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Tad Footeball

Tad Footeball

1996 Interim Big East Conference Commissioner
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....don't whine or worry about it (as some neurotic weirdos already are based on FSU's dumpster fire) and also be against a Playoff expansion that'd guarantee conference winners a place at the postseason table.

And yessss, I know- win out and we control our destiny. I'd just prefer to never actually have to have a real debate about strength of schedule (especially with the SEC cultists/Big Ten dorks and their media apologists) unless it's for one of three at-large spots in an 8 team Playoff.
 
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+1 Agreed. Plus, the Canes aren't helping themselves out by going with this scheduling philosophy of OOC as 1 Power 5, 2 Group of 5, and 1 FCS.
 
Watch us beat VT, lose to ND, beat Clemson in ACCCG and not get in.

Those who were going crazy for all of FSU's losses will be crying.
 
nystateofmind said:
Watch us beat VT, lose to ND, beat Clemson in ACCCG and not get in.

Those who were going crazy for all of FSU's losses will be crying.
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Unless we got thumped by ND badly we'd get in IMO. PAC 12 has nobody so disregard them. ND is a wildcat because their remaining games are something serious. Big 12 will come down to TCU and Oklahoma. If it our resume vs Oklahoma's resume we'd get in. ND would be a x10 better lose then Iowa State and Clemson would probably be a better win then Ohio State considering they played last year and Clemson blanked them and they're defending champs. What I could see us getting left out is for not having any style points.

Either way we would make the Orange Bowl finish with a top 5 class and with the talent and speed we'd add in the secondary and at receiver, with depth at RB we'd be nice. And hopefully some our young LBs can beat out liabilities like Smith, Perry, and even McCloud and provide real reliable depth at LB. You'd also hope guys like Hillery and Herbert become reliable contributor if not starters on the OL. Then you add on that you could potential keep both Norton and RJ while getting back Willis. 12-0.
 
ChosenOne said:
nystateofmind said:
Watch us beat VT, lose to ND, beat Clemson in ACCCG and not get in.

Those who were going crazy for all of FSU's losses will be crying.
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Unless we got thumped by ND badly we'd get in IMO. PAC 12 has nobody so disregard them. ND is a wildcat because their remaining games are something serious. Big 12 will come down to TCU and Oklahoma. If it our resume vs Oklahoma's resume we'd get in. ND would be a x10 better lose then Iowa State and Clemson would probably be a better win then Ohio State considering they played last year and Clemson blanked them and they're defending champs. What I could see us getting left out is for not having any style points.

Either way we would make the Orange Bowl finish with a top 5 class and with the talent and speed we'd add in the secondary and at receiver, with depth at RB we'd be nice. And hopefully some our young LBs can beat out liabilities like Smith, Perry, and even McCloud and provide real reliable depth at LB. You'd also hope guys like Hillery and Herbert become reliable contributor if not starters on the OL. Then you add on that you could potential keep both Norton and RJ while getting back Willis. 12-0.
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My original intent wasn't really to hypothesize about this specific season and I agree with most of what you said but I also think you're neglecting multiple scenarios where BOTH Georgia and Bama would get in.....and us getting screwed by THAT type of scenario is what I was originally ranting against.
 
I think the odds are for us and not against us.
It is more likely we get in as a 2 or 3 seed even if we have a loss.
The Big 12 and Pac 12 conferences are mediocre and will both eat each other up. I believe each champ could have a couple losses by the end of the season.
 
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Tad Footeball said:
ChosenOne said:
nystateofmind said:
Watch us beat VT, lose to ND, beat Clemson in ACCCG and not get in.

Those who were going crazy for all of FSU's losses will be crying.
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Unless we got thumped by ND badly we'd get in IMO. PAC 12 has nobody so disregard them. ND is a wildcat because their remaining games are something serious. Big 12 will come down to TCU and Oklahoma. If it our resume vs Oklahoma's resume we'd get in. ND would be a x10 better lose then Iowa State and Clemson would probably be a better win then Ohio State considering they played last year and Clemson blanked them and they're defending champs. What I could see us getting left out is for not having any style points.

Either way we would make the Orange Bowl finish with a top 5 class and with the talent and speed we'd add in the secondary and at receiver, with depth at RB we'd be nice. And hopefully some our young LBs can beat out liabilities like Smith, Perry, and even McCloud and provide real reliable depth at LB. You'd also hope guys like Hillery and Herbert become reliable contributor if not starters on the OL. Then you add on that you could potential keep both Norton and RJ while getting back Willis. 12-0.
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My original intent wasn't really to hypothesize about this specific season and I agree with most of what you said but I also think you're neglecting multiple scenarios where BOTH Georgia and Bama would get in.....and us getting screwed by THAT type of scenario is what I was originally ranting against.
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Some folks on here have very short memories and only purport to know Canes history.
 
I think Georgia loses to Auburn.
Heck they could lose to Florida and the Jackets in rivalry games for all we know.
(Although less likely)
 
8 team playoff, with the Power 5 champions getting automatic bids plus 3 at large, makes so much sense that it hurts. If only the money men who make the rules and the back room deals would see it that way.

Eventually there will be a year where there is so much chaos that change will be inevitable. Imagine a scenario where

Undefeated PSU vs undefeated (and fraudulent) Wisconsin in the B1G CG
Undefeated Alabama vs undefeated UGA in the SECCG
Undefeated Miami vs one-loss Clemson in the ACCCG
Undefeated TCU vs one-loss Okie St in the XII CG
Pac-12 = irrelevant in this scenario

Say Wisconsin guts out a win vs PSU in a close game...UGA beats Bama on a last second field goal after a terrible pass interference call gets them in field goal range...Miami ekes out a win over Clem’s son with a fourth down stop at their 15 with 10 seconds remaining...and TCU blows out Okie St for their second victory over them this year.

Unlikely? Of course...but just hear me out. In this scenario you have an undefeated Wisconsin, UGA, and TCU that will likely be 3/4 of your top 4...then who gets the fourth spot? Yeah, most likely Bama, over an undefeated Miami, over a one-loss PSU...obviously you get my point. I know this is speculation and conjecture...but in this scenario I can only imagine the lobbying the SEC faithful would be doing to get Bama in. And PSU for that matter. In a scenario where there are 4 P5 unbeatens, and a one loss non-conference champion gets in above one of those unbeatens, the system will have failed.

It’s going to take that kind of perfect storm to get the playoff people to see the light.

That’s an example for this year. Most likely things will work themselves out...but they won’t ALWAYS which an 8 team playoff takes care of.

For the canes this year...just keep winning and we’ll enjoy the ride. Whatever happens, happens, and we will either be thrilled with our ascension back to our rightful place or disgusted at the fact that we have an imperfect system. Of course, if we don’t continue to win it is all moot.

Let’s Go Canes!
 
IDGAF.... FSU can lose everything and I will be fine with it.
Canes need to keep winning, everything else takes care of itself
 
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Colombie said:
I think Georgia loses to Auburn.
Heck they could lose to Florida and the Jackets in rivalry games for all we know.
(Although less likely)
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I'm not sold on Georgia either but I'm not to the point where I think UiF beats them. That said, an awesome scenario would be UGA getting into the SECCG with at least 2 losses (preferably with one of them to GT) and then beating an undefeated Bama that everyone has already penciled into the National Championship Game.

Sure, we'd have to hear idiots claim that Georgia somehow just punched a ticket into the Playoff but I'd hope at that point that most sane people would just see the entire SEC as debased.
 
I'm in favor of expanding field to 8. Not in favor of P5 champion gets automatic bid. One only has to look at the PAC 12. Strength of schedule should definitely count. If you would take that component away, easy to see teams loading up their OOC schedules with teams like UTEP, Cincy, etc.
THere's never going to be a perfect system. Look at basketball, you have 64 teams invited and still there's controversy when some teams don't get to go to the dance
 
The way I see it Conference Champions should get automatic bids.
Why even have conferences and Conference Championship games if they are meaningless in the grand scheme of things????? Might as well have every team just go independent if that is the case.

To me it was the wrong decision to pick a team that did not even win their own Division in a Conference to represent within a Playoff. If a team wins a Conference Championship they should be rewarded for being a champion.
 
There is no way we get in with one loss.

Alabama
Penn State / Ohio State / Wisconsin (Only if undefeated)
TCU (has to go undefeated) / OU
Miami - Undefeated ACC Champ

Alabama - If they only lose 1 game
Notre Dame - If they beat Miami
UGA - If they only lose 1 game
Penn State - If the only lose 1 game
Ohio State - If the only lose 1 game
Miami - with 1 loss
 
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