radar anymore. Everybody knows who the best kids in South Florida are. That's the modern reality.

The fact is that if we want to be elite, we have to step up and go toe-to-toe with Alabama, Clemson, etc and WIN recruiting battles for the guys that everyone wants.

Also, I'm not saying Rashad Wildgoose is better than Bethel. But Georgia already has 18 kids signed who are 4/5 stars. That's national championship level recruiting. They can afford to take a flier on Wildgoose.

If we can get 4 more all americans signed, then I wouldn't care if we take Bethel on a flier as well. But you can't BANK YOUR FUTURE on guys like Bethel.

Look man, even DJ Ivey is a little bit of a wild card. We need some sure studs at that CB position. Especially given how loaded it is this year in South Florida - there's just so much low hanging fruit. You just can't let guys like Surtain, Campbell, Jobe, and Samuel walk out of here and then think you're just going to replace them.

That's exactly what I been saying the whole time.

Take Campbell and Bethel. Surtain too if ya can.

Point is ya take the 3* great athlete as the kid with huge upside. Bethel is not the bell cow of the DB class, he's the athlete that maybe can be an All-american down the road. I don't want to take kids that don't have All-american potential. Bethel does. He's got the athleticism needed, he just needs the coaching, and hopefully he's got the intangible too.

Kids like Bethel that are great athletes is also how you out recruit Saban. 3* Kids like this are in our backyard and become NFL pro bowl players all the time. The key is finding them.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Recruiting is not just about blue Chip players. It's also about being really good at finding kids under the radar that have the potential to be All-american type players. Butch was phenomenal at this.

Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.

 

[The Franchise]

I’m all for great QBs and great WRs transitioning to CB, but don’t give me some dude who couldn’t do anything at WR and couldn’t play CB. At some point, football becomes a game of making football plays and not just a game of good 100m track times.

Good luck finding accurate high school stats for him, but in the three Northwestern games I saw (Central and Carol City X2) he was making plays. You didn't have to look to find him.

Would love to know his actual production. It’s odd how much actual stats have gone out the window in this day of camps and non-football evaluations. Stats aren’t everything by any means, but I always like to see if a football player has made plays or just looks the part.

He had 4rec 61yds vs CC back in October
1rec 52yds & 1TD vs Central
3rec 90yds vs Norland
4rec 72yds vs CC in the playoffs

He was used primarily as a Deep ball WR to stretch the field & take the top off the Defense in a QB run first offense with Tutu.

He's a versatile athlete with good speed, good feet & hips, he's not just some bum that's a 25th hour add. He's a take imo.

For a comparison I would say he's a taller Kayvon Webster with similar speed.

Thanks for the numbers, fella.

 

[Torocane]

Would Saban accept a commitment from this guy? Could he sign up with Georgia if he wanted? Nah... those guys just come down here and grab Josh Jobe and Nadab Joseph and leave the Bethels to us.

Bottom line - I don't trust Banda and Rumph to find "under the radar guys." Say if Coach Kool wants to sign a 3-star kid, that's different. He's PROVEN that he can scout talent better than anyone in the country, so he's got my trust that the dude he signs is going to be pretty good. But Banda?

And don't think Bethel is flying under the radar either.

EVERY SCOUT FROM EVERY SCHOOL IN AMERICA has had a chance to look at Nigel Bethel. He plays at Northwestern, the most heavily recruited/scouted/watched high school in the country. College coaches crawling all over that school.

I think it's a huge red flag that nobody else wants this kid.

I don't think Bethel could sign with bama or uga but I know the majority of the DB's we just signed could.
When you say something like "Nah... those guys just come down here and grab Josh Jobe and Nadab Joseph and leave the Bethels to us."
That's basically sh1tting on the DB's we just signed...because Saban and uga came for them and left without them.
You are making it sound like Bethel is the headliner of the DB class.

 

[Meat]

Recruiting is not just about blue Chip players. It's also about being really good at finding kids under the radar that have the potential to be All-american type players. Butch was phenomenal at this.

Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.

Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor.

A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)


Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:

Number of blue chips:

1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)

compare that to...

Current College Football Rankings
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF

Obviously there's a high correlation there, with the 120 Division 1 teams.

(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)


So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.

 

[skeeter]

What were this dynamic WR’s numbers at WR? He wasn’t as good as Northwestern’s CBs, but was allegedly a top WR. What did he actually produce at that position?

I’m all for great QBs and great WRs transitioning to CB, but don’t give me some dude who couldn’t do anything at WR and couldn’t play CB. At some point, football becomes a game of making football plays and not just a game of good 100m track times.

Definitely plays on his film as a WR...And the occasional play at CB including a pick.

Highlight clips tend to always contain a few highlight plays. What were his numbers over the course of the season?

Ya but coaches look at what a kid looks like in making those plays...I.e. this kid just made a play that a Miami kid can make, looked like a Miami kid doing it, and then his size and upside? whether he caught 18 passes or 40 passes they don't care about that? Especially at wide receiver. There are a lot of kids at WR catching balls, but who looks like a major d1 doing it?

Would you agree?

 

[Canefam]

Recruiting is not just about blue Chip players. It's also about being really good at finding kids under the radar that have the potential to be All-american type players. Butch was phenomenal at this.

Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.

Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor.

A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)


Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:

Number of blue chips:

1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)

compare that to...

Current College Football Rankings
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF

Obviously there's a high correlation there, with the 120 Division 1 teams.

(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)


So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.

I'll tell you what, a South Florida 3* is like a 4* anywhere else... unless you looking at specific regions, your numbers are flawed...

 

[Sonofmiami2005]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

I look at 2019 db class not near as strong . His speed Rs proper coaching he’ll be solid .

 

[Torocane]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

I don't think we need Bethel. He would be just throw in to the class because of physical potential but far from a need.
Campbell is a NEED.

 

[337CaneNation]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

For these fans it's all about rankings.. IF this kid was a 4 star recruit, ppl would be saying he's a must get BUT he doesn't have that 4th star so ppl here look at him like he's a scrub!! BUT the crazy thing is, we see a bunch of recruits like these thru out college football year after year, turn into pro player's and the first thing we see on here "man how Miami let this kid get away".. Rumph coached Jackson for 2 seasons and the kid is talking about leaving early for the NFL "who would've imagine this 3 years ago", some ppl was expecting CMR to cut him!!

Bethel would be a stud learning under Rumph..

 

[RobCanes1905]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

For these fans it's all about rankings.. IF this kid was a 4 star recruit, ppl would be saying he's a must get BUT he doesn't have that 4th star so ppl here look at him like he's a scrub!! BUT the crazy thing is, we see a bunch of recruits like these thru out college football year after year, turn into pro player's and the first thing we see on here "man how Miami let this kid get away".. Rumph coached Jackson for 2 seasons and the kid is talking about leaving early for the NFL "who would've imagine this 3 years ago", some ppl was expecting CMR to cut him!!

Bethel would be a stud learning under Rumph..

Yeah but I think people are thinking about the fact that he was dropped by Florida. Did he not slow play his recruitment also?

 

[Sonofmiami2005]

Who cares the kid made a mistake earlier in his recruitment. No hard feelings imo sign him up if he really wants to be here. Let him put on for his city unlike surtain and Campbell who seem to be jacking around our coaches.

 

[RobCanes1905]

So you’re saying if you asked a bird out who weren’t all that because she looked good one day and she then messed you about. Only to go out with some other bloke who you can’t stand, for him then to turn her away. Then she comes running back to you and you’d still have open arms? I personally don’t mind us looking at him but I can definitely see why some have the hump over it


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[Sonofmiami2005]

I understand what you're saying I guess I'm just annoyed by Campbell and jobe situations. Campbell is starting to sour to me. He needs to be a man and let our coaches know if he's coming or not. stop jacking us around Campbell let our coaches recruit someone else if you ain't coming.

 

[Cribby]

I understand what you're saying I guess I'm just annoyed by Campbell and jobe situations. Campbell is starting to sour to me. He needs to be a man and let our coaches know if he's coming or not. stop jacking us around Campbell let our coaches recruit someone else if you ain't coming.

Campbell situation ? What situation?

 

[Canedog]

I understand what you're saying I guess I'm just annoyed by Campbell and jobe situations. Campbell is starting to sour to me. He needs to be a man and let our coaches know if he's coming or not. stop jacking us around Campbell let our coaches recruit someone else if you ain't coming.

Campbell situation ? What situation?

There ain't no cotdam Campbell situation. If a South Florida croot take him some time and look carefully at all his options, cot dam posters start to trashing da mane.

 

[Zbrod95]

We need bethel. South fl beast with speed what's not to like? Oh because his name isn't Samuel or surtain who the **** cares. Bethel is gonna ball out.

For these fans it's all about rankings.. IF this kid was a 4 star recruit, ppl would be saying he's a must get BUT he doesn't have that 4th star so ppl here look at him like he's a scrub!! BUT the crazy thing is, we see a bunch of recruits like these thru out college football year after year, turn into pro player's and the first thing we see on here "man how Miami let this kid get away".. Rumph coached Jackson for 2 seasons and the kid is talking about leaving early for the NFL "who would've imagine this 3 years ago", some ppl was expecting CMR to cut him!!

Bethel would be a stud learning under Rumph..

Yeah but I think people are thinking about the fact that he was dropped by Florida. Did he not slow play his recruitment also?

Don’t forget he already chose UF over us...

 

[The Franchise]

What were this dynamic WR’s numbers at WR? He wasn’t as good as Northwestern’s CBs, but was allegedly a top WR. What did he actually produce at that position?

I’m all for great QBs and great WRs transitioning to CB, but don’t give me some dude who couldn’t do anything at WR and couldn’t play CB. At some point, football becomes a game of making football plays and not just a game of good 100m track times.

Definitely plays on his film as a WR...And the occasional play at CB including a pick.

Highlight clips tend to always contain a few highlight plays. What were his numbers over the course of the season?

Ya but coaches look at what a kid looks like in making those plays...I.e. this kid just made a play that a Miami kid can make, looked like a Miami kid doing it, and then his size and upside? whether he caught 18 passes or 40 passes they don't care about that? Especially at wide receiver. There are a lot of kids at WR catching balls, but who looks like a major d1 doing it?

Would you agree?

I’m not into all that “trust the coaches ****.” They’ve made plenty of mistakes like any other humans.

Get the elite guys. That’s all. Go get me Campbell and Surtain and call it a day at DB. No more reaching. I’m fed up with scrambling for projects who no other big time programs want.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Recruiting is not just about blue Chip players. It's also about being really good at finding kids under the radar that have the potential to be All-american type players. Butch was phenomenal at this.

Landing the diamond in the rough that becomes a star is pivital. When ya mix those kids with the bluechip studs, that's how u win championships. That is what pushes you over the top. That's how The U has won.

Recruiting is like gambling. It's all about stacking the odds in your favor.

A five star recruit has a 74% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 23 picked out of 31 total)
A four star recruit has a 21% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 76 picked out of 354 total)
A three star recruit has a 7% chance of getting drafted to the NFL (2017 draft: 90 picked out of 1202 total)


Also, we can look at the number of blue chip player on every team's roster, and see that it matches up very well with the team's success:

Number of blue chips:

1.) Alabama (***** 18, **** 51)
2.) Ohio State (***** 7, **** 56)
3.) USC (***** 8, **** 41)
4.) Georgia (***** 11, **** 43)
5.) FSU (***** 10, **** 38)
6.) LSU (***** 4, **** 48)
7.) Michigan (***** 3, **** 46)
8.) Auburn (***** 4, **** 41)
9.) Clemson (***** 6, **** 34)
10.) Notre Dam (***** 0, **** 46)

compare that to...

Current College Football Rankings
1. Clemson
2. Oklahoma
3. Georgia
4. Alabama
5. Ohio State
6. Wisconsin
7. Auburn
8. USC
9. Penn State
10. UCF

Obviously there's a high correlation there, with the 120 Division 1 teams.

(BTW, Miami is #20 in talent with ***** 1 and **** 24, and we are #11 in the rankings)


So my point is that recruiting highly ranked guys is like stacking the deck in your favor. It's like playing with house odds. Sure, you might lose a hand here or there, but in the long run the odds always win out.

For the last time.......where have I or anyone else said we should not go after the 5* and 4* bluechip recruits?

Literally nobody has said this. Nobody has made the argument 3* players are better than 5*. Nobody has said we should take Bethel and not Campbell or Surtain.

Miami is not going to be takin all 4* and 5* players in every single class. It isn't going to happen. This means you gotta find some 3* kids under the radar that have star potential.

If your gonna take 3* kids you have to do 1 of 2 things. Either take a raw athlete that maybe plays a different spot that has a clear high ceiling due to natural athleticism. Or take a kid that maybe lacks in some measurables in some way but make great football plays over and over and over.

Bethel fits the great athlete part of this. He is a potential take.

Nowhere are there more of these 3* kids that turn into All-Americans than in SEFL. A Miami coaching staff doing it's work has a huge advantage. They can look at kids more than anyone else. Miami should be able to have a greater percentage of 3* kids becoming ballas than anyone else. If this staff can find these diamonds in the rough unlike Golden, that is also how you beat the SEC teams. That is exactly how Miami has won 5 championships. The list of Miami All-American players that came from 2* and 3* players is too freaking long to list.

For the last freaking time so you can understand it........ya still go after Campbell and Surtain.