NFL Combine Invites

[Coach Macho]

Do you have comprehension skills or what? I have been saying this whole time that football doesn't mean **** in terms of toughness. Your average dude from detroit is going to be WAY tougher than a Miami kid, but Miami would beat them in Football. Your average kid from Chicago is a **** of a lot tougher than a Miami kid, but Miami would beat them in football.

Those kids are tougher than Miami kids BASED ON WHAT?

I gotta hear this.

 

[Coach Macho]

Keep in mind...
We're talking about toughness and how it relates to the football field...not life.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Weed dawg

Even re-reading...I know good brother Dooger didn't mean it...but yo...midwestern white boy QB is a respectful hard worker while the South Florida black kid is lazy and disrespectful.

The Mississippi State versus Pat Bethel types has some sort of undertones to it, too, that I am not sure I want to touch either.

 

[PalyCane]

Exactly. You can point out a single 5 Star bust vs. a 2 Star who became a great player. Or 1st round bust vs. a great 6th rounder Pro-Bowler.

But the when you look all players as a whole, you see both Star rankings & Draft position matter.

• 4/5 Star players work out of much higher % of the time than 2/3 Star players
• 1st/2nd round picks work out a much higher % of the time than 4th/5th round picks

Here's a chart of NFL players who started 3+ years and their draft position.

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That's a very helpful graph. As I was looking at the original 247 star rating for each of the OL who have been invited to the NFL combine, one thing that jumped out is that a "3 star" rating incorporates a very wide range of high recruits.

In 2015 the OT's ranked from #3-#33 were 4 star kids. And the kids ranked from #34-#194 were 3 star kids. Clearly there's an implied difference between a 3 star ranked #38 or #49, and a 3 star kid ranked #164 or #191. Both of those kids are ranked as 3 stars, but the higher ranked kids are closer to 4 stars, while the lower ranked 3 stars are far from that caliber of recruit.

So I appreciate you posting the graph since it in fact segregates the kids by their more precise position ranking rather than the less precise number of stars. And it is in fact interesting to see that the same probabilities hold even when analyzing recruits based on their numerical position ranking.

 

[jw410]

Even re-reading...I know good brother Dooger didn't mean it...but yo...midwestern white boy QB is a respectful hard worker while the South Florida black kid is lazy and disrespectful.

The Mississippi State versus Pat Bethel types has some sort of undertones to it, too, that I am not sure I want to touch either.

I feel you where you are coming from. I had to re-read it myself but yeah I don't think it was racist.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Keep in mind...
We're talking about toughness and how it relates to the football field...not life.

So you basically invented a word. Football tough. This word could mean whatever the inventor(coach Macho) wants it to mean. So I am sure by your invented definition Football players are very football tough. I can invent words too. I will invent Chess tough and how it pertains to chess. Chess players are the toughest guys in the world based on my definition. See how that works?

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Those kids are tougher than Miami kids BASED ON WHAT?

I gotta hear this.

LMFAO you have got to be kidding me. We can take an unbiased poll of what city has tougher kids Miami or Detroit and you will get blown out of the water. I have spent tons of time in both cities and Miami can't hold a candle to Detroit. The fact that you even think football players are tough is enough of a testament in it self. If you visited Detroit and met real tough people and started talking about how tough NFL players are you would get laughed out of the city. Go meet with some real tough dudes and you will learn what tough means. Go hang out with some special forces guys. Go hang out an elite boxing gym like wild card. Go to one of the top UFC camps. Go to O block in chicago. Go to some slums in Russia. Look at Aaron Hernandez. He made it to the NFL and was a straight ***** in prison. He turned blood the second he walked into the door and he still wasn't tough enough to make it through and committed suicide.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

You've never done.
I've done it.
I've coached lots of kids that have done it.

I've seen the process firsthand.

You don't know WTF you're talking about.
I can fall back on that as much as i want to because it's valid.
You're talking about something that you know NOTHING about.

I have seen the process as well. I may not know as many D1 or NFL players as you do, but I did grow up with a few of them and they were not tough. That is enough to prove that you don't NEED to be tough to make it to the NFL.

So by this logic you know more NFL players than me so I can't speak on the subject. BUT you clearly don't know what tough means so you can't speak on the topic either. I guess we need to defer to someone who is an NFL player AND is tough like Ray Lewis or James Harrison.

 

[Coach Macho]

So you basically invented a word. Football tough. This word could mean whatever the inventor(coach Macho) wants it to mean. So I am sure by your invented definition Football players are very football tough. I can invent words too. I will invent Chess tough and how it pertains to chess. Chess players are the toughest guys in the world based on my definition. See how that works?

Knucklehead...

WE'RE ON A FVCKIN' FOOTBALL BOARD...TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Why would be be talkin about toughness and how it relates to life struggles? That's a whole different discussion. In that case my mom is "tough" enough to play in the NFL.

We're in the business of recruiting good football players.

 

[Coach Macho]

This guy is morphing life toughness with football toughness. My God. You are on a whole different plain than what I'm even referring to.

Look bro, go have a nice Friday. Get you some pu$$y or something. I'm about to walk into a date with the fine Bahamian chick and have lost interest in this stupid debate.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

Knucklehead...

WE'RE ON A FVCKIN' FOOTBALL BOARD...TALKING ABOUT FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Why would be be talkin about toughness and how it relates to life struggles? That's a whole different discussion. In that case my mom is "tough" enough to play in the NFL.

We're in the business of recruiting good football players.

Because when people say Florida kids are soft no one is saying "Florida kids suck at football". You then pop in with "Florida kids ain't soft they have tons of NFL players". All I was saying is that you don't need to be "tough" in the traditional sense to be good at football or make the NFL. Sure if you want to water down the word tough and have it mean someone that works hard even in the heat and the cold. Someone that is willing to diet and workout and train every day. Than yah I guess you can say they are "tough", but that is not what a normal person considers tough. That is just what being a man is. Only an idiot would deny facts that Florida pumps out the most NFL players. However, being tough has nothing to do with it. That was my only point.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

This guy is morphing life toughness with football toughness. My God. You are on a whole different plain than what I'm even referring to.

Look bro, go have a nice Friday. Get you some pu$$y or something. I'm about to walk into a date with the fine Bahamian chick and have lost interest in this stupid debate.

I am not morphing anything. I was just going by the traditional term for tough.

Alright bro. Enjoy your date. Go crush that *****.

 

[RomeoJunior]

Exactly. You can point out a single 5 Star bust vs. a 2 Star who became a great player. Or 1st round bust vs. a great 6th rounder Pro-Bowler.

But the when you look all players as a whole, you see both Star rankings & Draft position matter.

• 4/5 Star players work out of much higher % of the time than 2/3 Star players
• 1st/2nd round picks work out a much higher % of the time than 4th/5th round picks

Here's a chart of NFL players who started 3+ years and their draft position.

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Correlation vs. Causation (i.e.,..."mattering"). Gotta learn the difference between the two, how outside variables (like WHO CERTAIN COACHES OFFER & RECRUIT) perhaps factor in, and go from there.

You'll then understand why this graph is utter trash.