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OriginalGatorHater said:
If you are talented enough and work hard you can make it to the NFL while being soft. That said, there is a middle ground between soft and tough. Its not like anyone who isn't tough is automatically soft.

What part of making it to the NFL do you consider "being tough". Is it waking up every morning and practicing even if you don't want to? That is work ethic not being tough.

The only "tough" part of playing football is getting up after a hard hit, playing when injured, etc. And none of that is really what I would call being tough. Anyone who isn't a straight up ***** can get up after getting hit hard or play through an injury.

I know that Florida pumps out the most NFL players. I know they have the best football athletes. I agree with you there, but when you pop into every single thread about it with "This proves that Miami players aren't soft is BS". You can be the toughest kid in the world but runa 7.0 40 and weak and never even sniff the NFL.

Then you can be soft, but run a 4.4 40 while being strong as **** and end up making the NFL.
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I don't even know where to start. SMH
Just forget it.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
If you are talented enough and work hard you can make it to the NFL while being soft. That said, there is a middle ground between soft and tough. Its not like anyone who isn't tough is automatically soft.

What part of making it to the NFL do you consider "being tough". Is it waking up every morning and practicing even if you don't want to? That is work ethic not being tough.

The only "tough" part of playing football is getting up after a hard hit, playing when injured, etc. And none of that is really what I would call being tough. Anyone who isn't a straight up ***** can get up after getting hit hard or play through an injury.

I know that Florida pumps out the most NFL players. I know they have the best football athletes. I agree with you there, but when you pop into every single thread about it with "This proves that Miami players aren't soft is BS". You can be the toughest kid in the world but runa 7.0 40 and weak and never even sniff the NFL.

Then you can be soft, but run a 4.4 40 while being strong as **** and end up making the NFL.
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Disagree somewhat, especially with the last part. The NFL has athletes that are the top 1% of the best 1% football players in the country. So, from a physical perspective, very little separates the 1%. What DOES separate is the mental part of it. THAT is what allows you to make it and stay in the pros. The physical part is a requirement but the mental part is the thing that leapfrogs others that lack the mental piece of it.
 
AUcane said:
Disagree somewhat, especially with the last part. The NFL has athletes that are the top 1% of the best 1% football players in the country. So, from a physical perspective, very little separates the 1%. What DOES separate is the mental part of it. THAT is what allows you to make it and stay in the pros. The physical part is a requirement but the mental part is the thing that leapfrogs others that lack the mental piece of it.
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The most important toughness is the mental toughness. I think.
 
PalyCane said:
Had a long flight and I was bored, so I went through the list and wrote down the original recruiting star rating for each of the OL who've been invited to the NFL combine. It's not perfect, but I figured it's about a good a metric as we have in determining the top performing college OL.

I also added up the number of available stars for each of the OC, OG and OT positions according to 247. For this I used the number of available stars for the OL three positions back in 2015 when the average 2019 combine invitee would have been a college recruit. I know some of these kids started college in 2014 and some started in 2016, but I picked 2015. (This led to the anomaly of four total 5 star OL recruits in 2015 but five 5 star recruits being invited to the combine in 2009.) While all this is not precisely correct, I think the sample size enough to provide a valuable insight.

The results:

1. In 2015 there were 336 5 star, 4 star and 3 star recruits for all of the OC, OG and OT positions. Of the 336 total, there were:

4 total 5 star OC, OG and OT recruits
58 total 4 star OC, OG and OT recruits
274 total 3 star OC, OG and OT recruits

2. In 2019 the number of recruits by star ratings who were invited to the combine are:

5 former 5 star OC, OG and OT recruits were invited to the combine, or 125% of all 5 stars
16 former 4 star OC, OG and OT recruits were invited to the combine, or 28% of all 4 stars
21 former 3 star OC, OG and OT recruits were invited to the combine, or 8% of all 3 stars

3. Conclusion:

There were slightly more 3 star kids invited to the combine (21) than 4 star kids (16), and way more than 5 star kids (5).

But we know that the rankings are a measure of the probability of college success. And in this regard the star ratings are distributed as one would expect. Specifically, if a school signs a 5 star OC, OG or OT recruit there is a 125% chance that player will have performed well enough in college to be invited to the NFL. (The 125% is an anomaly due to overlapping years of a given Jr, Sr or RS-Sr players declaring. This would be altered for the 2018 and 2020 combines.) If a school signs a 4 star OC, OG or OT recruit there is a 28% chance he'll play well enough in college to be invited to the combine. And lastly a 3 star recruit would have a 8% probability he'll be invited to the combine.

When we sign a 3 star OL there certainly is a chance he will play very well, well enough to be invited to the combine. Specifically there is an 8% chance of that happening. So for every twelve 3 star OL we sign, one player should be invited to the combine. And signing a 4 star OL certainly doesn't guarantee he will perform well enough college so as to be invited to the combine, but the odds are better at 28%. So basically a little better than one out of every four 4 star OL should play well enough to be invited to the combine. The sample size for 5 stars is so small that the results might not be meaningful year-over-year. But in 2015 there were four total 5 star OL recruits, and four years later in 2019 there are five 5 star OL invited to the combine.

So where it comes to the OL, stars seem to matter if one accepts the a combine invitation is a good proxy for college performance.

Misc: There were also six 2 stars and 6 non-rated players invited to the combine. I don't know the universe of 2 stars and non-rated players so I didn't do the same analysis, but I'd expect the probabilities are minuscule.
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Exactly. You can point out a single 5 Star bust vs. a 2 Star who became a great player. Or 1st round bust vs. a great 6th rounder Pro-Bowler.

But the when you look all players as a whole, you see both Star rankings & Draft position matter.

  • 4/5 Star players work out of much higher % of the time than 2/3 Star players
  • 1st/2nd round picks work out a much higher % of the time than 4th/5th round picks

Here's a chart of NFL players who started 3+ years and their draft position.

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Coach Macho said:
I don't even know where to start. SMH
Just forget it.
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You don't know where to start because you are straight up wrong. I like reading your football tidbits and respect your opinion as a coach, but you either have no idea what tough really means or have a very loose definition of tough. I assume you are one of those guys that goes on about how "I am so tough that I wake up at 6AM and take the bus every morning to work. That is what tough means". That is not tough. That is just being a man. I know a couple NFL players that were straight up pussies. Not every NFL player is a Ray Lewis or James Harrison.
 
AUcane said:
Disagree somewhat, especially with the last part. The NFL has athletes that are the top 1% of the best 1% football players in the country. So, from a physical perspective, very little separates the 1%. What DOES separate is the mental part of it. THAT is what allows you to make it and stay in the pros. The physical part is a requirement but the mental part is the thing that leapfrogs others that lack the mental piece of it.
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That is not really true. Look at the physical difference between guys at the combine. There is a big difference between the top performers and the lower performers that still get drafted.
 
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OriginalGatorHater said:
You don't know where to start because you are straight up wrong. I like reading your football tidbits and respect your opinion as a coach, but you either have no idea what tough really means or have a very loose definition of tough. I assume you are one of those guys that goes on about how "I am so tough that I wake up at 6AM and take the bus every morning to work. That is what tough means". That is not tough. That is just being a man. I know a couple NFL players that were straight up pussies. Not every NFL player is a Ray Lewis or James Harrison.
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You're right.
A guy who played LB at the college level and has coached a bunch of D1/NFL football players has no idea what kind of toughness it takes to play the sport at an elite level.

SMH. Jesus Christ man.
 
Just so we're clear where this discussion stands...

*You don't need to be tough to make it to the NFL
*Florida kids generally aren't tough
*Florida kids are just more talented

Am I on target?
 
Coach Macho said:
You're right.
A guy who played LB at the college level and has coached a bunch of D1/NFL football players has no idea what kind of toughness it takes to play the sport at an elite level.

SMH. Jesus Christ man.
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Yes, because you obviously don't know what tough means. If some D1 chess player came up and said chess players are the toughest people in the world and I called him out on it. Would his response of "I was a D1 Chess player, I know what sort of toughness it takes to to be a D1 Chess player". Nothing about playing football or being in the NFL makes you tough. I love football and have a ton of respect for NFL players, but it is not because they are tough.
 
Coach Macho said:
Just so we're clear where this discussion stands...

*You don't need to be tough to make it to the NFL
*Florida kids generally aren't tough
*Florida kids are just more talented

Am I on target?
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*You don't need to be tough to make it to the NFL-Yes
*Florida kids generally aren't tough-Not as tough as other states
*Florida kids are just more talented-I guess so. They have less per capita NFL players than Lousiana and Georgia so I guess they aren't more talented than those states.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Yes, because you obviously don't know what tough means. If some D1 chess player came up and said chess players are the toughest people in the world and I called him out on it. Would his response of "I was a D1 Chess player, I know what sort of toughness it takes to to be a D1 Chess player". Nothing about playing football or being in the NFL makes you tough. I love football and have a ton of respect for NFL players, but it is not because they are tough.
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That's a dumb fvckin' analogy, dude. And I shouldn't have to explain why.

There's really nothing else to say except YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. (because you're inexperienced and unqualified to give an objective opinion)

The things you have to put your body through to get to the elite level is tough.
The dedication it takes to get to that level is tough.
The sacrifices you have to make are tough.
Training at absurd hours, studying your playbook, being discipline with your diet, the weight training, running sprints in 95° heat, staying out of trouble, playing through pain, etc... All of these things combined take a certain level (and combination) of mental toughness that most people simply don't have.
And that doesn't include the actual physical aspect of the sport itself, which is a whole different animal.

The guys that are talented but not that tough DON'T MAKE IT TO THE LEAGUE. At best they get exposed in college.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
*You don't need to be tough to make it to the NFL-Yes
*Florida kids generally aren't tough-Not as tough as other states
*Florida kids are just more talented-I guess so. They have less per capita NFL players than Lousiana and Georgia so I guess they aren't more talented than those states.
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LOL @ not as tough as other states.

Yet our high school teams generally beat the **** out of out-of-state teams...despite having worse coaching and less resources.

LMAO man c'mon
 
Coach Macho said:
That's a dumb fvckin' analogy, dude. And I shouldn't have to explain why.

There's really nothing else to say except YOU DON'T KNOW WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. (because you're inexperienced and unqualified to give an objective opinion)

The things you have to put your body through to get to the elite level is tough.
The dedication it takes to get to that level is tough.
The sacrifices you have to make are tough.
Training at absurd hours, studying your playbook, being discipline with your diet, the weight training, running sprints in 95° heat, staying out of trouble, playing through pain, etc... All of these things combined take a certain level (and combination) of mental toughness that most people simply don't have.
And that doesn't include the actual physical aspect of the sport itself, which is a whole different animal.

The guys that are talented but not that tough DON'T MAKE IT TO THE LEAGUE. At best they get exposed in college.
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Just stop. you have to fall back on "you are inexperienced". That is BS. You pretty much just said that anyone that has a job is "tough" You know how many people work 80+ hours a week, stay out of trouble, etc.

If all you are saying NFL players are tougher than your average 21st century American who gets offended when you don't respect their chosen gender. Than OK. I will give you that because most people are straight up *******. But that doesn't mean they are tough. That would be like me saying I am Very strong because I can squat more than your average video game playing American.

The chess analogy isn't BS. Everyone like to think they are tough and that their sport makes them tough. I am sure you can find tons of pussies that think they are tough because they fed into the BS. Just like you are doing right now. You believe that playing in the NFL makes you tough. All that means to me is that you have never been through a real struggle or seen some real tough people.

The only sport that you can say you need to be tough for is boxing and MMA. That is it.
 
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Coach Macho said:
LOL @ not as tough as other states.

Yet our high school teams generally beat the **** out of out-of-state teams...despite having worse coaching and less resources.

LMAO man c'mon
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Do you have comprehension skills or what? I have been saying this whole time that football doesn't mean **** in terms of toughness. Your average dude from detroit is going to be WAY tougher than a Miami kid, but Miami would beat them in Football. Your average kid from Chicago is a **** of a lot tougher than a Miami kid, but Miami would beat them in football.
 
Coach Macho said:
LOL @ not as tough as other states.

Yet our high school teams generally beat the **** out of out-of-state teams...despite having worse coaching and less resources.

LMAO man c'mon
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You should be gassing up the guys for schit they deserve to be gassed up for. Good work ethic. Elite genetics. Stuff like that. What is going to be the next ********* talent you will tag them with.

"NFL players are the smartest guys in the nation"
"NFL players are the worlds greatest speakers"
"NFL players are great political minds that should be running DC"

NFL players are very talented and I respect them. You should be proud of the players you coached up, but that doesn't mean that you need to make up schit about them or pretend they are the best at everything they do.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
Just stop. you have to fall back on "you are inexperienced". That is BS. You pretty much just said that anyone that has a job is "tough" You know how many people work 80+ hours a week, stay out of trouble, etc.

If all you are saying NFL players are tougher than your average 21st century American who gets offended when you don't respect their chosen gender. Than OK. I will give you that because most people are straight up *******. But that doesn't mean they are tough. That would be like me saying I am Very strong because I can squat more than your average video game playing American.

The chess analogy isn't BS. Everyone like to think they are tough and that their sport makes them tough. I am sure you can find tons of pussies that think they are tough because they fed into the BS. Just like you are doing right now. You believe that playing in the NFL makes you tough. All that means to me is that you have never been through a real struggle or seen some real tough people.

The only sport that you can say you need to be tough for is boxing and MMA. That is it.
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You've never done.
I've done it.
I've coached lots of kids that have done it.

I've seen the process firsthand.

You don't know WTF you're talking about.
I can fall back on that as much as i want to because it's valid.
You're talking about something that you know NOTHING about.
 
OriginalGatorHater said:
You should be gassing up the guys for schit they deserve to be gassed up for. Good work ethic. Elite genetics. Stuff like that. What is going to be the next ********* talent you will tag them with.

"NFL players are the smartest guys in the nation"
"NFL players are the worlds greatest speakers"
"NFL players are great political minds that should be running DC"

NFL players are very talented and I respect them. You should be proud of the players you coached up, but that doesn't mean that you need to make up schit about them or pretend they are the best at everything they do.
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LOL. I'm not making up anything though. All I'm saying is that they're talented, hard working and tough.
 
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