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Dwinstitles said:
Yea Manny can't be the main guy on evals he hasn't been good at all. If he lets those guys free to do what they have too we will be good at linebacker and corner. If he has the final say and doesn't let them do it we fuqed. I think he hired guys that will challenge him so that leads me to believe he will let them work.
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That’s just not how evals work. Certainly they shouldn’t work that wsy. Evals isn’t every guy does his own, offers who he wants. If Manny goes with that we’ll fail fast and he should be fired. The issue isn’t do it every man for himself or manny does it all. That’s a misunderstanding.

Evals is a PROCESS, not a series of one-off decisions. At least when done right it is. The HC has to set it up and monitor it and needs instincts for it. What are our needs across the roster and by position? What are the traits we’re looking for generally and specifically at different positions by year? How will we measure//assess? What is our process for judging/scoring/monitoring and deciding? What resources do we have available to assess? Who’s looking at all the tape? What are they looking for? What other info can we get? Interviewing / talking to coaches and others who know about kids and programs? It has to be collected, brought together, discussed. The HC is going to need a process control or he won’t know what offers are even going out and we’ll wind up ****ing off every local program and looking like fools.

Sure, the position coaches are going to have a loud voice in their unit. They should. That is a given even if we have a good process. But if you think Alabama’s recruiting evals are every man for himself, do what you want, well, I highly doubt that’s true.
 
Ethnicsands said:
That’s just not how evals work. Certainly they shouldn’t work that wsy. Evals isn’t every guy does his own, offers who he wants. If Manny goes with that we’ll fail fast and he should be fired. The issue isn’t do it every man for himself or manny does it all. That’s a misunderstanding.

Evals is a PROCESS, not a series of one-off decisions. At least when done right it is. The HC has to set it up and monitor it and needs instincts for it. What are our needs across the roster and by position? What are the traits we’re looking for generally and specifically at different positions by year? How will we measure//assess? What is our process for judging/scoring/monitoring and deciding? What resources do we have available to assess? Who’s looking at all the tape? What are they looking for? What other info can we get? Interviewing / talking to coaches and others who know about kids and programs? It has to be collected, brought together, discussed. The HC is going to need a process control or he won’t know what offers are even going out and we’ll wind up ****ing off every local program and looking like fools.

Sure, the position coaches are going to have a loud voice in their unit. They should. That is a given even if we have a good process. But if you think Alabama’s recruiting evals are every man for himself, do what you want, well, I highly doubt that’s true.
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Yea he's shown he isn't good at it.....Saban is the master of evals when he leaves bama falls.
 
Dwinstitles said:
Yea he's shown he isn't good at it.....Saban is the master of evals when he leaves bama falls.
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A lot of what they do will be hard to maintain without saban because he manages it all but i suspect their process and infrastructure are solid enough to continue at a relatively high level for some time. Position coach input is probably minimized down there in recruiting because their coaches change over a lot.

Here’s how I suspect their recruiting evals work.

They have a recruiting (and roster management) function, an analytics function (with experienced coaches contributing as analysts), a player development function (including S&C), position coaches input, and overall goals and priorities from the HC. They are looking at kids together with different areas to watch out for. Development might have things it wants to look out for to avoid in recruits, and other things it wants to focus on finding. Position coaches have their perspective. Analytics and recruiting help do the digging to learn about kids and identify strengths, weaknesses and tendencies. Roster management also looks at what specific roster needs being filled are to make sure the assessments are tied to team needs not just kids in the abstract. The head coach manages this, tasks out process steps and inputs, and arbitrates the decisions.

This should all be obvious but I doubt other schools do it nearly as effectively as Alabama. One of their challenges that makes this type of approach important is they have such a big funnel because they’re a national recruiter. Which kids should they focus on? Recruiting has to build a funnel and screen it, get guidance and input, come back with initial assessments, prioritize where time and analysis is spent, etc.

What this all gets them is better needs assessment so better fit, better kid assessment so fewer mistakes, and better time management / prioritization, so higher success rate. If they’re 10% better than most in fewer mistakes, that’s 2-3 more kids a year who are contributors - 10 kids on a roster. Big difference. If they’re a bit better in assessing kid fit, that’s also 2-3 kids a year who are right vs. belonged elsewhere. Better prioritization means better recruiting success, maybe 2-3 kids per year who other programs wouldn’t reel in (all else aside). There’s some overlap but the point would work for any school - and especially Miami - to upgrade it’s roster - a few kids a year makes a big difference.
 
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aelmiami said:
I’m really hoping we can open a GA/AL pipeline with Simpson & T-Will. Just grabbing one or two dogs from those states will be huge. This is honestly the first time in a long time, I don’t feel concerned we need to fall *** backwards into good recruits.
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And SC w TRob
 
MIA42178 said:
And SC w TRob
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I hope those guys are spending the great majority of their time locally, not chasing kids around SC, GA, AL. Sure, use your relations but priority No.1 is local, and don’t spend time elsewhere until you’ve got local nailed.

we can win big without winning battles in SC, GA or AL. We cannot win big without winning battles locally.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I hope those guys are spending the great majority of their time locally, not chasing kids around SC, GA, AL. Sure, use your relations but priority No.1 is local, and don’t spend time elsewhere until you’ve got local nailed.

we can win big without winning battles in SC, GA or AL. We cannot win big without winning battles locally.
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Yep. Maybe grab a top five kid here and there out of state. But Alabama comes into FL and takes our lunch annually. We did better this year.

look at how UGA keeps their talent home annually
 
Ethnicsands said:
A lot of what they do will be hard to maintain without saban because he manages it all but i suspect their process and infrastructure are solid enough to continue at a relatively high level for some time. Position coach input is probably minimized down there in recruiting because their coaches change over a lot.

Here’s how I suspect their recruiting evals work.

They have a recruiting (and roster management) function, an analytics function (with experienced coaches contributing as analysts), a player development function (including S&C), position coaches input, and overall goals and priorities from the HC. They are looking at kids together with different areas to watch out for. Development might have things it wants to look out for to avoid in recruits, and other things it wants to focus on finding. Position coaches have their perspective. Analytics and recruiting help do the digging to learn about kids and identify strengths, weaknesses and tendencies. Roster management also looks at what specific roster needs being filled are to make sure the assessments are tied to team needs not just kids in the abstract. The head coach manages this, tasks out process steps and inputs, and arbitrates the decisions.

This should all be obvious but I doubt other schools do it nearly as effectively as Alabama. One of their challenges that makes this type of approach important is they have such a big funnel because they’re a national recruiter. Which kids should they focus on? Recruiting has to build a funnel and screen it, get guidance and input, come back with initial assessments, prioritize where time and analysis is spent, etc.

What this all gets them is better needs assessment so better fit, better kid assessment so fewer mistakes, and better time management / prioritization, so higher success rate. If they’re 10% better than most in fewer mistakes, that’s 2-3 more kids a year who are contributors - 10 kids on a roster. Big difference. If they’re a bit better in assessing kid fit, that’s also 2-3 kids a year who are right vs. belonged elsewhere. Better prioritization means better recruiting success, maybe 2-3 kids per year who other programs wouldn’t reel in (all else aside). There’s some overlap but the point would work for any school - and especially Miami - to upgrade it’s roster - a few kids a year makes a big difference.
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I think he's the head of the snake. Even some great nfl coaches and cfb HCs don't know talent at times. Cause coaches get recycled at bama and they still target savages. When his coaches leave they barely know wtf they are doing lol. We have to hope there isn't anymore take Flagg over Hyppolite anymore. Those are the evals that kill us....I have tiny hope and am excited to see the db room next year but the recruiting aspect of it is what I'm more excited about.
 
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Dwinstitles said:
I think he's the head of the snake. Even some great nfl coaches and cfb HCs don't know talent at times. Cause coaches get recycled at bama and they still target savages. When his coaches leave they barely know wtf they are doing lol. We have to hope there isn't anymore take Flagg over Hyppolite anymore. Those are the evals that kill us....I have tiny hope and am excited to see the db room next year but the recruiting aspect of it is what I'm more excited about.
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All good points but the real issue wasn’t flagg over hyppolite. Heck, flagg was a decent eval given our past issues evaluating lbs. the reall issue was why not BOTH when we have such glaring needs at LB? Iirc we chased some other kid to be the third lb in that class and lost. Flowe? We were chasing a west coast 5* we weren’t going to get when we could have had hyppolite! Think about that.

we recruit like our staff doesn’t even understand what we got on the roster! Forget their inability to evaluate Hs kids, they haven’t even evaluated their own kids well enough. Hopefully that will change and change fast. But it’s why I keep harping on processes, systems and infrastructure. And keep saying you gotta start with a serious assessment of your roster needs, not only for the next game but the next few seasons, because that’s what recruiting is about. This isht is table stakes for a good program. We’ve been running the lego disney princess version of cfb while some other schools are building real palaces.
 
Ethnicsands said:
All good points but the real issue wasn’t flagg over hyppolite. Heck, flagg was a decent eval given our past issues evaluating lbs. the reall issue was why not BOTH when we have such glaring needs at LB? Iirc we chased some other kid to be the third lb in that class and lost. Flowe? We were chasing a west coast 5* we weren’t going to get when we could have had hyppolite! Think about that.

we recruit like our staff doesn’t even understand what we got on the roster! Forget their inability to evaluate Hs kids, they haven’t even evaluated their own kids well enough. Hopefully that will change and change fast. But it’s why I keep harping on processes, systems and infrastructure. And keep saying you gotta start with a serious assessment of your roster needs, not only for the next game but the next few seasons, because that’s what recruiting is about. This isht is table stakes for a good program. We’ve been running the lego disney princess version of cfb while some other schools are building real palaces.
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I question a eval when we have multiple good posters here who know more then the staff. That's what bothers me. U always have the mouth breathers who think every commit is great then u have the realist. I want to see at least the well thought out posters to mostly say good job or never bring up another kid they shouldn't have passed on. I get when u got guys higher rates but he better be a legit higher rates. We can't lose those Carlton Davis types to fuqin Auburn. I get bama but Auburn Loserville (Tutu) and teams like that needs to stop. Can't let Lamar Jackson types walk without being properly scouted. That explosiveness and speed can't be ignored.
 
Dwinstitles said:
I question a eval when we have multiple good posters here who know more then the staff. That's what bothers me. U always have the mouth breathers who think every commit is great then u have the realist. I want to see at least the well thought out posters to mostly say good job or never bring up another kid they shouldn't have passed on. I get when u got guys higher rates but he better be a legit higher rates. We can't lose those Carlton Davis types to fuqin Auburn. I get bama but Auburn Loserville (Tutu) and teams like that needs to stop. Can't let Lamar Jackson types walk without being properly scouted. That explosiveness and speed can't be ignored.
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Yep. Ignore the yay rah rah the staff knows best guys. They ain’t been right in 20 years, and don’t even know anything. They’re just giving you emotions, not logic.

The rest of the discussions are constructive. Why do you like in a guy, what not, how do you know, what do we need, what are our chances, who should we prioritize.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Yep. Ignore the yay rah rah the staff knows best guys. They ain’t been right in 20 years, and don’t even know anything. They’re just giving you emotions, not logic.

The rest of the discussions are constructive. Why do you like in a guy, what not, how do you know, what do we need, what are our chances, who should we prioritize.
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Yea I learn to ignore those cheer leaders. Sometimes I get baited i won't lie.....we read the most outrageous slurpers posts on here at times. Hard to ignore
 
Dwinstitles said:
I question a eval when we have multiple good posters here who know more then the staff. That's what bothers me. U always have the mouth breathers who think every commit is great then u have the realist. I want to see at least the well thought out posters to mostly say good job or never bring up another kid they shouldn't have passed on. I get when u got guys higher rates but he better be a legit higher rates. We can't lose those Carlton Davis types to fuqin Auburn. I get bama but Auburn Loserville (Tutu) and teams like that needs to stop. Can't let Lamar Jackson types walk without being properly scouted. That explosiveness and speed can't be ignored.
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Happened way too much at DB over the last few years where posters bring up guys, other schools offer, and then months later here we come with an offer thinking they should commit on the spot.
 
Fans don't realize how truly ****-poof our recruiting/evaluating has been. The stuff I hear from local trainers/coaches and guys who cover HS football down here is maddening.
I look forward to seeing a major change with these new guys on the defensive side of the ball. I can't wait to meet them.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Some of you guys live in a weird fantasy world. Ray Lewis left campus a couple years before Bryant McKinnie showed up. Vernon Carey too. Any idea how big those guys are? He played in the NFL with Ogden, Pace, all sorts of really big guys. Walter Jones was at FSU when Ray played them. You might have heard of him. Jerome Bettis was drafted a few years before ray. Willie Roaf too. Marvin Jones. The idea that Ray Lewis played some different size guys is insane.
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Ray Lewis and Larry Allen played the same era. I suppose guys here also think Larry Allen couldn’t play today? He’s probably still stronger than anyone in the NFL, at age 49. Kevin Hardy got drafted over ray lewis at LB. Hardy would be a big LB today. 6’4”, 260 lbs. How’d that pick work out?

Who holds the UM record for Bench Press? Iirc it’s Kevin ***an, who played here in the ‘80s. Dan Sileo, Jerome Brown, Cortez Kennedy, Jim Burt, Leon Searcy. I guess they couldn’t play today?

Some folks here seem to think we’re supposed to be looking for Ivan Drago when we’re supposed to be looking for Rocky.
 
Coach Macho said:
Fans don't realize how truly ****-poof our recruiting/evaluating has been. The stuff I hear from local trainers/coaches and guys who cover HS football down here is maddening.
I look forward to seeing a major change with these new guys on the defensive side of the ball. I can't wait to meet them.
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Literally been saying this since 2002. So frustrating.
 
Yall arguing whether Ray Lewis could play as a freshman in today's game?

Yall must not remember Sean Spence balling at 137lbs.
 
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