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Agree with J. Jackson slipping in the draft. Maybe it’s me but I feel he got worse over the years with his passing rush ability. Freshman Jackson had size with good bend to get around linemen. Don’t get why he constantly tried bull rushing and never really developed any moves.
 
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Seantaylor21 said:
Agree with J. Jackson slipping in the draft. Maybe it’s me but I feel he got worse over the years with his passing rush ability. Freshman Jackson had size with good bend to get around linemen. Don’t get why he constantly tried bull rushing and never really developed any moves.
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Who said joe was slipping? All the numbers show this past season was his best as a pass rusher.
 
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Seantaylor21 said:
Agree with J. Jackson slipping in the draft. Maybe it’s me but I feel he got worse over the years with his passing rush ability. Freshman Jackson had size with good bend to get around linemen. Don’t get why he constantly tried bull rushing and never really developed any moves.
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8.5 sacks freshman 11.5 tfls
6.5 sacks sophomore 10.5 tfls
9.0 sacks junior(hurt most of the season by the way) 14.5 tfls

Yeah he got worse lol... He may not have elite traits to be a dominant pass rusher but he still gets the job done good enough and is on pace or exceeds many of the “top” edge players statistically
 
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Joe can no doubt be an 8 sack a year guy especially if teams have multiple rushers and can scheme him into favorable matchups but I do wish he had key go to edge rushing moves
 
I'm no expert but at some point these scouts need to really pop in the tape on some of our guys. Willis is a 1st round DT and there were not 3 DTs better then him this year in the NCAA. (ill give you Wilkins and Oliver. I think he was better then QWilliams)

JJax has mad crazy potential. And got better every year and every game. You are getting him on the upswing. He is a 2nd round guy to me.

MJack is a steal in the right system. Again, he has good tape. Greedy Williams got beat this year too. Is he a burner? No. But when you see him you gotta see a kid that can be a good CB in the right system. Same Jaquan. Good system and he can flourish. Just pop in the tape.

Our defense was top 10 two years in a row for a reason. And these guys had a lot to do with it.
 
Jassid82 said:
I'm no expert but at some point these scouts need to really pop in the tape on some of our guys. Willis is a 1st round DT and there were not 3 DTs better then him this year in the NCAA. (ill give you Wilkins and Oliver. I think he was better then QWilliams)

JJax has mad crazy potential. And got better every year and every game. You are getting him on the upswing. He is a 2nd round guy to me.

MJack is a steal in the right system. Again, he has good tape. Greedy Williams got beat this year too. Is he a burner? No. But when you see him you gotta see a kid that can be a good CB in the right system. Same Jaquan. Good system and he can flourish. Just pop in the tape.

Our defense was top 10 two years in a row for a reason. And these guys had a lot to do with it.
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Kudos to Willis for taking care of business and having a great year. Hope he goes late 1st round, but that will be a reach. Great year for DLs.
 
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Alien said:
I don’t trust Murray being a two sport guy. Haskins will probably be the best from this class
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Haskins has the prototype size but Murray seems to have that it factor. Would love the Dolphins to grab him but they have so many other needs. OL is a mess. Can't believe they're contemplating giving Juwan James all that money. Dude is terrible.
 
TrueFloridian said:
It depends on his combine. If he runs a 4.7 or better with a 35 or better vert it might still happen. He’s had consistent production for 3 years with 22 career sacks. He would’ve been a double digit sack guy this season if he wasn’t banged up. His measurables so far look enticing compared to Polite and Burns. It only takes one team.
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Running a 4.7 isn't going to change his issues. Running in a straight line isn't his problem.
 
brock said:
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8.5 sacks freshman 11.5 tfls
6.5 sacks sophomore 10.5 tfls
9.0 sacks junior(hurt most of the season by the way) 14.5 tfls

Yeah he got worse lol... He may not have elite traits to be a dominant pass rusher but he still gets the job done good enough and is on pace or exceeds many of the “top” edge players statistically
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IT'S COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

Why do you people reference stats when talking about how high a kid should go in the draft? The NFL doesn't care about your stats. They're trying to project you for the next level and Joe Jackson does not project well to the NFL.
 
This analysis of Jackson is spot-on.



Overview
His "bull in a china shop" playing style may not look pretty, but it has created consistent production over the last three seasons. While his NFL-ready frame and play strength are a big plus, his lack of edge speed, bend and fluidity could cap has NFL rush success. Jackson is a natural 4-3 base end, but he may have the length and frame to handle 3-4 defensive end duties.

Strengths
NFL build with broad chest and well defined arms and shoulders
Naturally powerful without even trying
Quality length to work with when he uses it
Tackle-for-loss and sack production like clockwork all three years
Holds his ground at point of attack
A lot to handle for tackles and too much for tight ends
Re-sets hands back into blocker's frame
Presses the pocket with brute force as rusher
Adequate reactive athleticism to finish once he's in the pocket
Sustains his effort throughout the rush
Built to last with plus durability

Weaknesses
Tight in his hips
Doesn't press and extend to separate
Slow to rid himself off blockers who get into him
Not very instinctive
Plays with some pad elevation
Short-stepper lacks range as a tackler
Heavy feet and lacks fluidity to play in space
Slow-twitch rusher with no go-to counters
Would benefit with better early hands to set up tackles
 
Coach Macho said:
IT'S COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

Why do you people reference stats when talking about how high a kid should go in the draft? The NFL doesn't care about your stats. They're trying to project you for the next level and Joe Jackson does not project well to the NFL.
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Where did I exactly say He should go in the draft in that passage? I was just disputing against the fact that he got worse in any facet of his game his senior year. I said He may not have elite pass rushing traits which is true but is still productive without them. And he still keeps up with other edge rushers who have elite pass rushing traits like Brian burns statistically in that category. I’ve always said Jackson should develop more moves than just his traditional bull rush but he never really did. With that being said he’s more of a power edge rusher than a quick twitch guy which is okay considering he’s a big 4-3 de at 6’4 2’8 275 which is what he measured in at the combine
 
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This WR class is the most athletically gifted in a long time.

Wide Receiver | Three Sigma Athlete

Note that the “NFL%” and “z-score” columns refer to the NFL positional averages and not to the draft positional averages. This means that a 0.0 z-score and 50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position. The average NFL player is pretty...
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A player almost broke the scale, five players over 2-sigma. 12 over 1 sigma. This is without guys like Hollywood Brown, JJ Arcega Whiteside, et al performing at the combine. Crazy.
 
BoxingRobes said:
This WR class is the most athletically gifted in a long time.

Wide Receiver | Three Sigma Athlete

Note that the “NFL%” and “z-score” columns refer to the NFL positional averages and not to the draft positional averages. This means that a 0.0 z-score and 50.0 percentile would represent a player who rates as a league-average NFL athlete at the position. The average NFL player is pretty...
3sigmaathlete.com 3sigmaathlete.com

A player almost broke the scale, five players over 2-sigma. 12 over 1 sigma. This is without guys like Hollywood Brown, JJ Arcega Whiteside, et al performing at the combine. Crazy.
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Pretty crazy metcalf tested that bad in the 3 cone and shuttle given how gifted he is
 
Coach Macho said:
Running a 4.7 isn't going to change his issues. Running in a straight line isn't his problem.
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I wouldn’t draft Joe in the 1st. That still doesn’t mean a good combine won’t get him there. It’s like the Metcalf vs Nkeal scenario. Anyone drafting Metcalf over Nkeal has no idea what they’re doing. Nkeal is a true number one WR with great hands and a ton of production his entire life. Metcalf is a combine warrior that doesn’t run routes. Yet all the buzz today is about Metcalf. Someone is going to draft the guy in the top 15 even though he shouldn’t go that high. See Darious Heyward-Bay for another example.
 
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